`06 FJR Problems already?!

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Fer kryst sakes...whats with the lack of quality control. Is it possible that Mother Yamaha lacks integrity after all? Lord save us !!

"So I would say your statement:

...is a bit over the top and premature." .....Oh yeah, I forot to mention: There are reports of ABS problems as well ! I stand by my assertions...it all amounts to piss poor quality control and a lack of proper bench and road testing ! :assasin:

 

[Windjammer]

Let's keep in mind that people with bike problems tend to search up these forums as a place to vent and seek advice. At least that's how I got here.

I'm not brand loyal, and this is the first Yamaha I've bought in over 20 years of riding. But I'm not ready to say that there's a big problem at Yammi with quality control, assembly, or integrity on the '06, just because of a few complaints on an internet forum.

The tick on the '05 and older bikes is an example of this. While it's very well documented here, the problem really only affects a really small percentage of bikes. Accourse, that makes it no better for those who suffer from any defect related issue, especially when the dealer can't or won't help.

Seems true that a few '06 bikes have problems - not uncommon when a major design revision has taken place.

 

[Feejer/Weejer man]

The ticking problem is bigger than people think. All tickers are not registered forum members. Yamaha isn't going to tell you this. I read a post of a Yamaha rep who tried to tell the guy there were only 18 tickers nationwide. There were more than that this year in the Bay area. Plus as the miles are put on, there are more emerging. Some now with 20,000 plus miles. People that post here are asking for advice on how to get their bike fixed. Unless you have a ticker you won't know what it feels like to invest in the bike not to count many of thousands in accessories for a bike that may never be fixed for the exhaust valve problem. So who is at fault? Sure ain't the buyer. Many have sold after the tick has been repaired.

 

[madmike2]

I can`t believe what I am reading already. There are reports of unusual valve train noises coming from the early `06 owners

I think one should wait until we have a confirmed "ticker". For owners buying thieir first Yamaha, the louder than normal timingchain/valve train noise (from Genesis engines and their brethren--like the FJR engine) might "seem" or "sound" like a tick, but the confirmed tick is of a different variety. And as Skooter has already suggested, 600 miles is a very short time span for the tick to come to light since most are suggested @ multiple thousands of miles and confirmed @ 15K+ miles.

And the "instant MPG" issue seems to have faded once there were more miles put on the new bikes, exactly what Highlander suggested to the first post on the subject. Is this covered in the '06 owners manual (that I'm sure everyone reads before operating their new motorcycle)?

 

[Groo]

madmike... where did you see the instant MPG issue has faded away? I saw a post in the last day or so that stated Yamaha has acknowledged it's a programming issue.... :eh:

 

[shuswaper]

I can`t believe what I am reading already. There are reports of unusual valve train noises coming from the early `06 owners

I think one should wait until we have a confirmed "ticker". For owners buying thieir first Yamaha, the louder than normal timingchain/valve train noise (from Genesis engines and their brethren--like the FJR engine) might "seem" or "sound" like a tick, but the confirmed tick is of a different variety. And as Skooter has already suggested, 600 miles is a very short time span for the tick to come to light since most are suggested @ multiple thousands of miles and confirmed @ 15K+ miles.

And the "instant MPG" issue seems to have faded once there were more miles put on the new bikes, exactly what Highlander suggested to the first post on the subject. Is this covered in the '06 owners manual (that I'm sure everyone reads before operating their new motorcycle)?

...would somebody give this guy a dose of reality, please. :assasin:

 

[twowheelnut]

And the plastic is melting, too! Really! I read it on the internet!

 

[madmike2]

madmike... where did you see the instant MPG issue has faded away?  I saw a post in the last day or so that stated Yamaha has acknowledged it's a programming issue....  :eh:

Sorry! I've been working and not keeping up, so I spoke out of turn. I did go and search and found you are correct, sir.

