Brand new FJR shuddering

[03HiYoSilver]

Hawk,

Another thing that may be causing this surging is a Coil wire connection bent over to a near short condition.

When I was inspecting my coils yesterday, I found the bottom wire terminal was bent towards the middle post...probably from the mechanic installing the right lower faring during the recent repair, bent the connector.

I hope you find your problem and let us know...these things are sooo frustrating.

 

[Hawk600]

Hawk,Another thing that may be causing this surging is a Coil wire connection bent over to a near short condition.

When I was inspecting my coils yesterday, I found the bottom wire terminal was bent towards the middle post...probably from the mechanic installing the right lower faring during the recent repair, bent the connector.

I hope you find your problem and let us know...these things are sooo frustrating.

Thank you 03HiYoSilver.

You know what I was also wondering if part of the problem could be originated from a electrical problem.

I am now uploading a clip on YouTube and that could give you guys better idea of what I am talking about. I wish I could have lots of FJR's around to compare but they not so common in Southern NE.

I will check that connections tomorrow.

 

[03HiYoSilver]

Hawk,Another thing that may be causing this surging is a Coil wire connection bent over to a near short condition.

When I was inspecting my coils yesterday, I found the bottom wire terminal was bent towards the middle post...probably from the mechanic installing the right lower faring during the recent repair, bent the connector.

I hope you find your problem and let us know...these things are sooo frustrating.

Thank you 03HiYoSilver.

You know what I was also wondering if part of the problem could be originated from a electrical problem.

I am now uploading a clip on YouTube and that could give you guys better idea of what I am talking about. I wish I could have lots of FJR's around to compare but they not so common in Southern NE.

I will check that connections tomorrow.

Hawk,

I am not sure how deep you want to get, but about 3 mechanics missed this one:

https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?s...mp;hl=connector

This connector caused my bike similar conditions as yours....did wonders for me!

 

[Hawk600]

Ok,

I uploaded a video of my FJR's behavior in YouTube so I could better show you Folks the problem I am experimenting.

Here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlT0OflZWjM

Unfortunately I have no idea if is a "surge" case or something worse like a bad EFI or Throttle body, or even some sort of electrical problem. :glare:

Reading the topics about surge I had the impression that this problem happens more in highway in between acell and decell, and in my case I have the problem happening while riding in town. Already did a TB sync plus installed G2 throttle can however nothing changed. :angry2:

 

[03HiYoSilver]

Hawk,

That was painful to watch and hear. It sounds like at least one cyclinder is not running.

Make sure all your wires are properly seated and if this does not work, find a good mechanic and wish you the best for a speedy solution.

Good luck on your troubleshooting tomorrow.

 

[Hawk600]

Hawk,That was painful to watch and hear. It sounds like at least one cyclinder is not running.Make sure all your wires are properly seated and if this does not work, find a good mechanic and wish you the best for a speedy solution.Good luck on your troubleshooting tomorrow.

Thank you 03HiYoSilver, I believe my problem now is to have a Yamaha dealer ackowledge the problem, as the two ones I've been think the bike is normal. With an "official" report of the deffect, I could have enough ammo to fight with Yamaha until it is fixed. I will also take a look at the coil as you suggested, and stop by in the Manchester's dealer Ionbeam rcommended.Kind of getting tired to try and hit a wall, but this thing is really anoying. :angry:

 

[EXPDSGT]

Hawk --- I feel for you buddy. You buy a great bike and expect it to run great. I would not do any mod like the PCIII till you locate the problem. It has to be one of the many electrical things this bike has and it will need to go on the computer to find it. Your best bet is to find a dealer who knows this bike and if he can't figure it out; Yamaha will send out a tech to help them solve the problem. One thing is for sure the bike should NEVER die in traffc. That is ridiculous. This is Yamaha's problem to solve --- not yours--- I would be on the phone with customer service ASAP. You are the customer and you know a new bike is not susposed to die in traffic. My two cents.

 

[snikr]

Ionbeam is a good guy and he'll help you out. That dealer MUST be good if he wants you to go there. I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya.

Tom

 

[Hawk600]

Thank you guys!

In fact I was so upset today after ride the bike to work that I decided escalate the issue with Yamaha Customer Relations department. :assassin:

I first spoke with a lady, probably Customer Service which after collect all the info, she transferred me to a Product Specialist. I again explained the problem to this person and he asked if i could hold in the line as he would be calling the dealer who tried fix the problem (not the one I purchased, because I did not want deal with them and they kind far away)

After speak with the dealer, the Product Specialist told me to bring the bike back the bike to Nashua Motor sport as Yamaha wanted the bike diagnosed and would cover the costs. However I noticed he really wasn't convinced tha the bike had a real issue as the dealer told him "they could not duplicate the problem". They also suggested it could be a "riding style" issue which made me furious. :angry:

I than said that I wanted him to watch the video I uploaded on YouTube as he could have a real idea abouth deffect and there is no need to ride the bike to see or duplicate the problem, as it shows up clearly while the bike running in the center stand.

