AE u-turns
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cruiser
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You use the foot brake.
wfooshee
O, Woe is me!!
The computer feathers the clutch based on RPM, forward speed, and throttle position.
From what I hear. I don't ride one. Balance the throttle pull against the rear brake. Supposedly.
From what I hear. I don't ride one. Balance the throttle pull against the rear brake. Supposedly.
sin_loki
Techno Geek
very carefully working the throttle, and little rear brake if needed.
and a lot of practice
and a lot of practice
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CaptianBanana
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What those guys said. I've only owned mine for a few weeks, and I'm not perfect at it yet. The system will feather the clutch for you if you keep the rpms right around the engagement point. Dragging the brake helps. It takes a steady hand.
I probably need to take it to a parking lot and practice with it.
I probably need to take it to a parking lot and practice with it.
happyPuppy
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It is pretty easy to get the hang of it , I started with learning to ride at a slow walking speed using throttle and rear brake, when moved to circles and boxes. I can control it as well now as I did my other bikes.
copron
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I was doing U turns 2 up the first day I bought mine...................no one told me it was supposed to be a problem.
glory racing
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I would suspect that most riders (clutch or not) do not actually use the rear brake and the clutch friction zone for control during slow speed maneuvers. Rather they simply give it a little throttle then coast with the clutch lever pulled in. I have seen many riders, some who are quite proficient in the twisties, that cannot get their bike turned around in a 2 lane highway.
Seems to me that slow maneuvers would actually be easier on the ae. I have ridden an AE but I didn't really think about this aspect of the ride. Just rode out of the parking lot and then back into it 20 minutes later.
Seems to me that slow maneuvers would actually be easier on the ae. I have ridden an AE but I didn't really think about this aspect of the ride. Just rode out of the parking lot and then back into it 20 minutes later.
sin_loki
Techno Geek
the AE does not "coast" when you let go of the throttle (mine doesn't anyway) and the clutch does not fully disengages just before a stop (again on my bike setup).
I just very lightly "Tap" the throttle to keep the clutch engaged and keep it rolling during an u-turn, tap the rear break only if i gave it too much throttle (had the rear end break for an sec once, very pucker moment), then power out. currently i can turn my FJR around like an very small cage, and stay midway in the lane. I am no way the "best" but i can get it done, and survive LA rush hour on work trips (400 round trip miles @ $.58 an mile + hourly makes for good farkle money for the day B) )
blurry vision
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I have about 30,000 miles on my AE in less than 2years. One out of state trip, weekend riding only and I'm no pro yet either. The trick is practice / trial and error. Everyone has their own way of doing something. What works for one doesn't for the other. If you find yourself in trouble on a u-turn, stop if you can SAFELY. Or throttle on a little more gas and apply a little more brake to keep you upright. I tend to keep my rpms on the high side while u-turning. I'd rather have more than not enough. When in doubt throttle more and ride the rear brake hard to complete the turn. AE CLUB
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Steve in Phx
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I test rode an AE on Saturday and was testing tight U-turns. Dragging the back brake slightly made it pretty easy to maintain a very slow speed.
Practice is the key. Apply the rear brake while giving just enough throttle to partially engage the clutch. It does not take long to find the right combination of brake/throttle application.
BwanaDik
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I figured out how to do it during my last Stayin' Safe class. The biggest problem I found was to get the clutch to disengage before executing the turn in. Mine stays engaged down until about 5 MPH. The trick is to slow down enough, using a lot of rear brake, to get the clutch to start slipping, then look into the turn and turn the bike using a balance between the rear brake and throttle. I can now do full lock turns in both directions like on those police/Lee Parks videos.
Be careful though, the handeling is dramatically different between engaged and slipping. If you're already starting to turn before the clutch dis-engages and then it starts sliping, it is really really easy to drop the bike on the inside. Don't try to do a u-turn with the clutch engaged (unless your traveling above about 10 MPH) as it may disengage unexpectedly (Practice practice practice!) resulting in a sure inside drop.
Be careful though, the handeling is dramatically different between engaged and slipping. If you're already starting to turn before the clutch dis-engages and then it starts sliping, it is really really easy to drop the bike on the inside. Don't try to do a u-turn with the clutch engaged (unless your traveling above about 10 MPH) as it may disengage unexpectedly (Practice practice practice!) resulting in a sure inside drop.
NMRoadRunner
A Bulls work is never done!
You start to make a tight U-turn, try to "feather the throttle" while using your foot brake. Drop below 1300 rpm, the clutch will "automaticaly disengage" and you fall over, looking stupid, and now need to check out the damage to your motorcycle. I think that is how it is working out for thoses who have an AE. I'm just looking at it from the outside as I don't ride an AE myself, mine has a regular old fashioned clutch. :assassin: :assassin:
johndaub
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Of course the Advance MSF course makes you do clockwise as well. None of the instructors understood my bike for the maneuvers. I was just happy to pass without dropping it. I still avoid U turns in spite of the practice. Make sure you do not start the turn too hot. Keeping the revs high is to make sure that the clutch does not disengage (and you fall to the left) and do not hit the front brake (and you fall to the right); just work the rear brake while keeping the revs high. My best secret is to take a left, another left, another left and then a right; thats my kind of U turn.piece of cake.....
your right foot replaces your left hand
just make sure all your U-turns are counter-clockwise
happyPuppy
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I have never had the clutch disengage while moving. I can ride at walking speed slowly ( any slower and I would be stopped) with just a little rear brake. I can do left right U turns with ease tight ones as well. Anyone else have issues with an AE making U turns?
Exactly right! I could do U turns almost immediately after purchasing my new 2008 AE. Most people who think there is a problem with this have not ridden an AE model, or have problems with making U turns with conventional motorcycles, in my opinion.
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