2010 Yamaha FJR Intro

[BulletBrad]

Well since I can use my 07 AE as the base, I think a UK version paint job is in order this winter. I REALLY like the silver with black/blue highlights. :yahoo:

 

[Checkswrecks]

Well since I can use my 07 AE as the base, I think a UK version paint job is in order this winter. I REALLY like the silver with black/blue highlights. :yahoo:

This was in France last month. The silver has a touch of pearlescent gold to it:

 

[BulletBrad]

Well since I can use my 07 AE as the base, I think a UK version paint job is in order this winter. I REALLY like the silver with black/blue highlights. :yahoo:

This was in France last month. The silver has a touch of pearlescent gold to it:

Yup that's the one. On the Yamaha-Motors UK site they have the 360 degree spinner thingy of it. Just have to see about ordering a Black Cherry front fender, Black Cherry and 05 Blue factory paint from Color-rite.

 

[skybugus]

I'm not at all surprised they let the GenII roll another year because of the points touched on above... economy, no competitors upping the ante, etc.What I'm saddened to see is Yamaha recycling colors. I know they kinda did it with the AE counterparts but in all but the rarest cases when you saw one you could immediately ID the year, it was one of the little 'special' little touches I love about the FJR... if you see a silver fairing, up until today it was definately an 03. There are so many more colors left to run, I'd probably trade my 03 in on an one of those sand/gold genII's Australia got in 07 or that deep (non cough syrup) red that the FZ1 came in last year or the year before. The list could go on and on for color options.

Oh well.

At least now I don't have to lament how my gen I is even further behind.

Why did I get the feeling that the may be a 6speed in the near future ..But I guess not this year

 

[meosborn]

Why did I get the feeling that the may be a 6speed in the near future ..But I guess not this year

Because you're delusional.

 

[palerider]

Why did I get the feeling that the may be a 6speed in the near future ..But I guess not this year

Because you're delusional.

+1

 

[Bluegrass FJR]

The silver is definitely understated, but looks good nonetheless.

As for the FJR's demise, isn't it still the most popular sport-tourer in the USA? With the updates Kawasaki's putting into the 2010 C-14, they must be betting on the popularity of sport-touring bikes.

 

[Fred W]

It all depends on who you ask. Some magazines, even as recently as 2008, have picked the FJR1300 as the best SST over the C14, K1200GT and ST1300. It's all very subjective.

There is a market for these bikes, albeit a relatively small one. And the FJR is a damn fine contender in its current form. I really don't see why Yamaha would be in such a big hurry to update the FJR other than maybe adding a few widgets as available options.

Which brings up a good point: I don't like the fact that Kawi has added all these new wizz bang features to the C14 as standard equipment. It drives the price tag up on the people that don't want them. Why not just use the automotive model of dealer added options? That way if I don't want to pay for key-less ignition and traction control, but want heated grips and variable ABS I can have it my way.

 

[DanielW]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed before (I'm new here)

Why didn't yamaha place the manual clutch lever on the AE model? That would have made marketing sense even if each unit would have cost them a small amout more.

Also, it would have made the slow parking lot control issues go away, and perhaps allowed the mainstream rider accept the new technology more readily.. not to mention that their dealers would not have twice the inventory to showroom.

Anyone know what their reasoning was?

How about that for 2011, along with an improved gearbox and better less vibration control improvements?

DanielW

 

[palerider]

Forgive me if this has already been discussed before (I'm new here)
Why didn't yamaha place the manual clutch lever on the AE model? That would have made marketing sense even if each unit would have cost them a small amout more.

Also, it would have made the slow parking lot control issues go away, and perhaps allowed the mainstream rider accept the new technology more readily.. not to mention that their dealers would not have twice the inventory to showroom.

Anyone know what their reasoning was?

How about that for 2011, along with an improved gearbox and better less vibration control improvements?

DanielW

I think with the AE the marketing guys were hoping for "oh wow" but instead what they got was "oh." People thought it was sorta cool, but nobody got really excited about it. I agree with you that it would be nice to have both. I suspect the extra weight if they included both was a factor in their decision to go with one or the other.

I like my AE, and indeed because of arthritis in my left hand I probably couldn't be riding without it, but I think the AE's implemenation of the auto-clutch is kind of clumsy.

