HotRodZilla
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Howie...Come on man; don't let the technology scare you. I bet you and RJ are still using rotary phones and driving cars without airbags "Because they might be heavier." Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.....
My new 09 goes, stops, and turns as good or better than my 04.
It's got the same motor as a Gen I, but LOTS more weight, plus HIGHER gearing, so it can't "goes" as good or better than an 04. It does have the same motor, but they are now using newer tools to make the motors, which means ours are better. The computers and robots they use for automated welding and assembly build to better tolerances, so again, GenII = better.
The aforementioned weight will make it stop longer than an 04 and the linked brakes prevent 1/4 of the braking power on the front from working, so they're only there as a selling point, or to help a hamfisted (or -footed) rider from screwin' up, so the "stops" is also invalid. The GenIIs do stop better because they have larger rotors. Look at Iggy's (Sorry to bring you into this man, but Howie made me do it) comarison matrix that shows the earlier older, more ancient models with little teeny tiny brake rotors. You know...The ones everyone has to replace with Galfers just to get the bike to stop. The linked brakes do not reduce braking power by 1/4, they efficiently re-distribute the braking power for safer, more effective stops.
And since the bike uses the same size wheels and tires as a Gen I, they're out of the equation, so again the added weight, PLUS the longer wheelbase of a Gen II keeps it from turning as good or better..... Howie, Howie, Howie...Everyone knows a longer wheelbase does not necessarily result in a bike that turns any less better. That is controlled by trail/rake. MY Gen II turns just fine. Maybe you Gen I guys should attend an MSF course to help you with that. What extending the swingarm and elongating the wheel base did was add to the comfortable 'touring' part of the "sport-tourer" equation. If you want a short wheel base and blazing fast turns, you'll have to get a full on sport-bike, but be careful...Those are kind of new-fangled too.
It runs cooler
I guess you mean "the rider is cooler" since I bet the motor runs the same temp, either generation. Accuracy is everything!
Not having spent a Central Florida summer hossin' around a Gen II, I can't argue on that point, but owning an 04 that doesn't have a heat problem, I'd have to say the "issue" is a tempest in a tea pot. But I'll give you this one, just 'cause I'm feelin' generous. You may have 'ol Dave on this point, but 99% of GenII owners do not gripe about the heat, where over 50% of GenI owners do complain about the heat. Technically, Dave was incorret, but it's semantics, and you know what he meant. You are just trying to rationalize your misjudgements.
the instruments are nicer (the goofy ***** lights on the 04 were a constant source of irritation for me)
Pure opinion. Let's see you switch your instruments from MPH to KPH. And how about those really easy-to-read numerals on the speedo and tach!! Sorry...Those instruments ARE nicer. It's not just opinion, I saw it in the internet, so it must be true. AND, if you are having trouble seeing any of the numbers, that's probably an age thing. You're getting old...Just like your bike.
the brakes are better
Explain to me how? The linky thingy keeps 1/4th of the front brakes from working from the brake lever on the bar, so that's out, and the "improved ABS" that Yamaha advertises for late model Gen IIs is simply more marketing-speak. The only time ABS comes in to play is emergency situations, so any "improvement" isn't going to be something that manifests itself in day-to-day normal riding. As already explained, linked braking redistributes power. It does not reduce it. Besides, even if it did reduce power, the larger rotors and better mechanical parts increast the power more than any reduction. The ABS is FREE. We should never plan on a ride being normal. What happens if you have to grab the brakes on an imperfect surface? You lose traction and eat the big one. Us GenII owners have ABS brakes that will kick in, help us maintain traction and braking, bringing us to a safe upright stop. Ain't technology great?
ergonomics are more easily adjustable
You finally get one!!! :yahoo: I guess Helibar is goin' outta business now! He didn't say Helibar was going out of business, he said the ergonomics are more easliy adjustable. Just like you guys say, "Oh...Our bikes are lighter." Just because they are only lighter by a few pounds does not mean they are not lighter. A fact is a fact.
the stock screen is better
How? It's more scratch resistant? That's a great reason to buy a slower, heavier bike. What does the weight of the bike have to do with the windshield? We have better brackets and adjustment. That's just the way it is. You guys are sore losers. Have you and your bike taken your Geritol?
and the lower gearing is better on the highway.
I bet you're one of those "I want a 6th gear" guys, aren't ya? :glare: Ok...I'm with Howie here. WTF were you talking about Dave? Wider ratio gearing actually breaks the GenIs' back. All the GenI guys like to brag about how their bike is faster than the GenIIs. That is simply not the truth. GenI's may be ever so slightly quicker, but with better gear ratios, every one knows the GenIIs are in fact faster.
And I don't see how anyone can argue with the simple fact that an 09 is by far the best looking year, plus the black wheels hide the brake dust.
More opinion, not fact. And that only proves two things:
1 - You like black, and
2 - You're too lazy to wash your wheels
What's not to love?
How about the extra weight and reduced performance? Well, we've already talked about this. The extra weight and reduced performance are minimal, but we have the brakes to riegn that all in, the alternators to power it all up, and the balls that are not over-cooked, but pleaseantly warm to help us enjoy the ride.
Last, but not least.....
Any of you Gen1 lovers want to buy my 04? https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=126349
From your own ad --
So, a Gen I ain't so bad, hun? And then there's
How about a little truth-in-advertising?
My work here is done.
Here we go again making mountians out of mole-hills. Dave never said his '04 was bad. In fact, I bet he thinks it is a great bike. He just thinks his '09 is better. So see...We all have awesome bikes. You don't have to be jealous that ours are better models...That just happens as things progress
Oh...AND Howie...One last thing:
My new 09 goes, stops, and turns as good or better than my 04.