Later on I brought the bike in the dealer and to make sure they were full aware of the defect, I asked the Service Manager to came out with me and take a look at the bike. I started the bike and locked the Vista Cruise with the tach at 2K rpm and the thing started floating up and down.

He was surprised and said he never saw a bike acting like that and called the mechanic who took care of the issue before. Bought were like watching the rpm variation and wondering what could be causing it.

I was now glad that they saw the problem, and kind of made clear to him that if that is normal on this bike I want my money back! And that's why I wanted Yamaha involved. :glare:

Anyway, the call to Yamaha was pleasant besides took about 30 minutes, and this guys in the Dealer also trying to provide a good customer service, which is a relief, at least for now.

I like this bike a lot but I was starting to regret to don't wait on the Concours 14.

Hopefully they will find something soon, and if not I will insist with Yamaha and bring the bike to dealer Ionbeam referred.

 

[03HiYoSilver]

Thank you guys!
Hopefully they will find something soon, and if not I will insist with Yamaha and bring the bike to dealer Ionbeam referred.

Hawk,

Be patient and be vigilant. It will be worth while and you will look back and laugh at this time of grief and share with us your words of wisdom. I feel for you and pray you are in competent hands.

May the force be with you....

PS, I have myself had dealings with Yamaha Customer Relations and they worked hard to make things right and want it right.

 

[Hawk600]

Ok here is what happened.

Left the bike in the dealer on 7/17/07.

Calle dthis morning and they said "come to pick it up" "It's fixed". :yahoo:

Got there and spoke with the Service Manager. They had to adjust the throttle position sensor, because was off,

plus , they had to adust the fuel injectors because they were all off. He said "CO".

Cylinder four was "21" , cylinder 3 was "18", cylinder two was "19" and cylinder one was "5" !!!! :dribble:

They lined all to 18 according the mechanic's notes.

So there was something else wrong with the bike besides the nicked vaccum line they found initially. They said the bike was ok first time..... :glare:

The problem is that did not solve the exitation and rpm variation !!! :angry2:

Bike is smoother now, and the throttle abruptness was reduced, but the exitation still there! And I could see it right after start the bike with the service manager aside me and he also noticed that.

The pops and rpm variation were the same. I rode the bike and same crap. :glare:

So, I refused to pick up the bike and they will be calling Yamaha by Tuesday, as they are closed Monday.

It sux because I cannot ride now, and the riding season here in the Northeast is very short!!!! I am fustrated!

 

[PA1195]

Ok here is what happened.
Left the bike in the dealer on 7/17/07.

Calle dthis morning and they said "come to pick it up" "It's fixed". :yahoo:

Got there and spoke with the Service Manager. They had to adjust the throttle position sensor, because was off, plus and the worse for me, they had to adust the fuel injectors because they were all off.

The Service Manager told me that by Yamaha specs they should be measuring 18 worever is this measurent unit they use.

Cylinder four was "21" , cylinder 3 was "18", cylinder two was "19" and cylinder one was "5" !!!! :dribble:

So there was somthing else wrong with the bike besides the nicked vaccum line they found initially.

The problem is that did not solve the exitation problem !!! :angry2:

Bike is smoother now, and the throttle abruptness was reduced a lot but the exitation still there! And I could see it right after start the bike with the service amanger aside me.

The pops and rpm variation were the same. I rode the bike and same crap. :glare:

So, I refused to pick up the bike and they will be calling Yamaha by Tuesday, as they are closed Monday.

Sux a lot because I cannot ride and the riding season here in the Northeast is very short!!!! Sorry, but I am very fustrated!

Hello and very sorry to read of your continuing troubles in getting your bike to run right...I have a question...do you recall when the Service Manager said the "specs" were off on the cylinder settings, did he say that "18" was the correct setting for all cylinders, or that 5,19,18,21 were correct?...what did they say they set them to in the end to attempt a fix?...there's been some ongoing discussion here about the settings and I'm curious where they ended up after being serviced by Yamaha...best of luck in resolving your problem.

Gary in Fairbanks

 

[Hawk600]

Hello and very sorry to read of your continuing troubles in getting your bike to run right...I have a question...do you recall when the Service Manager said the "specs" were off on the cylinder settings, did he say that "18" was the correct setting for all cylinders, or that 5,19,18,21 were correct?...what did they say they set them to in the end to attempt a fix?...there's been some ongoing discussion here about the settings and I'm curious where they ended up after being serviced by Yamaha...best of luck in resolving your problem.
Gary in Fairbanks

Thank you Gary,

The service manager actually showed me the mechanic's notes and the 5,19,18,21 were incorrect ones and he lined all to 18.

I think I read something in here about the numbers not suppose to be even, but I am not sure. Because the problem wasn't solved I did not worry about it but I will check.

I did notice a improvement in the abruptness after that but it did not help with the exitation

 

[PA1195]

Hello and very sorry to read of your continuing troubles in getting your bike to run right...I have a question...do you recall when the Service Manager said the "specs" were off on the cylinder settings, did he say that "18" was the correct setting for all cylinders, or that 5,19,18,21 were correct?...what did they say they set them to in the end to attempt a fix?...there's been some ongoing discussion here about the settings and I'm curious where they ended up after being serviced by Yamaha...best of luck in resolving your problem.
Gary in Fairbanks

Thank you Gary,

The service manager actually showed me the mechanic's notes and the 5,19,18,21 were incorrect ones and he lined all to 18.

