2010 VFR1200 Details Leaked
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SockMonkey
Makin' Some Noise
CAJW
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Bet it looks really good in Fire Engine Red! Almost bought one years ago, but the 800 FI just didn't have enough grunt for me. This one just might fill the bill.
Toecutter
What would DoG do?
Cool, but how far will it go (fast) on a tank of gas and how much heat will it throw toward the rider?
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Solo
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It sure would get me thinking. That V4 is about as sweet a motor there is. I had an '03, and even with Helibars I couldn't get enough weight off of my wrists, which really limited the bikes usefulness. If the VFR 1200 had a bit more of an upright stance, maybe...
DeweyIsgod
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Ah...yet another victim of modern muffler design.
Other than that, I WANT ONE!!!
Other than that, I WANT ONE!!!
cardingtr
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One sided swingarm and shaft drive looks sexy! If it's less than 550lb wet, I'll start saving now. Bust that vacation in Cozumel!
bmwhd
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Could be the first Honda in years I'd give serious consideration to owning. Need to see final numbers on weight and fuel capacity but it has promise!
SouthernCruizer
Is it Beer:30 yet?
Am I missing summfin'? I dont see an adjustable windshield, nor do I see any hard bag mounting set up. And are those clip- ons or just low handlebars? Looks to me more like a sport bike than a sport-tourer.
I do love the Honda V-4 engine though....smooth, powerful, and very reliable.
I do love the Honda V-4 engine though....smooth, powerful, and very reliable.
Ed_Grant
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"Am I missing summfin'? I dont see an adjustable windshield, nor do I see any hard bag mounting set up. And are those clip- ons or just low handlebars? Looks to me more like a sport bike than a sport-tourer."
That will be on the ST version.
That will be on the ST version.
ionbeam
2 FUN
MotorToad
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I can't decide if this is a great new ST1300 or a ruined VFR. I've been waiting 8 years for a new VFR and wondering what they were going to do to make me not want it.
Jagermeister
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This is kinda exciting!
Don't the side Fairings and Saddlebags look familiar?
Especially in the bottom picture, they're Yama-ish:
Don't the side Fairings and Saddlebags look familiar?
Especially in the bottom picture, they're Yama-ish:
Hotboot
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Gee....a ST bike that's a sportbike under the skin....sounds like my gen1 FJR.
They have been taunting us with this thing for years, even had a V-5 design. 200 crank hp on a ST intrigues me but will I beleive it when I see it.
They have been taunting us with this thing for years, even had a V-5 design. 200 crank hp on a ST intrigues me but will I beleive it when I see it.
Crash Cash
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FYI, a "Pan-European" is the European name for the ST-1300 (like the CBR-900RR is the "Fireblade" over there)
Spud
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Honda. Honda, honda, honda.....
I just seriously don't get this company. I would argue they are capable of building the highest quality, best engineered cycles in the world. But how they decide what to build...
The DN-01, the Rune, the Fury. Combine weird with ultra-expensive, and actually bring it to market. Where it sits.
Make a great real-world bike like the ST1300, then never update it.
Now, the new VFR--looking exactly like their concept bike....FROM 10 YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!
They build a V-5 that destroys all comers in motogp, and never adapt it to the street...
Pull the plug on F1 after who knows how many hundreds of millions expended, and fire sale the team to Brawn who now is dominating the series in first year...
I should stop now...
I just seriously don't get this company. I would argue they are capable of building the highest quality, best engineered cycles in the world. But how they decide what to build...
The DN-01, the Rune, the Fury. Combine weird with ultra-expensive, and actually bring it to market. Where it sits.
Make a great real-world bike like the ST1300, then never update it.
Now, the new VFR--looking exactly like their concept bike....FROM 10 YEARS AGO!!!!!!!!!!
They build a V-5 that destroys all comers in motogp, and never adapt it to the street...
Pull the plug on F1 after who knows how many hundreds of millions expended, and fire sale the team to Brawn who now is dominating the series in first year...
I should stop now...
exskibum
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AMEN!!!!!
But you left out the Blackbird story. Smoke everyone with a nearly bulletproof and glassy smooth worldbeater in '97, do a few minor updates (FI, new dash, better RR) over 11 production years (though only '97 thru '03 were imported to States), and then drop the supersport platform it helped to found?!?!?!
Most XX owners long ago got fed up with rumors based upon the XX/VFR concept drawings and the tantalizing technology of the V5 MotoGP bike and jumped ship to Kwaks or Busas based upon disgust with Honda's marketing decisions in the face of Honda's ability but unwillingness to produce as good or better SS bike than anyone in the business.
Sorry -- I should stop, too, but your rant was too irresistibly true not to jump on. Last thing we need is for Warchild to spot this thread -- he'll go apoplectic ranting (AGAIN) about Honda after an ST1100 and then flogging 2 XXs to hell and back, before finally giving up on them and buying an eye-a-buser. :lol:
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MotorToad
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I can explain it: Soichiro is dead.
I often think about things like this, why motorcycle companies can't think outside the box and make interesting bikes without doing one or two stupid things to make the bike unsellable, and Honda is worst about this. Most bikes today are so similar to everything else in it's class that I wonder why there are four different bikes at all. I bet most of us could tell more difference between brands of tires than brands of 600s.
They made the SV-650 10 years before Suzuki did, but they priced it within a few hundred of their 600 supersport. Great bike, doomed to be unsellable.
