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Get a lawyer. Even if just to chat with. It's only "amicable" because you heard the word and understands what it means. If she gets to a judge with her lawyer first, you're screwed.

Mine never set foot in a courtroom, he just reviewed the documents. Iin comparison, I had a really simple divorce. No kids, I wanted out of the house (quit-claim deed, she had to re-fi or sell it), and the debt was split right at 50/50. South Dakota requires that and is a "no fault" state.

good luck, hold nothing back, keep your cool (especially in a conference room)

 
Remember that you have to live with yourself after it's all over. Also that lawyers tend to stir things up in order to increase fees. Chose your battles. Try to look at the big picture. Listen to legal advice but make your own decisions. Find someone you can trust to talk to. Stay busy. Good luck.

 
Hey man, sorry to hear what you're going through. I haven't heard of a divorce yet that "went well". During mine (15 years ago)I wasn't going to take it laying down. Pardon the pun. I fought and I fought hard for what I felt I was entitled to. A good lawyer is a MUST. Don't let the soon to be "ex" clean you out. You'll be better off down the road knowing you gave it your best shot even if the lawyers and divorce judges decide differently. At least you tried.

And if there's kids) involved DO NOT let them get in the middle of what you and the ex are going through. Good luck..... and I agree, go on a looooong bike ride to help you think straight.

 
Sml,

Sorry to hear about your situation. See if your state allows for Arbritration. This is WAY Cheaper only if you both are agreeable to the terms of a Non-Contested divorce. If not, then off to the court system you go.

Good Luck on your resolution.

 
Forget words she uses like amicable. Whatever the definition...

: characterized by friendly goodwill : peaceable
synonyms amicable, neighborly, friendly mean exhibiting goodwill and an absence of antagonism. amicable: implies a state of peace and a desire on the part of the parties not to quarrel <maintained amicable relations>.
This is not likely what she means. Remember the kind, loving, sweet and understanding woman you married? She doesn't live here any longer! The best advice you've been given:

GET YOURSELF PROTECTED! If that means hiring a lawyer, then do so. Get some real advice from a professional. Here in California, there are para-legals who can advise you and suggest an attorney when the issues expand beyond the parameters in which they operate.

I learned that resolved (resolution) didn't mean:

a: to deal with successfully : clear up <resolve doubts> <resolve a dispute> b: to find an answer to c: to make clear or understandable d: to find a mathematical solution of e: to split up (as a vector) into two or more components especially in assigned directions
but instead meant me coming to her point of view on any given subject. And she had an attorney who would represent whatever her desires were...right, wrong, moral, amoral, whatever. Protect yourself and do it NOW!

As with (I'm surmising, here) others, I'd like to be proven wrong in my estimate of the situation. I think the experiences of other forum members proves the validity of our warning to get help now. Close all credit cards in both names (including gas cards). Close all bank accounts in both names (savings and checking). You need to legally separate yourself from everything.

 
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:butcher: :butcher:

So grab a phone book and look under the letter "S" IN THE YELLOW PAGES for SMITH & WESSON.

No such thing as a good divorice

 
You know, looking back on my first divorce... If I had killed her when I first wanted to, I'd be out by now.

Disclaimer:

This post is intended for humor and not intended as a real alternative to marital conflict resolution. If you choose to take this post seriously, you will do the time by yourself. Well, mostly by yourself. Of course, there will be the cell-mate named "Bubba."

 
I think my Mrs. has the same desire for the second wife most especially. ;)

 
Dude,

Lawyers in this case are kinda like the Fram oil man. "You can pay me know or pay me later". Better to put out the dough now rather than in the long run. It'll take a lot more to rebuild your life than it will to pay a good lawyer. Been there, done that. A few times. Don't forget to ride when all else fails!! Good luck!

 
When you get the lawyer...make sure you know what is important to you also. So you don't start fighting over shit that you could care less about. If you hate the cat, don't fight over it. I watched a couple fight over silly shit like that. The lawyers were the only ones that got anything by the time they were done fighting.

Hopefully there are no kids, that can really complicate things. Good luck

 
1) Do not move out of the house. It might feel more comfortable, butt it will be seen as 'abandonment' buy a court (at least in florida).

2) Keep your ego out of the whole process.

2a) You cannot be more than 50% responsible.

2b) Your wife's new partner choice is about her, not you. It may have existed before you were ever together.

 
To echo a few points:

Don't do stupid sh*t regarding "getting back a her" in any way. Remember if the crap hits the fan and you wind up in court, the judge will not likely find you spray painting lesbian slurs on the side of her car as funny as you and your buddies did.

