Taking this conversation to a new thread. Will ask admins to move the other posts from the old thread (or delete them)
edit - the quotes below were originally made in the thread titled "She Likes It" but we were drifting on a tangent off the main topic of that original thread.
My feeling is that, when you agree to lead a group of riders, you implicitly are (at least partly) responsible for that group's well being. I do not mean that in a legal or financial sense, I mean in it in an internal, personal obligation (to myself) to not put other riders into an overtly dangerous position.
I do not like riding in groups where (knowingly or not) some of the riders goad others beyond their capabilities. And I certainly don't want to feel that I have done that to anyone. You (or anyone else) can do whatever your conscience allows you to. I'm just saying how I feel about it.
edit - the quotes below were originally made in the thread titled "She Likes It" but we were drifting on a tangent off the main topic of that original thread.
Not sure where you got the idea I am a lawyer, never mind one that chases ambulances, or how that has anything whatsoever to do with this discussion. Why is it important to characterize me or cast ad hominem aspersions? Do you think that strengthens your argument? For the record, I'm an electronic engineer by trade, and I am a libertarian at heart and believe strongly in personal responsibility. I also take my own personal responsibilities seriously.So I am responsible for everyone that rides behind me? If someone behind me piloting their own machine wrecks it is my fault and I am responsible. I am guessing you are an ambulance chaser lawyer. Again, don't want to hijack as this is a good thread.When I am leading someone else, or especially a group, in a ride, I always ride more conservatively. Always.Don't want to hijack the thread but I do not understand your comments. Can you briefly expand? Maybe a need for a new thread???I do not want to be "that guy" that makes one of his friends "go too far". I think that must be more devastating than biffing on your own.
When I am leading someone else, I feel responsible for their ride pace.
I do not want to be the guy that entices someone, anyone else, to ride beyond their capability. To me, that is irresponsible.
Yes, I realize that we always chant: ride your own ride, etc. But I also realize that this is just a load of horse poop, and that when someone ahead of you is riding fast(er) you will want to chase. If you think that doesn't happen, or you somehow think that you aren't responsible for them, then you are just being naive or delusional.
My feeling is that, when you agree to lead a group of riders, you implicitly are (at least partly) responsible for that group's well being. I do not mean that in a legal or financial sense, I mean in it in an internal, personal obligation (to myself) to not put other riders into an overtly dangerous position.
I do not like riding in groups where (knowingly or not) some of the riders goad others beyond their capabilities. And I certainly don't want to feel that I have done that to anyone. You (or anyone else) can do whatever your conscience allows you to. I'm just saying how I feel about it.
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