 

[jjsC6]

It all depends on who you ask. Some magazines, even as recently as 2008, have picked the FJR1300 as the best SST over the C14, K1200GT and ST1300. It's all very subjective.
There is a market for these bikes, albeit a relatively small one. And the FJR is a damn fine contender in its current form. I really don't see why Yamaha would be in such a big hurry to update the FJR other than maybe adding a few widgets as available options.

Which brings up a good point: I don't like the fact that Kawi has added all these new wizz bang features to the C14 as standard equipment. It drives the price tag up on the people that don't want them. Why not just use the automotive model of dealer added options? That way if I don't want to pay for key-less ignition and traction control, but want heated grips and variable ABS I can have it my way.

Gosh Fred, all those wiz-bang features that Kawasaki put on the 2010 have driven the price.......well, right there with the price of the FJR which does not have all those wiz-bang features. And yet they also make a non-ABS version that does not have some of the features that is cheaper than a FJR. Would you like to re-think your post? :blink:

 

[Fred W]

It all depends on who you ask. Some magazines, even as recently as 2008, have picked the FJR1300 as the best SST over the C14, K1200GT and ST1300. It's all very subjective.
There is a market for these bikes, albeit a relatively small one. And the FJR is a damn fine contender in its current form. I really don't see why Yamaha would be in such a big hurry to update the FJR other than maybe adding a few widgets as available options.

Which brings up a good point: I don't like the fact that Kawi has added all these new wizz bang features to the C14 as standard equipment. It drives the price tag up on the people that don't want them. Why not just use the automotive model of dealer added options? That way if I don't want to pay for key-less ignition and traction control, but want heated grips and variable ABS I can have it my way.

Gosh Fred, all those wiz-bang features that Kawasaki put on the 2010 have driven the price.......well, right there with the price of the FJR which does not have all those wiz-bang features. And yet they also make a non-ABS version that does not have some of the features that is cheaper than a FJR. Would you like to re-think your post? :blink:

Well, not to be argumentative, but the wizz bang features are standard on the ABS model.

Yes, Kawi has a stripped down version with no ABS (kudos to them for giving the buyer some choice) and that does eliminates the new variable ABS and new traction control too. That stripped model is cheaper than an FJR (which only comes with ABS).

But the 2010 Concours w/ ABS (and new wizz bangs) is now a bit more expensive than the 2010 FJR, whereas a 2009 Concours ABS was less expensive than a 2009 FJR. So clearly the wizz bangs are costing the buyer something.

Of course all of this pricing comparison is msrp, and we all know that (almost) nobody actually pays msrp.

Please don't get me wrong, I am not a Concours hater. I personally don't care for the styling queues, but I could live with that. I could definitely own one and be perfectly happy. I just do not like the direction that all the manufacturers are going in this class with adding more and more wizz bang features as standard equipment (at the behest of some users). Soon these bikes will be priced like Gold Wings.

 

[jjsC6]

It all depends on who you ask. Some magazines, even as recently as 2008, have picked the FJR1300 as the best SST over the C14, K1200GT and ST1300. It's all very subjective.
There is a market for these bikes, albeit a relatively small one. And the FJR is a damn fine contender in its current form. I really don't see why Yamaha would be in such a big hurry to update the FJR other than maybe adding a few widgets as available options.

Which brings up a good point: I don't like the fact that Kawi has added all these new wizz bang features to the C14 as standard equipment. It drives the price tag up on the people that don't want them. Why not just use the automotive model of dealer added options? That way if I don't want to pay for key-less ignition and traction control, but want heated grips and variable ABS I can have it my way.

Gosh Fred, all those wiz-bang features that Kawasaki put on the 2010 have driven the price.......well, right there with the price of the FJR which does not have all those wiz-bang features. And yet they also make a non-ABS version that does not have some of the features that is cheaper than a FJR. Would you like to re-think your post? :blink:

Well, not to be argumentative, but the wizz bang features are standard on the ABS model.

Yes, Kawi has a stripped down version with no ABS (kudos to them for giving the buy some choice) and that does eliminates the new variable ABS and new traction control too. That stripped model is cheaper than an FJR (which only comes with ABS).

But the 2010 Concours w/ ABS (and new wizz bangs) is now a bit more expensive than the 2010 FJR, whereas a 2009 Concours ABS was less expensive than a 2009 FJR. So clearly the wizz bangs are costing the buyer something.

Of course all of this pricing comparison is msrp, and we all know that (almost) nobody actually pays msrp.