I think I read something in here about the numbers not suppose to be even, but I am not sure. Because the problem wasn't solved I did not worry about it but I will check.

I did notice a improvement in the abruptness after that but it did not help with the exitation

Thank you for the reply and fill on the Service CO settings...soon someone will test each GenII exhaust at idle for CO and then we'll know the correct values...keep the faith and your FJR will hopefully be soon restored and running properly by the dealer...if not, keep a pressured dialog going with Yamaha's Customer Relations people.

Gary in Fairbanks

 

[03HiYoSilver]

Hawk,

How is your repair request going? I hope you are getting a good resolution.

 

[Hawk600]

Hawk,
How is your repair request going? I hope you are getting a good resolution.

Thank you for asking!

I got the bike back yesterday, and to make long history short, they basically increased the CO settings on my bike!

The Dealer had some Yamaha product specialists visiting and after look my bike, they suggested the CO increase

So.....per the Yamaha techs, the dealer was kind wrong leveling the CO in all four cylinders to 18 as the injectors are adjusted individually in the Factory and each one has a unique number/setting. They should kept the original uneven settings (5,18,18,21) and increase proportionally on top of that.

Therefore they increased the numbers in 10 for each cylinder, or: 15,28,28,31.

I rode the bike and is much better now, less abrupt reactions between decell and accell, and the hesitation is almost gone, but still there. The RPM variation did not go away either, however they had another '07 doing the first service, and it behaves exactly the same as mine.

Conclusion: the problem is not on my bike only!

Came back to dealer and asked the mechanic if the Yamaha techs said if we could go higher in the numbers, and the answer was that we could go up to 20 or maybe 25 above the original factory setting and still meet EPA!

So...I decided do the Barbarian Mod and try tweak it myself, as I have now the parameters work with.

 

[06FJRider]

Hi Hawk,

I hope this email finds your issue as finally resolved.

If not I wanted to make one suggestion that may sound hair-brained: Have you put your battery on a charger recently or do you know that it is in proper shape /charge? Do you know if it was properly conditioned when the bike was delivered? (or did you condition it?).

The reason I am suspicious of the battery is that a previous personal experience (with a car) proved that weak batteries /electrical systems will affect the performance of electrical solenoid fuel injectors. During your video (that was a good idea btw), I noticed that the bike's temperature was quite high, meaning that your fans were probably on (this is a guess on my part since they could not be heard in the video) and a marginal electrical system could be at issue. Again, this is nothing but a guess at this time.

Btw, I am located in Westford, MA (not too far) and have had good experience with the Hudson, NH dealer (where I purchased mine). I have also heard from others with personal experience that Yamaha in Billerica, Mass. (next to the Concord river) is also a good shop.

Keep us informed! Cheers, Luis

 

[03HiYoSilver]

Hawk,
How is your repair request going? I hope you are getting a good resolution.

The RPM variation did not go away either, however they had another '07 doing the first service, and it behaves exactly the same as mine.

Conclusion: the problem is not on my bike only!

Hawk,

Glad to hear the good news! However, I would hold off on raising the numbers, Yamaha is going to issue a ECU replacement soon: https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=23935

So this may change everything for you and you may end up with fouled plugs.

Have a great weekend and Happy Riding....

 

[Hawk600]

Hawk,Glad to hear the good news! However, I would hold off on raising the numbers, Yamaha is going to issue a ECU replacement soon: https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=23935

So this may change everything for you and you may end up with fouled plugs.

Have a great weekend and Happy Riding....

Thank you for the good news about the ECU 03HiYoSilver !!

I did the Barbarian mod and increased the settings above the dealer ones. Tried various combinations and unfotunately none solved the hesitation problem.

The bike gets smoother in decel/accel situations with the numbers up, but still failing and hesitating same way between 1500 and 3000 rpm.

I also still can hear muffled pops coming from the pipes with the hesitation. And I cannot believe the dealer says they don't notice it while riding the bike!!! :dribble:

I like this bike a alot but I am very dipleased with now, the constant hesitation in traffic is making me nuts.... :angry2:

Don't know if I bring it back to the same dealer, bring it to the other dealer IonBean suggested or call Yamaha and fight for a refund....or now wait to see what will roll about this ECU. <_< :blink:

 

[03HiYoSilver]

Don't know if I bring it back to the same dealer, bring it to the other dealer IonBean suggested or call Yamaha and fight for a refund....or now wait to see what will roll about this ECU. <_< :blink:

Hawk,

Been there done that. Too many Dealers/mechanics WILL not admit when they don't now what they are talking about. It is time to get authorization from Yamaha to take it to the other Yamaha dealer as specified by Ionbeam as I have done in the last few months.

Something is still very wrong and you don't want to monkey it up further....hang on... your new ECU should be on its way.

May the force be with you!