Bikey no idle....STILL

[HotRodZilla]

So lessee...Lessons learned:

Be very careful when doing valve adjustments as it is very easy to jump a tooth.

If your bike runs like **** after a VA, you probably jumped a tooth.

Yamaha will throw parts at a problem even if they don't know what the **** is really wrong with the bike.

Fairlaner's local dealer's techs are ******* idiots. As they didn't find the real problem even when pointed to it.

The forum is the place to go if we want our bikes' problems' sorted out.

Fairlaner has a new throttlebody that he didn't really need. Haha...Morons.

There is an "easy" way to get the cam chain back in time.

 

[SkooterG]

What TOTALLY gets me is how WELL it ran with the crank sprocket off one tooth. I mean, it would fast idle, and according to Richard who took it out for a test run, it ran well. It just wouldn't idle when warm. I was COMPLETELY wrong because I told him if the chain had jumped a tooth on the smaller crank sprocket his FJR would be running like complete ******* so that absolutely couldn't be the problem! Learned something new today.

Amazing as the crank sprocket is smaller than the cam sprockets throwing timing off more than those and throws BOTH intake and exhaust timing off.

When doing the re-shimming on both bikes, we didn't take off the right side cover to zip-tie the cam chain and verify correct timing. LESSON LEARNED!!!! I will say Kaitsdad's method of zip-tieing the chain to the cam sprockets is the Dog's Danglies as it ensures those CAN'T lose timing even when removed for re-shimming.

Richard found an older Yammie tech that came recommened whose wife owns an FJR, and he STILL couldn't find a competent one! Cripes! Very sad. Very, very, sad. But hey, now he has a brand new $1700 throttle-body that he didn't need.

Damn good stuff on this forum. DAMN good stuff!

Congratulations Richard for fixing it yourself and finally having a properly running FJR!!! :clapping: :clapping:

:yahoo:

 

[SkooterG]

Okay, I'm amazed at two things. One, that the tech screwed it up in the first place. I don't know whether it's hard to get it wrong, but he's getting paid to do it right. Second, that the problem was resolved here on the the forum, which I think is pretty cool. You guys are great.

The techs were myself and Richard, doing this for the first time under the tutelage of Kaitsdad. See my above lesson learned. Thank goodness mine didn't skip a tooth since I was 500 miles from home! Both cams were removed on mine as several valves needed re-shimming.

 

[Fairlaner]

That about sums it up........HRZ

you forgot one important thing.......

Fairlaner is a much happeir camper than he was a day ago....

R

 

[SkooterG]

So lessee...Lessons learned:

Be very careful when doing valve adjustments as it is very easy to jump a tooth. Yes it can be, but if you do things the proper way and exercise some simple caution it's not that big a deal. Not as bad as I thought it was going to be.

If your bike runs like **** after a VA, you probably jumped a tooth. Amazingly, his bike didn't run like ****. Just wouldn't idle when warm. But yes, if there's a problem after a check, that is one thing to look very closely at.

Yamaha will throw parts at a problem even if they don't know what the **** is really wrong with the bike. Yamaha (Corporate) can only go by what the dealer tech is telling them. And unfortunately we have all seen too many instances of techs that just not cutting it. I mean, nobody is perfect, but.......

Fairlaner's local dealer's techs are ******* idiots. As they didn't find the real problem even when pointed to it. YES!!!

The forum is the place to go if we want our bikes' problems' sorted out. YES, YES!!!

Fairlaner has a new throttlebody that he didn't really need. Haha...Morons.

There is an "easy" way to get the cam chain back in time. Big shout-out to FJRay!!! :clapping:

That about sums it up........

you forgot one important thing.......

Fairlaner is a much happeir camper than he was a day ago....

R

And especially the day after our little party when your FJR wasn't idling. GRUMPY FECKING ******* you were! :lol:

 

[escapefjrtist]

So what's the trick for jumping a tooth [to get her back in time] if you end up outta time...Fairlaner, FJRay, Skooter? :dntknw:

Hoping it never happens, but inquiring minds need to know.

--G

 

[SkooterG]

So what's the trick for jumping a tooth [to get her back in time] if you end up outta time...Fairlaner, FJRay, Skooter? :dntknw:

Hoping it never happens, but inquiring minds need to know.

--G

Maaaagic!

 

[escapefjrtist]

So what's the trick for jumping a tooth [to get her back in time] if you end up outta time...Fairlaner, FJRay, Skooter? :dntknw:

Hoping it never happens, but inquiring minds need to know.

--G

Maaaagic!

You gotta do better than that!

 

[FJRay]

So what's the trick for jumping a tooth [to get her back in time] if you end up outta time...Fairlaner, FJRay, Skooter? :dntknw:

Hoping it never happens, but inquiring minds need to know.

--G

Maaaagic!

You gotta do better than that!

I'll tell a for a nickle

 

[wheatonFJR]

GRUMPY FECKING ******* you were! :lol:

Did he look something like this?

 

[SkooterG]

GRUMPY FECKING ******* you were! :lol:

Did he look something like this?

Are you kidding? That's the ******'s 'happy face'!

I tell you, his wife is an ABSOLUTE SWEETHEART!!! :wub: I cannot think of one single reason in the whole wide world why she puts up with him!

 

[escapefjrtist]

So what's the trick for jumping a tooth [to get her back in time] if you end up outta time...Fairlaner, FJRay, Skooter? :dntknw:

Hoping it never happens, but inquiring minds need to know.

--G

Maaaagic!

You gotta do better than that!

I'll tell a for a nickle

Do you take Nigerian checks?

--G

 

[FJRay]

So what's the trick for jumping a tooth [to get her back in time] if you end up outta time...Fairlaner, FJRay, Skooter? :dntknw:

Hoping it never happens, but inquiring minds need to know.

--G

Maaaagic!

You gotta do better than that!

I'll tell a for a nickle

Do you take Nigerian checks?

--G

Sure, just make out for any amount and I will return the excess. :lol:

 

[FJRay]

It's really pretty simple as long as the cams are timed to each other. Just zip tie the chain to the cam sprokets so you don't lose that timing. Then back the CCT out all the way and that creates just enough room to work the chain one tooth around the crank. Retension the CCT, remove the zip ties from the cams and rotate the engine a number of turns by hand. Recheck the timing and button it up.

 

[escapefjrtist]

Kinda what I figured Ray. Thanks for the insight...hopefully we'll never need to use it after-the-fact.

--G

 

[HaulinAshe]

Richard, I'm sorry I didn't see this earlier. The moment I read the first sentence I knew your bike had jumped one tooth. It will WFO like a mutha and runs like a scalded dog above 4,000 RPM. But it won't idle, no way, no how.

Been there done that, and it's a lot easier to do than people realize. That's what prompted me to make such a big deal warning about ty-wrapping the cam chain during the service.

CCT Warning Thread

 

[Bustanut joker]

See? You can't drink an work on ****..

 

[johnny80s]

Glad it all worked out.

 

[odot]

See? You can't drink an work on ****..

Sure you can....you just end up one tooth off on the timing chain. :dribble:

 

[kaitsdad]

See? You can't drink an work on ****..

Sure you can....you just end up one tooth off on the timing chain. :dribble:

I think it was the crumpets.