Altitude surging on 07 fix

[otubrab]

Please see thread "2007 Altitude Surging -- Members Wanted thread" post number 410 for my initial experience with the new (fixed) ECU for this issue.

 

[quietguy]

Had my dealer search for a Service Bulletin on this issue... NONE! WTF?

Is this something that requires the damn dealer CALL Yamaha to get a part, then make the fix??

What a way to run a business... customer satisfaction doesn't seem to matter to them.

Think I may just go back to Harley.

 

[uctofeej]

Please see thread "2007 Altitude Surging -- Members Wanted thread" post number 410 for my initial experience with the new (fixed) ECU for this issue.

Referenced post

 

[SockMonkey]

I explained to everyone I talked to that ecu's are already being installed and that yamaha is very aware of the issue. all I got were standard responses.

I always find this type of response interesting..and mildly entertaining from Yamaha.

If I remember right...this is like the fourth issue we've homed in as a community and detailed at some form of concensus issue as a forum. Maybe it's time we start our own technical bulletin numbering system? If a few thousand FJR owners start calling an issue by the same number and term and be consistent with Yamaha and dealers when we talk about them...maybe it will build some cred.

....you know...as I type this......it makes more and more sense....I'm gonna have to follow up on this idea.

Proposed FJRForum.com Technical Issue Bulletins

001: Valve ticking/Premature Exhaust Valve Guide Seal Issue

002: Gen II: Throttle Abruptness Issue

003: Ignition Harness/Switch Issue

so let's reserve 004 for

004: Gen II '07: Altitude Surging Issue

...and I'll think of a way for the forum to highlight them to add credibility.

Taking your idea one step further, it might be worth exploring the possibility of appointing (or electing @ NAFO?) one of our forum members to become the dedicated technical liaison to Yamaha. One need only peruse a few of the technical board topics on this forum and the candidates for such an individual become readily apparent. I suspect that if we were to all get behind this liaison (and it need necessarily be someone whose technical knowledge of the bike is both incontrovertible and respected) that Yamaha wouldn't play the corporate "Duck, Cover & Deny" game in the manner that it has on this and other issues. Obviously, Yamaha need play along if this is to have any affect whatsoever. Given their alternatives; tag-team phone calls from dis-gruntled owners, public reputation bashing in this forum, etc., I supsect that they would play along if the concept is sold to them properly and a protocol for communicating issues is mutually agreed upon and religiously adhered to by this forum's membership. (Sidebar: a bona fide national organization would be real plus if for no other reason than adding weight to the FJR community in these situations. NAFO presents a prime opportunity to put in place just such an organization of elected officers, directors and regional representatives.)

In viewing other brand- and model-specific owner forums, I believe there are many precedents for a dedicated technical liaison. With registered forum membership nearing 6,000, I believe there is an opportunity for this community to do likewise.

 

[canyonman]

thanks uctofeej I will give steve a call and also contact my dealer in person and try that approach

 

[Ignacio]

NAFO presents a prime opportunity to put in place just such an organization of elected officers, directors and regional representatives.

I think you might be overestimating the size of NAFO's innagural plate.....and perhaps underestimating organizers' and/or potential officers desire to get shitfaced like everybody else at night and have a fun weekend riding by day with FJR buddies. :drinks:

Unless you're volunteering to be President and our designated driver?

 

[SockMonkey]

NAFO presents a prime opportunity to put in place just such an organization of elected officers, directors and regional representatives.

I think you might be overestimating the size of NAFO's innagural plate.....and perhaps underestimating organizers' and/or potential officers desire to get shitfaced like everybody else at night and have a fun weekend riding by day with FJR buddies. :drinks:

Unless you're volunteering to be President and our designated driver?

Designated driver perhaps, President not in a million f-ing years! :lol:

 

[kurtfriedrich]

I have not had my 07 up any mountains yet, is there any chance I DON'T have the problem? My mfg date is I think Apr 07. I don't want to raise a fuss with my dealer only to have Yamaha reply saying "that VIN does not need the fix". Thinking I should get up a mountain before I yell.

Kurt

 

[uctofeej]

I have not had my 07 up any mountains yet, is there any chance I DON'T have the problem? My mfg date is I think Apr 07. I don't want to raise a fuss with my dealer only to have Yamaha reply saying "that VIN does not need the fix". Thinking I should get up a mountain before I yell.
Kurt

Check out TruWreck's post. Even if you don't ride in altitudes -- hard to imagine, I know -- you may want to sell it someday....

 

[kurtfriedrich]

I have not had my 07 up any mountains yet, is there any chance I DON'T have the problem? My mfg date is I think Apr 07. I don't want to raise a fuss with my dealer only to have Yamaha reply saying "that VIN does not need the fix". Thinking I should get up a mountain before I yell.
Kurt

Check out TruWreck's post. Even if you don't ride in altitudes -- hard to imagine, I know -- you may want to sell it someday....