It's got the same motor as a Gen I, but LOTS more weight, plus HIGHER gearing, so it can't "goes" as good or better than an 04. It does have the same motor, but they are now using newer tools to make the motors, which means ours are better. The computers and robots they use for automated welding and assembly build to better tolerances, so again, GenII = better.
The aforementioned weight will make it stop longer than an 04 and the linked brakes prevent 1/4 of the braking power on the front from working, so they're only there as a selling point, or to help a hamfisted (or -footed) rider from screwin' up, so the "stops" is also invalid. The GenIIs do stop better because they have larger rotors. Look at Iggy's (Sorry to bring you into this man, but Howie made me do it) comarison matrix that shows the earlier older, more ancient models with little teeny tiny brake rotors. You know...The ones everyone has to replace with Galfers just to get the bike to stop. The linked brakes do not reduce braking power by 1/4, they efficiently re-distribute the braking power for safer, more effective stops.
And since the bike uses the same size wheels and tires as a Gen I, they're out of the equation, so again the added weight, PLUS the longer wheelbase of a Gen II keeps it from turning as good or better..... Howie, Howie, Howie...Everyone knows a longer wheelbase does not necessarily result in a bike that turns any less better. That is controlled by trail/rake. MY Gen II turns just fine. Maybe you Gen I guys should attend an MSF course to help you with that. What extending the swingarm and elongating the wheel base did was add to the comfortable 'touring' part of the "sport-tourer" equation. If you want a short wheel base and blazing fast turns, you'll have to get a full on sport-bike, but be careful...Those are kind of new-fangled too.
It runs cooler
I guess you mean "the rider is cooler" since I bet the motor runs the same temp, either generation. Accuracy is everything!
Not having spent a Central Florida summer hossin' around a Gen II, I can't argue on that point, but owning an 04 that doesn't have a heat problem, I'd have to say the "issue" is a tempest in a tea pot. But I'll give you this one, just 'cause I'm feelin' generous. You may have 'ol Dave on this point, but 99% of GenII owners do not gripe about the heat, where over 50% of GenI owners do complain about the heat. Technically, Dave was incorret, but it's semantics, and you know what he meant. You are just trying to rationalize your misjudgements.
the instruments are nicer (the goofy ***** lights on the 04 were a constant source of irritation for me)
Pure opinion. Let's see you switch your instruments from MPH to KPH. And how about those really easy-to-read numerals on the speedo and tach!! Sorry...Those instruments ARE nicer. It's not just opinion, I saw it in the internet, so it must be true. AND, if you are having trouble seeing any of the numbers, that's probably an age thing. You're getting old...Just like your bike.
the brakes are better
Explain to me how? The linky thingy keeps 1/4th of the front brakes from working from the brake lever on the bar, so that's out, and the "improved ABS" that Yamaha advertises for late model Gen IIs is simply more marketing-speak. The only time ABS comes in to play is emergency situations, so any "improvement" isn't going to be something that manifests itself in day-to-day normal riding. As already explained, linked braking redistributes power. It does not reduce it. Besides, even if it did reduce power, the larger rotors and better mechanical parts increast the power more than any reduction. The ABS is FREE. We should never plan on a ride being normal. What happens if you have to grab the brakes on an imperfect surface? You lose traction and eat the big one. Us GenII owners have ABS brakes that will kick in, help us maintain traction and braking, bringing us to a safe upright stop. Ain't technology great?
ergonomics are more easily adjustable
You finally get one!!! :yahoo: I guess Helibar is goin' outta business now! He didn't say Helibar was going out of business, he said the ergonomics are more easliy adjustable. Just like you guys say, "Oh...Our bikes are lighter." Just because they are only lighter by a few pounds does not mean they are not lighter. A fact is a fact.
the stock screen is better
How? It's more scratch resistant? That's a great reason to buy a slower, heavier bike. What does the weight of the bike have to do with the windshield? We have better brackets and adjustment. That's just the way it is. You guys are sore losers. Have you and your bike taken your Geritol?
and the lower gearing is better on the highway.
I bet you're one of those "I want a 6th gear" guys, aren't ya? :glare: Ok...I'm with Howie here. WTF were you talking about Dave? Wider ratio gearing actually breaks the GenIs' back. All the GenI guys like to brag about how their bike is faster than the GenIIs. That is simply not the truth. GenI's may be ever so slightly quicker, but with better gear ratios, every one knows the GenIIs are in fact faster.
And I don't see how anyone can argue with the simple fact that an 09 is by far the best looking year, plus the black wheels hide the brake dust.
More opinion, not fact. And that only proves two things:
1 - You like black, and
2 - You're too lazy to wash your wheels
What's not to love?
How about the extra weight and reduced performance? Well, we've already talked about this. The extra weight and reduced performance are minimal, but we have the brakes to riegn that all in, the alternators to power it all up, and the balls that are not over-cooked, but pleaseantly warm to help us enjoy the ride.
Last, but not least.....
Any of you Gen1 lovers want to buy my 04? https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=126349
From your own ad --
great bike. Fast, comfortable.
So, a Gen I ain't so bad, hun? And then there's
It could use a new front tire, and the front brake pads are done.
How about a little truth-in-advertising?
For sale, one crappy, POS 2004 FJR1300. I've been hamfisted enough to drop this overweight beast, which weighs LESS than its replacement, resulting in a few scratches and a ding in the tank. Plus I've been riding around with a worn-out front tire and worn-out brakes, so it doesn't handle and stop as well as an "Adult-owned, well-maintained" motorcycle should.
My work here is done.
Here we go again making mountians out of mole-hills. Dave never said his '04 was bad. In fact, I bet he thinks it is a great bike. He just thinks his '09 is better. So see...We all have awesome bikes. You don't have to be jealous that ours are better models...That just happens as things progress
Oh...AND Howie...One last thing: