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Geezer
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I don't have the Muzzy system (yet), but their web site says that you can replace the core by drilling out the rivets that hold the end on the can, then change the core and pop in new rivets when you're done.
Can anybody tell me if the stock muffler will work with the Muzzy system? I'm think that it might be nice to slip the nice quiet stock muffler on temporarily for those occasions when I want to be more stealthy.
That's what I plan to do. I expect that it will not yield the maximum performance that is possible from the Muzzy but should work just fine.
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MotorSWATCop
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I have the map for the Muzzy full system for '06. Send me a PM w/ your e-mail and I will forward it.
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Thank you for that tidbit! I'll be checking on that with Muzzy, and Partmonster has agreed to keep my early GB order on hold for a few days until I have a chance to confirm availability from Muzzy (work is taking too much of my time right now). If anyone already has the specifics, please post it up, or I will when I find out. BTW -- Partmonster also asked me to let them know what I find out.
This may yet be an expensive farkling season.
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Here's the skinny on the Quiet Cores from Dave in the general sales/tech department at Muzzy (1-541-385-0706):
Muzzy sells the Quiet Core for $58.95. It is a funnel-like piece that fits inside the steel inner core of their unrestricted muffler. It must be tack welded in place, however. Therefore, from what I have gleaned, one need only remove the "polished button-head allen screws" that hold the end caps on, remove the cover (and presumably the packing) and tack weld the Quiet Core into the core of the unrestricted can. Of course, then ya gotta put it back together, too.
Good news for you LD Rally guys, and for the rest of us wanting to keep the bike a little less noisy. Seems my farkle costs have just gone up, since I will be contacting Partmonster to go ahead on the Muzzy system and matching PCIII.
And this thread has been another example of what is RIGHT about this place -- folks helping one another get the good stuff. Thanks again to Dale, Partmonster and Muzzys.
Rich
(savin' cats for CARB inspection days)
Muzzy sells the Quiet Core for $58.95. It is a funnel-like piece that fits inside the steel inner core of their unrestricted muffler. It must be tack welded in place, however. Therefore, from what I have gleaned, one need only remove the "polished button-head allen screws" that hold the end caps on, remove the cover (and presumably the packing) and tack weld the Quiet Core into the core of the unrestricted can. Of course, then ya gotta put it back together, too.
Good news for you LD Rally guys, and for the rest of us wanting to keep the bike a little less noisy. Seems my farkle costs have just gone up, since I will be contacting Partmonster to go ahead on the Muzzy system and matching PCIII.
And this thread has been another example of what is RIGHT about this place -- folks helping one another get the good stuff. Thanks again to Dale, Partmonster and Muzzys.
Rich
(savin' cats for CARB inspection days)
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HIGHLANDER
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Excellent info Rich, sounds simple enough, looks like I need to get the cobwebs out of the welder !!
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I guess I'm going to mount the Muzzy 4-2-1 with all the rest of the scheduled farkles. I ordered the exhaust gaskets from Mike at University Motors -- usual situation with them: extremely friendly and helpful.
Then I called Muzzys and this time I talked to Kurt Dorn (not Dave as before -- see a couple posts above here). Unlike what Dave told me, Kurt tells me installation requires NO welding, that an entirely new steel inner core is provided, that after I unpack it, I take the old core out and the new one fits over 4 prongs (or something like that). And **** me for being so stupid as to have suggested I was ordering something like Dave described. The quoted price was different from what Dave told me earlier, too: $39.95 now. Can't complain about a lower price, but this was a different experience than the immediately prior call to Mike at University Motors.
Anyway, looks like I'm getting the quiet core sooner or later, since he couldn't verify that they had the proper one to work on (presumably to install the quiet core?). If not, it'll add 20 days to the order time -- so I guess I'll have it within a month. No confirmation number, no e-mail notification, way too difficult to get a different shipping address than the billing address on a credit card. Left me with a conclusion:
IF the collector pipe touches down, I'm going to find someone local to modify it or make me a new one that doesn't touch down, rather than try to get it addressed through Muzzy. Just not the kind of vibe of a vendor/fabricator that gives a shit about customer relations. I've had a couple different cans apart, though not a Muzzy, so this isn't like I have NO idea what the hell he's talking about -- it was as if he had better things to do than answer the phone. Weird, but I apparently have the quiet core coming. Night and day difference from talking to Micron about their system on my XX last year. :huh:
Then I called Muzzys and this time I talked to Kurt Dorn (not Dave as before -- see a couple posts above here). Unlike what Dave told me, Kurt tells me installation requires NO welding, that an entirely new steel inner core is provided, that after I unpack it, I take the old core out and the new one fits over 4 prongs (or something like that). And **** me for being so stupid as to have suggested I was ordering something like Dave described. The quoted price was different from what Dave told me earlier, too: $39.95 now. Can't complain about a lower price, but this was a different experience than the immediately prior call to Mike at University Motors.
Anyway, looks like I'm getting the quiet core sooner or later, since he couldn't verify that they had the proper one to work on (presumably to install the quiet core?). If not, it'll add 20 days to the order time -- so I guess I'll have it within a month. No confirmation number, no e-mail notification, way too difficult to get a different shipping address than the billing address on a credit card. Left me with a conclusion:
IF the collector pipe touches down, I'm going to find someone local to modify it or make me a new one that doesn't touch down, rather than try to get it addressed through Muzzy. Just not the kind of vibe of a vendor/fabricator that gives a shit about customer relations. I've had a couple different cans apart, though not a Muzzy, so this isn't like I have NO idea what the hell he's talking about -- it was as if he had better things to do than answer the phone. Weird, but I apparently have the quiet core coming. Night and day difference from talking to Micron about their system on my XX last year. :huh:
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Geezer
Parsimonious Curmudgeon
I installed the full Muzzy on my '05. I re-used the gaskets for the header (big rings of something that looks like a brass alloy) and no other gaskets are required.
I ordered the quiet core and received a perforated pipe with packing wrapped around it that is exactly the same as what was already in my muffler. I didn't look carefully enough at the end where the core was attached to see if it is welded. I have the round aluminum muffler which uses rivets to hold it together.
Please let us know what the 'quiet core' looks like when you get yours. Perhaps they sent me the wrong part.
I ordered the quiet core and received a perforated pipe with packing wrapped around it that is exactly the same as what was already in my muffler. I didn't look carefully enough at the end where the core was attached to see if it is welded. I have the round aluminum muffler which uses rivets to hold it together.
Please let us know what the 'quiet core' looks like when you get yours. Perhaps they sent me the wrong part.
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Are these guys (Muzzy) on drugs? It seems they have put some significant thought into their product initially (one of the few with a full FJR system) but then the whole thing goes to shit when they are called on to send the right part, quote a price, give a refund, modify something, etc... i.e., when asked to use some common sense.
Weird.
Bill
MotorSWATCop
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I think Muzzy knows that they have a "pig in a poke" w/ their system for the FJR. From my dealings w/ them, it seems like they are sick of dealing w/ the FJR. I got comments like"You know this isn't a sportbike" and "parts touching is part of performance riding". Yeah...OK...
It's a shame that their system is flawed because the performance increase is very desireable. I'm just not willing to have to significantly modify a $750.00 exhaust system to make it safe. That's their job IMHO...
It's a shame that their system is flawed because the performance increase is very desireable. I'm just not willing to have to significantly modify a $750.00 exhaust system to make it safe. That's their job IMHO...
Geezer
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Yeah, I know -- I ordered 8, and 4 for the Blackbird while I was at it. I put in new gaskets when I change out the headers. This way I have a fresh set for both bikes. (XX already has 4-2-1 with OEM header in storage, and FJR soon to be the same.)
The way it's been described to me is that you need to look into the core from the back, and the quiet core has a restrictor that is a smaller diameter than the rest of the core (and maybe that for half of the length of it or so, the quiet core assembly has some sort of cone leading to or from that restrictor). I'd love to see a picture of both cores, but it's a pain in the ass to get any info out of Muzzy sales. When mine finally arrives, I'll take the can apart and photograph the whole mess. Unfortunately, that may be as long as a month away.
I hear ya on ALL of that. Given their attitude, and the discussion here, though, I've pretty much decided that the fastest way to a fix, with the least headaches and maybe even the cheapest route at the end of the day (certainly if I'm including the cost of my time) is to see if it drags for me with the suspension raised a bit and dialed as best as possible, and then have someone competent fix the dragging center pipe once and for all. If I'd bought directly from Muzzy, I'd be a lot more likely to send it back like you did.
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