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Hi

I'm a new member with over 20 years of driving experience and 18 bikes in my history - never had this problem before.

I got a bunch of problems with my 06AE wobbling and shaking in the steering. I have had the problem since I bought it 1.5 years ago as new. I can't find the problem, nor can Yamaha after taking the bike in 14 times (!). Friends of mine riding behind me has told me my bike looks "funky" when going into turns - I believe them; I ride the sucker :(

I have done the below:

  • Changed steering head bearings.
  • Changed 4 set of tires in 14K miles (all front tires wore uneven and square - wobbly). - I drive mixed canyons, freeways etc with 38-40 PSI front and 36 PSI in rear. I drive mostly without a passenger and no lugage but with the two saddle bags empty.
  • No matter which suspension setting I'm in; the front will shake at 2-3000 RPM in low speed/gear (11-20 miles/hour 2-3 gear).
  • I installed the Yamaha trunk case; but gave up on riding with it in that I couldn't control the bike.
  • Forget putting a passenger on the back - the bike will barely make a turn in an intersection.
  • My suspension was checked by a racing company specialized in suspensions; naturally they believe that's where the problem is (they need to make a living too). According to them the suspension and springs are waaayyyyyyyy toooo soft from Yamaha. They test drove the bike for 120 miles and used the tires to the rim (so they obviously know how to ride a bike) and the conclusion was the above; too soft even in the hardest setting.
    It doesn't make sense to me but I am not an expert. How can a suspension/springs be too soft from a manufacturer even in it's hardest setting? - I'm 175 lbs, so, it's not like I'm weighing down the bike a lot.

    Yamaha recently claimed it's because I have a Sirius satelite radio installed (?????!). They can't explain to me why I had the problem before I installed the radio.

    Yamaha then told me it was because I shouldn't ride with my trunk case and saddle bags at the same time. Well, I tried that once but almost lost the bike on the freeway because of it rolling like a ship in high sea - although there was no wind really. Also, they forgot I got the trunk case after bitching about the steering for over 12000 miles... :glare: ... and did I mention that I keep meeting FJR owners here in California riding the same bike loaded with navs, radios, extra luggage, extra lights, side cars, trailers etc without any problem?

    Yamaha will no longer look at the problem (unless I pay for it) although they have worked on the bike on warranty 6 months past expiration of warranty (!?) However, they haven't looked at any of the following:

    Wheel bearings (I assume they would catch that when changing tires).
  • Allignment (frame/fork etc).
  • Fork oil level.
  • Suspension.
  • Front fork.

Any good advice on how to resolve an issue like this without coughing up a couple of thousands on something that doesn't work? (like me paying $376 for the labor of having Yamaha changing steering head bearings. The bearings were paid for by Yamaha under warranty 6 months after expired warranty but they refused to pay for labor???!)

Lemon law?

 
Its not the tires, its not the steering head and its not the bearings so what is left. Have you replaced the rotors? They may be defective. Maybe they are or not warped. Maybe they are out of balance themselves. Doubtful but a possiblity. When you wear down the tires have you rechecked the balance?

Once you have absolutely exhaused everything you have more than enough evidence for a lemon law replacement.

I hope you find out what it is.

 
Doubt it's the rotors for 2 reasons: 1) they're floating disks, and 2) he'd have heard it and seen tell-tale signs. My money is on a warped (not necessarily out-of-round) front wheel.

 
Wheel is perfectly round and the rotors are good too.

I'm telling you; no one kind find the d... problem; it's driving me up the wall. Yesterday I took it out for a 300 mile run only to do a crapper in my pants as I hit the freeway turns going downhill.

Doubt it's the rotors for 2 reasons: 1) they're floating disks, and 2) he'd have heard it and seen tell-tale signs. My money is on a warped (not necessarily out-of-round) front wheel.
 
Wheel is perfectly round and the rotors are good too.
I'm telling you; no one kind find the d... problem; it's driving me up the wall. Yesterday I took it out for a 300 mile run only to do a crapper in my pants as I hit the freeway turns going downhill.

Doubt it's the rotors for 2 reasons: 1) they're floating disks, and 2) he'd have heard it and seen tell-tale signs. My money is on a warped (not necessarily out-of-round) front wheel.
If the problem is as you've described above, then again I would be looking at the front wheel. A warped wheel or failed bearing (having a similar effect as a warped wheel) on one side or the other will cause exactly what you're describing. If you're not riding the bike hard - which apparently you're not given that you claim the bike to be virtually unrideable, then it's not your suspension causing these problems. (And unless someone really screwed up at the factory that day, the stock FJR fork springs are more-than-adequate for someone your weight).

 
SockMonkey; Sounds like you agree with me on the suspension/springs; shouldn't be necessary to do anything but adjustments to fit me and my weight and driving habits.

I thought that 14 times to the shop in 4 different places would allow them a fair chance to find the problem. And after 4 sets of tires you would think it would have been noticed had there been a problem with the wheel. But you might be right, so, I'll try to take a closer look at my front wheel.