They made the PC800. (Should be unforgivable on its own but there aren't enough of them to rouse a decent mob against them.) (Perhaps not coincidentally, the same guy that green-lighted the PCH also green-lighted the DN-01... HTF does that guy have a job?)
DN-01. A combination of those two bikes; the engine of the former with even worse styling than the latter. With an ATV transmission. Oh, and it costs more than anything else from Japan. Seriously, guys, I'm insulted. This thing is a crap cracker with ancient crap internals. $4000, fine, it's a scooter. At $14,000, you're flipping us off and yelling "WE'RE HONDA! WE CAN SELL ANYTHING WE WANT!"
I was thrilled to see they kept the CBR-600F4i for sale when the CBR-600RR came out. They even made the "banana" seat available that turned the bike from a torture rack to the best 600 on the market. Oh, but Kawasaki has this $7000 ZZ-R600 that's the same generation of middleweight (previous year's ZX-6R) but it's $1300 cheaper. Oh, and they renamed it "ZZ-R" so now it's also cheap as chips to insure.
Blackbird, as already mentioned. They made the class with the CBR-1000F, then just watched it sit. New Suzukis and Kawasakis come and take all the sales, but instead of updating the bike (admittedly it didn't need much, it was already fast enough and already the best bike out of that trio) they just let it sit.
VFR. Hey, let's make the only VFR ever made that no one likes, and then give it an 8 year run instead of the 4 year runs that every previous gen had had. While the Sprint ST is lighter, cheaper, newer, and faster. At least when Kawasaki sells us an 8-year-old bike, they sell it cheap.
CBR-900RR. Holy cow, this bike is AWESOME. It's cheaper, faster, and lighter than the YZF-750 and GSX-R750. Except that it has a 16" front wheel. It's one thing to make a bike that's actually different than everyone else's, but it's another thing to make your customers unable to buy the tires they want.
VTR-1000F. Wow this thing is great. Wait, ****, got a gas can? 30 mpg is inexcusable.
As far as I can tell, it's just momentum that's keeping Honda alive. I can't think of a model they've made in 10 years that I wouldn't prefer something else. (And I have a VTR-1000F, but I got it cheap!) If this is the new ST, then look out, FJR. But as a VFR it's a dog.
I often think about things like this, why motorcycle companies can't think outside the box and make interesting bikes without doing one or two stupid things to make the bike unsellable, and Honda is worst about this. Most bikes today are so similar to everything else in it's class that I wonder why there are four different bikes at all. I bet most of us could tell more difference between brands of tires than brands of 600s.
They made the SV-650 10 years before Suzuki did, but they priced it within a few hundred of their 600 supersport. Great bike, doomed to be unsellable.
They made the PC800. (Should be unforgivable on its own but there aren't enough of them to rouse a decent mob against them.) (Perhaps not coincidentally, the same guy that green-lighted the PCH also green-lighted the DN-01... HTF does that guy have a job?)
DN-01. A combination of those two bikes; the engine of the former with even worse styling than the latter. With an ATV transmission. Oh, and it costs more than anything else from Japan. Seriously, guys, I'm insulted. This thing is a crap cracker with ancient crap internals. $4000, fine, it's a scooter. At $14,000, you're flipping us off and yelling "WE'RE HONDA! WE CAN SELL ANYTHING WE WANT!"
I was thrilled to see they kept the CBR-600F4i for sale when the CBR-600RR came out. They even made the "banana" seat available that turned the bike from a torture rack to the best 600 on the market. Oh, but Kawasaki has this $7000 ZZ-R600 that's the same generation of middleweight (previous year's ZX-6R) but it's $1300 cheaper. Oh, and they renamed it "ZZ-R" so now it's also cheap as chips to insure.
Blackbird, as already mentioned. They made the class with the CBR-1000F, then just watched it sit. New Suzukis and Kawasakis come and take all the sales, but instead of updating the bike (admittedly it didn't need much, it was already fast enough and already the best bike out of that trio) they just let it sit.
VFR. Hey, let's make the only VFR ever made that no one likes, and then give it an 8 year run instead of the 4 year runs that every previous gen had had. While the Sprint ST is lighter, cheaper, newer, and faster. At least when Kawasaki sells us an 8-year-old bike, they sell it cheap.
CBR-900RR. Holy cow, this bike is AWESOME. It's cheaper, faster, and lighter than the YZF-750 and GSX-R750. Except that it has a 16" front wheel. It's one thing to make a bike that's actually different than everyone else's, but it's another thing to make your customers unable to buy the tires they want.
VTR-1000F. Wow this thing is great. Wait, ****, got a gas can? 30 mpg is inexcusable.
As far as I can tell, it's just momentum that's keeping Honda alive. I can't think of a model they've made in 10 years that I wouldn't prefer something else. (And I have a VTR-1000F, but I got it cheap!) If this is the new ST, then look out, FJR. But as a VFR it's a dog.
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charismaticmegafauna
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Honda -- they know more than you do.
Part of the problem is the U.S. market and the chance to "Hit-the-Jackpot' with one bike (if its the right bike). All the other bikes they might make and put on the show-room floor pale into insignificance when compared to the $$Millions in windfall profits from bikes like Gold Wings (or VTX 1800s?).
Honda's U.S. offerings are just for biding time until the next "big seller"....
Part of the problem is the U.S. market and the chance to "Hit-the-Jackpot' with one bike (if its the right bike). All the other bikes they might make and put on the show-room floor pale into insignificance when compared to the $$Millions in windfall profits from bikes like Gold Wings (or VTX 1800s?).
Honda's U.S. offerings are just for biding time until the next "big seller"....