So, rather than ignoring the problem they are working on it and plan to repair the affected bikes. With all of the quality control issues I'd imagine there will be a few '06s for sale.....cheap. The ZX-14 is looking better and better. :bigeyes:

 

[v65]

What windjammer said. For how many of the products that you own have you spent as much time reading as you have for the FJR? There have been a couple of problems reported, but we have yet to hear what the solutions are. If you look at sights for other bikes they all have some problems, the problem with the internet is that now you hear about them a lot more. Personally I want to hear more information before I get to upset - of course I am hoping my '06 will be in next week so trying to keep calm is good for the sanity.

About the motor changes, there have been several which it is time you knew about. The most important, and the real reason for the longer swingarm is a small reservoir inside the engine. This reservoir holds a small amount of nitrous oxide that is built as a byproduct of the normal engine processes. It takes awhile for the process to get started, normally about 5000 miles, so the new owners will not have noticed it yet. When they do, watch out! The nitrous is automatically released on wide open throttle. Do not attempt to locate this system in the engine, when exposed to oxygen it disintegrates, only trained mechanics with special equipment can service these! Boy are the owners of the pre-'06's in for a big surprise!

 

[tripletango]

Sounds like a Honda dealer started this thread!!! Sounds like bullshit to me!

 

[FJR-Richie]

Sounds like a Honda dealer started this thread!!!  Sounds like bullshit to me!

... or the mocking tone could indicate a severe case of PE!!!

 

[tripletango]

Sounds like a Honda dealer started this thread!!!  Sounds like bullshit to me!

... or the mocking tone could indicate a severe case of PE!!!

My 05 has been very reliable. No real problems. I think Yamaha has responded very well to all the reported problems.

All those who had a ticker and I don't know how many there were in total (not many!) had the problem fixed for free.

I have faith in Yamaha and have, as a consequence of their reaction to improving the breed, ordered an 06.

 

[Feejer/Weejer man]

All those who had a ticker and I don't know how many there were in total (not many!) had the problem fixed for free.

If you don't know then why did you say not many. There are more than you think or know. With the registered number of forum members, there are 3-4 times that number of bikes sold. Just in my area there were plenty, IIRC four were on their second fix with in a year. Hope yours doesn't start after you get more miles on Because it is happening.

Plus if you get one, like I, is the current fix going to stop the problem or after Yamaha fixes them once or they going to continue to fix them years down the road. And if they don't how are you going to sell the bike in good faith if you know it can't be fixed.

So I guess its not a problem to you if you don't have one but it exists, big time. And Yamaha ain't buying them back.

 

[mindtrip]

So, rather than ignoring the problem they are working on it and plan to repair the affected bikes. With all of the quality control issues I'd imagine there will be a few '06s for sale.....cheap.  The ZX-14 is looking better and better.

Wow, this sounds like a bunch of hyper-reactive, dramatic crap. Every production is going to have a few bikes with problems--it's statistically unavoidable. The Instant MPG problem was a snafu, but not a big one. My GF has one of these on her car, and it's pretty much useless, as you just pay attention to the AVG mpg anyway. I just want mine fixed because, well, it's on the bike I just put down a wad of cash for, so it should work right Beyond that, I have not yet heard of any reports of problems common to the '06 model, only anecdotes of an isolated problem here or there. Good god, wait for the data! It's too early to know anything now, and anecdotes are not useful. Sure, we've all heard stories of this or that old fart that drank a fifth of whiskey and smoked a carton of cigs every day and lived to 103, but statistically smoking and drinking are associated with shorter life spans. Wait for the evidence.

 

[Ramblin Man]

The refusal of some people to recognize the "tick" as a real problem simply amazes me. :agent:

Sure Yamaha is fixing the bikes for free, NOW. Get a hold of some of the second hand purcahsers of 01 and 02 models in Europe and Australia and listen to their stories.

There was plenty of us leading the way through the tretcherous waters of DeNial to ensure that those that came after wouldn't have to swim those waters.

And its never been about the number of tickers, percentage of tickers or where in the world the tickers ended up. It was about hassle you had to go through to get your problem even looked at and considered more than just noise. It was about "we the consumer" having to be the ones forcing the dealer to find out about a problem that was documented by Yamaha Australia in 2002 but burried by every other branch.