Sorry, you missed my point. My question was, did some of the later 07's come "all ready fixed"?

 

[Warchild]

Sorry, you missed my point. My question was, did some of the later 07's come "all ready fixed"?

I think the chances of that are pretty slim, else Yamaha would have already had these ECUs out to the dealers.

Thinking I should get up a mountain before I yell.

Just hop on I-90 and dash up to Snoqualmie Pass..... try to hold a constant speed of 70-ish MPH, and you'll likely experience the problem well, well before the summit....

 

[painman]

004: Gen II '07: Altitude Surging Issue
...and I'll think of a way for the forum to highlight them to add credibility.

I think we need to include 2006's as well. There aren't near as many bikes and some's problems not as severe as the 2007's but surging issue none the less. And when I talked to the Customer Service Tech Specialist, for what its worth his name was Jim and was aware of the issue and the fix. PM. <><

 

[kurtfriedrich]

Sorry, you missed my point. My question was, did some of the later 07's come "all ready fixed"?

I think the chances of that are pretty slim, else Yamaha would have already had these ECUs out to the dealers.

Thinking I should get up a mountain before I yell.

Just hop on I-90 and dash up to Snoqualmie Pass..... try to hold a constant speed of 70-ish MPH, and you'll likely experience the problem well, well before the summit....

well, as a matter of coincidence, even before you sent this, I was on my way to do exactly that. It rained all weekend, and was nice this afternoon, so I said wtf, and away I went.

Turned on the engine in Redmond, at about 300ft, when I went past West Bend at ~850 ft, it then goes up in about 15 miles to the top of the pass at 3022 feet, where I turned around without stopping, and came back down to 850ft (where I stopped for pie and coffee). I was pushing quite a headwind on the way up (at least 25mph) and since I assumed I was going to have a problem, I was listening very hard - nothing. Ran perfectly. Even when I came up on 18 wheelers and had to fight past their wind.

last part of my VIN is A003540, and it says built 03/07. I just got it in early Sept and it was still in a crate when I bought it.

Watcha think? Is this a black and white thing, happens 100% of the time, or do I need to run more experiments? I can try Steven's Pass (4056) someday?

thanks

Kurt

 

[TruWrecks]

Don't worry about it until you experience it. You WILL KNOW when that happens. Schedule a stop to change your shorts after it happens.

It's not if, it's when.

 

[L2M]

Sorry, you missed my point. My question was, did some of the later 07's come "all ready fixed"?

I now have 1000 miles on my 07 and haven't had any issues despite many attempts to cause this behavior (over 410, over I90, down to the Columbia Gorge and back). I tried very hard to keep the throttle in one position, maintain 70-80mph, and not do anything spirited. No sign of the dreaded surging. VIN ends in A003379. Here's hoping the surge never comes.

 

[kurtfriedrich]

Don't worry about it until you experience it. You WILL KNOW when that happens. Schedule a stop to change your shorts after it happens.
It's not if, it's when.

Have you been tracking the VINs with and without the problem? What is your VIN?

thanks

Kurt

 

[TruWrecks]

Sorry, you missed my point. My question was, did some of the later 07's come "all ready fixed"?

I now have 1000 miles on my 07 and haven't had any issues despite many attempts to cause this behavior (over 410, over I90, down to the Columbia Gorge and back). I tried very hard to keep the throttle in one position, maintain 70-80mph, and not do anything spirited. No sign of the dreaded surging. VIN ends in A003379. Here's hoping the surge never comes.

Try 50-60MPH. That's when I noticed it most.

 

[TruWrecks]

Don't worry about it until you experience it. You WILL KNOW when that happens. Schedule a stop to change your shorts after it happens.
It's not if, it's when.

Have you been tracking the VINs with and without the problem? What is your VIN?

thanks

Kurt

VINs from 115 to 7700+ reporting surging, with a few sporadic non-surgers.

 

[kurtfriedrich]

Try 50-60MPH. That's when I noticed it most.

Interesting. I was always over 70, mostly at 75, and sometimes at 80. This weekend I am leading some of my duc friends from Black Diamond,

410 to Cayuse Pass (4694 feet) SR123 to Packwood and I will be much more in the 50-60 range on that trip. We'll see how that goes.

 

[greg97224]

Try 50-60MPH. That's when I noticed it most.

Interesting. I was always over 70, mostly at 75, and sometimes at 80. This weekend I am leading some of my duc friends from Black Diamond,

410 to Cayuse Pass (4694 feet) SR123 to Packwood and I will be much more in the 50-60 range on that trip. We'll see how that goes.

Let your RPMs drop to around 2grand, then try to pick up speed again.