Go to a Barnes and Nobles, buy a cup of coffee and go to the law section and read a bunch on divorces and see what apples to your situation. Write things down,then go talk to a lawyer about, then go see one. NEVER show up to a lawyer without having questions and concerns written down to be addressed, or spend any time chatting about anything else than your legal trouble. It costs $$ to talk to them in any format. Had a friend who would chat sports with his on phone calls ,to the tune of about $50/15 min. You can find a chat line that will at least give you a happy ending fo that kind of cash.

Get it in your mind to approach this like a business deal. *Do not let it get personal*. Talk it over with friends, family. Stay away from alcohol, as it tends to cause harrassing calls to the ex at 3 am that can result in restraining orders (not me, of course).

Last thought, you could try what worked for me, which was to suggest we do most of the work ourselves, then I would pay for a lawyer to handle all the "legal aspects" of thing. So she did not hire a lawyer. Of course since I was paying the lawyer, I was the client not her, and got him to work some angles while she went off and sent the temporary $2K support payments we worked out. Lawyer can be real bastards, which is what I was paying for.

Good luck, remember that it sucks, but it will be over. Plan yourself a trip with some buddies for after the deed is done, it'll give you a light at the end of the tunnel to shoot for.

Doc

 
When you get the lawyer...make sure you know what is important to you also. So you don't start fighting over shit that you could care less about. If you hate the cat, don't fight over it. I watched a couple fight over silly shit like that. The lawyers were the only ones that got anything by the time they were done fighting.
EXCELLENT advice there.

And as was said above, do your homework and have specific questions you want answered. The best thing you can do in going to see a lawyer is to have everything organized -- an outline of the facts and issues, with easily findable (or indexed) documents to support that outline. Point is that you want your lawyer to spend as little time as possible getting up to speed on a case he or she knows NOTHING about when you walk in the door. Makes the attorney-client team much better, you get better advice and the bill is far more affordable.

You're best off spending money very early on a lawyer to get the lay of the land, avoid making costly mistakes and put yourself in a position to choose from a wide range of as yet unforeclosed options about a strategy and course of action. Hopefully, the divorce can truly be done amicably, because emotionally driven cases (dissolutions are the no,. 1 example) only make the cost higher and the lawyers win.

Write down and be willing to discuss "negotiation packages" with your lawyer. That is: one is your bottom line sheet splitting list. Then do your real wish list. And then try to come up with some in between compromise packages. Let the lawyer know what issues are important to you, what are less important and what are mere bargaining chips (might be important to her and you can give them up in exchange for something important to you). This will REALLY save you some money and maximize your satisfaction in negotiating a resolution -- especially if your lawyer does the negotiating.

My ex and I (both lawyers, but not divorce lawyers and no kids) spent $300 on filing fees as the total cost for dissolving our 18 year marriage. Took us 3 weeks to agree to a split of things, and we're still friends 5 years later. There were a couple legal issues that could have gone either way (and we're probably each still convinced that our positions were the winning ones), but if we'd insisted on having a judge decide who was right, the lawyers (divorce shysters, not us) would have been the big winners and we might not still be friends.

But do protect yourself and get competent advice early. If my and others' perspectives are any indication, the woman on the other side of this divorce bears little resemblance to the sweet thing you dated and walked down the aisle with. She may get some of that back after it's over, maybe not. If possible, do it amicably. It's cheaper, and easier on the psyche.

General litigation advice: Always appear to be the reasonable party. The litigation process has never and will never change the other party's personality. It's about bottom line, and the cost of the process is a big part of that.

Good luck. It's amazing how much better things are when it's over. I mean: no mo' bitching, you're not wrong for anything and everything you do, women are attracted to you, and best of all -- they're even NICE to you again!!!!

 
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Thanks for the advise.

Now how long before I start dateing again? Its been so long and it bums me out that I have to do that again, man I hate those damn mind games.

 
I assure you if the situation was reversed she would hammer your tyts to the ground. SO buddy, get yours to include alimony.

Talk to a lawyer, make it a good one and sue for legal fees as well.

Take your 1/2 of everything. If that means you have to give up the bike for a bit, so be it. But get yours for now.

Again get a good lawyer. She wants out that bad, make her pay for it.

Good luck.

 
Thanks for the advise.Now how long before I start dateing again? Its been so long and it bums me out that I have to do that again, man I hate those damn mind games.

Best thing for you to do IMHO, since I have been through this twice is not to date for a while. Go out, have some fun and just play the field. Take some time and enjoy that freedom. No need to get into another relationship right away. Both time it took me about two yrs to really get into another relationship that I deemed worthy. No rush dude. Take that time and do the things YOU want to do.

 
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