Nevertheless, although it's a personal decision; what do you think about lemon law? I hate having to file suit knowing it can drag out forever and I would have to put my bike in storage. Also, I'm not the kind of filing suit guy. However, I can't afford keep posting cash into a bike if the problem is not going to get resolved. I got a quote of $1200 to change my springs and have the suspension set-up professionally to suit me. What if I cough up that money and it doesn't help jack? So far I have spend well over $2000 with no result. The bike is getting a bit expensive considering it still wobbles.

I would hate to get rid of the bike at a loss and I for sure won't sell it to some good hearted soul who has to deal with it.

 
SockMonkey; Sounds like you agree with me on the suspension/springs; shouldn't be necessary to do anything but adjustments to fit me and my weight and driving habits.
Completely agree - particularly for a bike with only 14k on the odometer.

I thought that 14 times to the shop in 4 different places would allow them a fair chance to find the problem. And after 4 sets of tires you would think it would have been noticed had there been a problem with the wheel. But you might be right, so, I'll try to take a closer look at my front wheel.
In most dealerships, the tire monkey is the least qualified to assess what is causing a tire to wear the way it is. And they're certainly not going to pull a wheel bearing to have a look. Eliminating most other possibilities as you've already done, I think your last best hope here is to have the wheel checked for warping (like a taco) and have the bearings pulled and inspected (as well as the seats). At a minimum, they'll have to replace the oil seals after this procedure, but it'll be worth it if for no other reason than peace-of-mind.

Nevertheless, although it's a personal decision; what do you think about lemon law? I hate having to file suit knowing it can drag out forever and I would have to put my bike in storage. Also, I'm not the kind of filing suit guy. However, I can't afford keep posting cash into a bike if the problem is not going to get resolved. I got a quote of $1200 to change my springs and have the suspension set-up professionally to suit me. What if I cough up that money and it doesn't help jack? So far I have spend well over $2000 with no result. The bike is getting a bit expensive considering it still wobbles.
I would hate to get rid of the bike at a loss and I for sure won't sell it to some good hearted soul who has to deal with it.
You know, sometimes you've got to do what you've got to do. If a purchase hasn't lived up to your expectations and all reasonable measures have been taken by both parties to resolve these issue to no avail, sometimes invoking the law is the only choice. I'm sure it won't be the first time Yamaha has had a lemon law action against it, and I'm sure it wouldn't be the last.

Having said that, nobody here wants to see you have to go to that extreme, and I'm sure there'll be many more people chiming in with suggestions in the coming days. The knowledge of this collective is stunning. We'd rather see you fix it and ride it than let it go...

 
Thanks buddy - I appreciate your time and feed back. !

I'll take your advice and check the wheel and bearings and then wait it out and see what other FJR owners comes up with.

 
wouldn't tire balances show something wrong with the front wheel bearings?
cadman
Not necessarily. Depends on how bad the bearing is. If there's no significant load (bike and rider weight), a bearing that's only failing (or possess some sort of imperfection) as opposed to completely failed wouldn't normally demonstrate much more than a light "dragging" as it's being rotated during balancing. It's only when the bearing is loaded up that you would really notice a problem.

A completely failed bearing on the other hand will drag and exhibit some wobble on a balancer. Some techs would say, "Hmmmm...", while others might say, "ah, screw it", and just complete the job because they've got another dozen tire to mount backed-up behind them.

 
I see you're in Ca.

Here's some people you may want to visit. I'm sure you could swap rides and you just might get the help you seek.Clicky

Good luck.

 
Thanks for link Capt. Bob. I'll see if those guys will let me in (it might help that I'm an Executive Chef and can cook their lunch :)

As for the tires goes: my first three sets they were all Roadtecs (like the ones mounted when I bought the bike). I changed to Bridgestone BT0160 recently to see if I just had a bad choice of tires (although the first set of Roadtecs were on it from new).

I gotta say the BT016 has a great grip but seem to wear just like the Roadtecs - wobbly and square.

I have changed front and back everytime I made a tire change.

 
Thanks for link Capt. Bob. I'll see if those guys will let me in (it might help that I'm an Executive Chef and can cook their lunch :)
Heck with that! For a good lunch I'll ride down to Burbank and help you out myself!! :lol:

You got some great products up in Oregon; bring down some of the organics and salmon and I'll fire up the BBQ. We are still at 90F down here, so maybe we should skip the tecs and head to the beach :yahoo:

 
Thanks for link Capt. Bob. I'll see if those guys will let me in (it might help that I'm an Executive Chef and can cook their lunch :)
As for the tires goes: my first three sets they were all Roadtecs (like the ones mounted when I bought the bike). I changed to Bridgestone BT0160 recently to see if I just had a bad choice of tires (although the first set of Roadtecs were on it from new).

I gotta say the BT016 has a great grip but seem to wear just like the Roadtecs - wobbly and square.

I have changed front and back everytime I made a tire change.
My pleasure.

You know, if you make them something really great (and healthy :unsure: ) they just might swap your front rim/tire combo with theirs. That would let you see if the problem was the wheel.

 
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