emergency / kill switch ?

[azitlies]

See! That kill switch does have a purpose.

Now we can stop worrying about it.

I use it when I want, where I want, but not most of the time. Despite some past dialog with a couple of very adamant MSF guys (jeez, boys, lighten up a bit!) that insisted it should be used every time I park the bike, I'll decide if I can just as safely stop and park using the key, kickstand or emergency stop switch...... and I mostly always park the bike in first gear so it can't roll. That's just me.

I hear ya... and work with many of these MSF guys every day.

It really should be thought of (and presented by them) as a "Best Practice" kind of thing. Of course, obviously, there are many ways to accomplish the same thing (the same could be said about cornering).

but think about this... how would u teach a brand new rider to do it?

That's Y many of the MSF riders are so adamant about it... it's something new they've learned, and they want to pass it along. Especially to new riders, so they can continue the "Best Practice" for a long and enjoyable motorcycling career. Personally, I'd consider it important if it kept me from dropping my bike... wouldn't u?

 

[SkooterG]

It really should be thought of (and presented by them) as a "Best Practice" kind of thing.

The problem is, it should be presented as a "Best Practice" kind of thing FOR NEW RIDERS! In my somewhat limited experience, there are a LOT of MSF RiderCoaches who have been teaching the same thing for a LONG time and apparently don't realize there are several ways to skin a cat. Especially for 'experienced' riders. I also really wonder how many of these VERY experienced RiderCoaches (who are in the motorcycle training business) have taken any advanced motorcycle training themselves where they may have actually learned some alternative ways of doing things for experienced riders and the reasoning behind it.

Sorry, off my pulpit. Just some things I have observed over the years, and especially over the last 6 months since I have become an MSF RiderCoach myself, and more recently, while working on becoming a Lee Parks' Total Control instructor.

 

[azitlies]

It really should be thought of (and presented by them) as a "Best Practice" kind of thing.

The problem is, it should be presented as a "Best Practice" kind of thing FOR NEW RIDERS! In my somewhat limited experience, there are a LOT of MSF RiderCoaches who have been teaching the same thing for a LONG time and apparently don't realize there are several ways to skin a cat. Especially for 'experienced' riders. I also really wonder how many of these VERY experienced RiderCoaches (who are in the motorcycle training business) have taken any advanced motorcycle training themselves where they may have actually learned some alternative ways of doing things for experienced riders and the reasoning behind it.

Sorry, off my pulpit. Just some things I have observed over the years, and especially over the last 6 months since I have become an MSF RiderCoach myself, and more recently, while working on becoming a Lee Parks' Total Control instructor.

Completely Agree Skootie. When teaching the Experienced Rider Course I just explain why the MSF recommends something, then it's up to them to go ahead and do it or not. But new riders in the BRC they want them to follow those specific things. I still find the time to explain why though, as it usually helps for them to remember.

Have seen the same thing with fellow rider coaches, from teaching in 4 different States now. Some RC's have been so new to riding and being an RC (1 Sponsor rushed this chick through everything cause he was into her), that all they know to do is exactly what the book says, they didn't even know why. Was told that the first time this chick demo'd the straightening than braking in a curve, she sent herself over the handlebars. True story.

Another RC (had been for 8 years) rode with the Sponsor and another RC to Deals Gap. On the very first run through, she crashed and just about totaled the bike. That was the end of the trip, they got her bike to stop leaking oil and rode straight back home. I asked her what went wrong in the corner? She said she didn't know. This is an RC I remind you, one that teaches Cornering!! Hey we can all make a mistake, but at least be very very aware of the fact you came in too hot for the corner, or else yer destined to keep making the same mistake over and over...

I'm getting signed up for the Advanced Rider Course and Total Control. The guy who teaches the ARC told me though that Emergency Braking and Swerving don't change, they are the same as we teach in the other classes. The Cornering is more advanced as Trail Braking is introduced.

Getting back to yer point, yeah many RC's seem to get carried away with telling other riders what to do. Most of them I think the intentions are good. Some of those I don't think even know why they are saying what they say, only because the MSF told them to. It's kind of sad for sure.

Hey Congrats on being an RC We probably work for the same Sponsor

 

[FJR Bill]

It really should be thought of (and presented by them) as a "Best Practice" kind of thing.

The problem is, it should be presented as a "Best Practice" kind of thing FOR NEW RIDERS! In my somewhat limited experience, there are a LOT of MSF RiderCoaches who have been teaching the same thing for a LONG time and apparently don't realize there are several ways to skin a cat. Especially for 'experienced' riders. I also really wonder how many of these VERY experienced RiderCoaches (who are in the motorcycle training business) have taken any advanced motorcycle training themselves where they may have actually learned some alternative ways of doing things for experienced riders and the reasoning behind it.

Sorry, off my pulpit. Just some things I have observed over the years, and especially over the last 6 months since I have become an MSF RiderCoach myself, and more recently, while working on becoming a Lee Parks' Total Control instructor.

Completely Agree Skootie. When teaching the Experienced Rider Course I just explain why the MSF recommends something, then it's up to them to go ahead and do it or not. But new riders in the BRC they want them to follow those specific things. I still find the time to explain why though, as it usually helps for them to remember.

Have seen the same thing with fellow rider coaches, from teaching in 4 different States now. Some RC's have been so new to riding and being an RC (1 Sponsor rushed this chick through everything cause he was into her), that all they know to do is exactly what the book says, they didn't even know why. Was told that the first time this chick demo'd the straightening than braking in a curve, she sent herself over the handlebars. True story.

Another RC (had been for 8 years) rode with the Sponsor and another RC to Deals Gap. On the very first run through, she crashed and just about totaled the bike. That was the end of the trip, they got her bike to stop leaking oil and rode straight back home. I asked her what went wrong in the corner? She said she didn't know. This is an RC I remind you, one that teaches Cornering!! Hey we can all make a mistake, but at least be very very aware of the fact you came in too hot for the corner, or else yer destined to keep making the same mistake over and over...

I'm getting signed up for the Advanced Rider Course and Total Control. The guy who teaches the ARC told me though that Emergency Braking and Swerving don't change, they are the same as we teach in the other classes. The Cornering is more advanced as Trail Braking is introduced.

Getting back to yer point, yeah many RC's seem to get carried away with telling other riders what to do. Most of them I think the intentions are good. Some of those I don't think even know why they are saying what they say, only because the MSF told them to. It's kind of sad for sure.

Hey Congrats on being an RC We probably work for the same Sponsor

I sure agree with the last paragraph. Had an RC join some of my rides. She was very unskilled at doing slow speed turn arounds, like a 180 on the roadway. About the third ride she crashed when leaving the parking lot. We were both on Bandits. She was following me. I somewhat aggressively rolled on throttle, (nothing severe) in a right turn onto the road. She did too, spun the rear tire, panicked, jammed the front brake while in the turn and flipped over the handle bars. Saw all this in my mirror. It was a simple situation to recover from but she did all the wrong things. Just thought that a MC instructor could do better than that in a simple situation.

Bill

 

[Bustanut joker]

You have to wear a condom in L.A. if you want to do porn now..

 

[azitlies]

If u drop your wallet in San Francisco, you should kick it to LA before u pick it up.

 

[RadioHowie]

You have to wear a condom in L.A. if you want to do porn now..

If u drop your wallet in San Francisco, you should kick it to LA before u pick it up.

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