There has been way more that has gone on behind the scenes concerning the tick than many of you will ever know. If reports of 06 tickers are true then it hasn't really helped, but at least if you can find a dealer you trust you will be able to go in and he will know what the problem is and you won't get the line "they all sound like that".

 

[madmike2]

So, rather than ignoring the problem they are working on it and plan to repair the affected bikes. With all of the quality control issues I'd imagine there will be a few '06s for sale.....cheap.  The ZX-14 is looking better and better.

Wow, this sounds like a bunch of hyper-reactive, dramatic crap. Every production is going to have a few bikes with problems--it's statistically unavoidable. The Instant MPG problem was a snafu, but not a big one. My GF has one of these on her car, and it's pretty much useless, as you just pay attention to the AVG mpg anyway. I just want mine fixed because, well, it's on the bike I just put down a wad of cash for, so it should work right Beyond that, I have not yet heard of any reports of problems common to the '06 model, only anecdotes of an isolated problem here or there. Good god, wait for the data! It's too early to know anything now, and anecdotes are not useful. Sure, we've all heard stories of this or that old fart that drank a fifth of whiskey and smoked a carton of cigs every day and lived to 103, but statistically smoking and drinking are associated with shorter life spans. Wait for the evidence.

I er, uhm, forgot the smiley....those statements were meant with "tongue firmly implanted in cheek"...it just doesn't type and read all that well. BTW, I'm on my 2nd FJR, the '04 having committed suicide while missing an errant cruiser rider on Hwy 49 in CA, now replaced by an '05. The '04 was a non-ticker, the '05 is a ticker waiting to become more severe before repair (the dealer will be listening within the next month).

You newer members haven't yet figured out that some of us just like to "stir the mud".

 

[tripletango]

You guys are right if you had a ticker it was a problem, I am sorry. Refered to actual tickers as a percentage of bikes sold. There are 1800 members in this forum, the vast majority have had no serious problems with their bikes However just try to get parts for a Moto Guzzi. That will have you pulling out your hair. Bikes off the road for months at a time.

Re the 06, the response by Yamaha has been to fix the biggest design flaw of the bike and that is heat. That is why I am getting rid of my 05 and is the only reason.

 

[tripletango]

What windjammer said. For how many of the products that you own have you spent as much time reading as you have for the FJR? There have been a couple of problems reported, but we have yet to hear what the solutions are. If you look at sights for other bikes they all have some problems, the problem with the internet is that now you hear about them a lot more.

Precisely

 

[Spedboy]

I like the heat! My '05 keeps my boys warm well after I've swapped out my front tire for a ski. Motorcycling in upstate NY rules! :bleh:

Don't you think it's a little early for you new '06 guys to start going into hysterics over the ol' tick issue? I'm still waiting for someone to bring up the '03 collapsing centerstand thread again... Or maybe we can all take shots at Jestal on how we clearly know more about oil than him, and while we're at it let's kick Warchild a few times for having the insolence to organize a group buy on our behalf again...

Be careful you don't disrespect the RESPECTED members of this community. There are experts here. Real ones. Don't shout at them. They know more than you.

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[HIGHLANDER]

Yo Skiwi!  I second Bike Effects' query.  Where the heck did you get your info on the valve train changes?

After a conversation with an owner of a Yamaha dealership. He claims to have studied the design of the '06 engine, and it was supposedly announced at the dealer meeting when the '06 bike was unveiled.

Then again I could have dreamed it?

I do not believe the dealer at all..... if Yammie had redesigned the flow it would be all over their brochure / web site the same way the " new heat management " is being advertized. If it it's redesigned and they are not releasing the info to the general public then it's a huge marketing error on their part.

Every MC board on the web is alway taking pokes at the FJR and the Tick. Yammie needs to gain back the non buyers, and increase sales, not just quietly repair the unfortunate bikes with the tick. If it was redesigned we'd all know about it.