Please don't get me wrong, I am not a Concours hater. I personally don't care for the styling queues, but I could live with that. I could definitely own one and be perfectly happy. I just do not like the direction that all the manufacturers are going in this class with adding more and more wizz bang features as standard equipment (at the behest of some users). Soon these bikes will be priced like Gold Wings.

Fred, first of all, you contradict yourself. You said you would like the features to be option. Then you come back and say that the "stripped model is cheaper than an FJR". Okay, which way is it?

Second, the difference in price between a ABS Concours and a FJR is what - I think $100 or $200 on a $15,000 bike. That hardly even shows up on the calculator if you run the percent difference.

As to your point about pricing, maybe you have forgotten that there are bikes like the Suzuki 1250 Bandit.

Thirdly, the fact of the matter is that most people who buy bikes in the FJR class actually spend many hundreds of dollars - usually in the thousands, to add farkles to their bikes. I'm all for the factory integrating the features many of us want.

 

[Fred W]

Fred, first of all, you contradict yourself. You said you would like the features to be option. Then you come back and say that the "stripped model is cheaper than an FJR". Okay, which way is it?

It's both. I guess I'm doing a poor job explaining myself.

Yes, the non-ABS is available, but you can't then order any options on that.

Or you can get the featured-up bike and that comes with everything and the kitchen sink as standard. No options there either.

Do you see what a mean?

Second, the difference in price between a ABS Concours and a FJR is what - I think $100 or $200 on a $15,000 bike. That hardly even shows up on the calculator if you run the percent difference.

I am not really comparing FJR prices to Concours prices. I believe you were. I am comparing Concours 2009 (without wizz bangs) to Concours 2010 (with wizz bangs). I only use the FJR price as a reference for year over year price inflation. My point is that these wizz bangs do cost the buyer something (duh), whether you really want them or not. And you have to get the wizz bangs to get ABS. See where I'm going here now?

Thirdly, the fact of the matter is that most people who buy bikes in the FJR class actually spend many hundreds of dollars - usually in the thousands, to add farkles to their bikes. I'm all for the factory integrating the features many of us want.

I guess I can't really speak to that as I am NOT in the category of people that would ever buy one of these bikes new. I'm a cheap SOB and buy all of my bikes (and cars) lightly used. I never have bought a new bike, and likely never will. But I especially am too cheap to want to pay for "features" that I do not need or want on my bike.

Adding farkles to a bike to make it exactly the way that you want it is a big part of the fun of ownership to me. Maybe I represent a minority?

 

[palerider]

Adding farkles to a bike to make it exactly the way that you want it is a big part of the fun of ownership to me. Maybe I represent a minority?

Not unless you're black, Hispanic, female, handicapped, or Jewish.

 

[Fred W]

:lol:

No, no... more of a wasp, male, able-bodied, agnostic who likes to farkle in my spare time.

Definitely all majority stuff there...

 

[sportsguy]

https://www.yamaha-motor.ca/our_company/new....php?news_id=66
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Just catching up on this thread now.

First off can I just ask. Fred & JJ - Re two married? Quit with the bickering already.

Now to the real meat of this entire thread .......

The 2010 is silver. OK. I officially don't give a flying fawk, BUT it does make me feel better to know my '09 is still "currentish" for another year.

I do agree with the post above suggesting they could maybe picked a heretofo unused color, but you have to ask youself this. How many hours of a amanager's time would have been used in making the paint color choice if they'd picked a different color. THAT time is a hard cost to Yamaha you know. Probably better they reuse an already mixed can of paint from another time and another place.

I mean, we could have ended up with a dark emerald green FJR. Or even a plain old red one. Man, a new color choice would have really sucked, right?

We now return you to the Fred & JJ show where this week we find JJ looking for a comb to try to expose the nipple he's sure is on Fred's head*

* this is meant in fun guys. . All opinions are freely welcome here, obviously.

 

[RadioHowie]

First off can I just ask. Fred & JJ - Re two married? Quit with the bickering already.

 

[Fred W]

Man you guys are getting all sensitive. I didn't even think we had much of a disagreement going, never mind calling it an argument.

I was just trying to e'splain myself mo'e clear like, thah's all.

 

[palerider]

Man you guys are getting all sensitive. I didn't even think we had much of a disagreement going, never mind calling it an argument.
I was just trying to e'splain myself mo'e clear like, thah's all.

Nearly always a mistake.

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