This was exactly what I thought. Did you notice the last (or nearly last) left exits before the stop and window smash? I-95. Ain't no stop lights on I-95......
Father with family in SUV chased, beaten by speed-demon bikers
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Geezer
Parsimonious Curmudgeon
According to the TV news this morning in NY: 15 arrests and 55 bikes siezed
Good old NYPD, always ready to move in and act after the media shows how ineffective they are.
Good old NYPD, always ready to move in and act after the media shows how ineffective they are.
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ionbeam
2 FUN
Why didn't the SUV have all 4 doors locked? Did the SUV dial 911?
In NY I have twice been a passenger in cars in similar situations. Both were during the dark ages when there were no cell phones to call 911 -- heck I don't even know if there was 911 available. You have no idea how emotionally involving it is when the outside forces make you feel that your life is really and truly on the line. The first instance resulted in helmets being used to remove 3 windows from the car before the car was driven into a police station parking lot. Even in the police parking lot the bikers continued to pound on the car but they weren't as determined to get into the car and pull us out. Eventually they decided that it would be best to leave. During the entire event the driver was adamant that he was going to hit and run over as many bikers as he could to get us out of the situation, and boy did that seem like the thing to do. But, I kept telling the driver we would get out of the harrowing situation without killing anyone and what ever he does, don't hit anyone with his car. I wasn't sure the entire time if the driver was going to go the remaining 1% and flip out and run over people. After the incident I was really quite relived that we didn't become the killers on that day.
The second time, different driver, different car, we were able to loose the bikers and get the heck out of the area. In the first instance the driver had done something to get the bikers attention and then the bikers wildly over reacted. The second incident I have no idea what triggered the bikers. In both cases it would have been easy to make what later could be called a bad decision.
Just a few years ago I worked with someone that had a road rage incident late one night. His car was blocked and he was threatened by a group of people. He pulled out his legally owned pistol, threatened to harm everyone and got out of the situation. The police arrested him, the courts thought that he committed illegal acts and convicted him even though he was the 'victim' in the incident. He spent 3 years in jail and now has a felony record. If you pull out a gun you had better understand the consequences of your actions and even more, the consequences of actually using the gun. At the time the gun comes out everyone is alive, are you ready to become the killer in a situation where maybe everyone would have otherwise been able to go home at the end of the day?
In NY I have twice been a passenger in cars in similar situations. Both were during the dark ages when there were no cell phones to call 911 -- heck I don't even know if there was 911 available. You have no idea how emotionally involving it is when the outside forces make you feel that your life is really and truly on the line. The first instance resulted in helmets being used to remove 3 windows from the car before the car was driven into a police station parking lot. Even in the police parking lot the bikers continued to pound on the car but they weren't as determined to get into the car and pull us out. Eventually they decided that it would be best to leave. During the entire event the driver was adamant that he was going to hit and run over as many bikers as he could to get us out of the situation, and boy did that seem like the thing to do. But, I kept telling the driver we would get out of the harrowing situation without killing anyone and what ever he does, don't hit anyone with his car. I wasn't sure the entire time if the driver was going to go the remaining 1% and flip out and run over people. After the incident I was really quite relived that we didn't become the killers on that day.
The second time, different driver, different car, we were able to loose the bikers and get the heck out of the area. In the first instance the driver had done something to get the bikers attention and then the bikers wildly over reacted. The second incident I have no idea what triggered the bikers. In both cases it would have been easy to make what later could be called a bad decision.
Just a few years ago I worked with someone that had a road rage incident late one night. His car was blocked and he was threatened by a group of people. He pulled out his legally owned pistol, threatened to harm everyone and got out of the situation. The police arrested him, the courts thought that he committed illegal acts and convicted him even though he was the 'victim' in the incident. He spent 3 years in jail and now has a felony record. If you pull out a gun you had better understand the consequences of your actions and even more, the consequences of actually using the gun. At the time the gun comes out everyone is alive, are you ready to become the killer in a situation where maybe everyone would have otherwise been able to go home at the end of the day?
Intech
Mr. Camping Meet
First of all, driving a Range Rover, I am sure he had a cell phone. Should have kept the vehicle moving and not turned onto side streets while contacting the police. The vehicle was his best defense in that situation. For me a gun would have been the last resort. Anyone got close enough to smash a window would be toast. With my family in the vehicle I would have done whatever it took to keep them and myself as safe as possible. Glad the family is ok and he survived.
chivvalry
Well-known member
Those arrests were unrelated to this event... The ONLY arrest related at this point is the guy that brake checked the RR:
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Arrest-Biker-Gang-Beating-Dad-SUV-Family-West-Side-Highway-225958631.html
wheatonFJR
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I think that in this event...you are at the mercy of the hordes' good will. Just like those old zombie movies, there are just too many of them and not enough bullets...as others have said.
What a crazy fooking day that guy had.
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Intech
Mr. Camping Meet
That is a good indicator of how they are perceiving the incident. The ******* that thought he could stop an SUV with his motorcycle and got his leg broken and bike run over is the first arrested. Awesome!!
wheatonFJR
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Awesome...but they need to get a significant part of the group. This was a mob action, plain and simple.
Intech
Mr. Camping Meet
One of the stupid ******* on ABC news said that nothing justifies that kind of reaction. I wonder how she would have felt if she was in the car with here two year old.
Old Guy
Well-known member
I had this argument with someone else. He said the law says he should stay and this was "hit and run." It's not clear from the video what was happening immediately after he hit the guy. But it's hard to believe he'd have taken off like that if he didn't think he and his family were in danger. I asked the guy I was talking to "Would you have stayed?" and couldn't get an answer.
Without the complete facts, I don't know what I'd have done.
I wonder what happened before the ding bat decided to stop in front of him and got hit. What precipitated that?
chivvalry
Well-known member
From what I read the bikers starting violently beating on his car directly after brake check idiot got hit... in fear for his and his family's safety he escaped in the only way possible. Why brake check idiot decided it would be funny/cool to do what he did? No f'ing idea. I've seen idiots do the same for no reason at all... other than to be able to say later, "huhuhuuh... didja see whut ah did ta that ******* in da range rover? huhuhuuhhu... scared da **** outta him n his lil bitch i bet... huhuhhuuhh! I'm so cool!"
HotRodZilla
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Exactly! It takes a real genius to brake check a 4 wheeled 4000lb vehicle while riding a 400lb motorcycle. He did it because he thought it would be funny in front of his friends. Seriously, New York's IQ would go up 2 points if every one of those jackasses strapped themselves to their bikes and rode them off a pier.
wheatonFJR
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Maybe they were trying to stop the traffic so they could stunt on the freeway
TomInPA
Well-known member
I think you're right. I think the plan was to slow him down so the whole group could speed by. When contact was made and the biker ejected, that changed everything. Group mentality in situations like that can be volatile. These biker guys may have barely known each other, but when one of them was hurt and the "perpetrator" fled, they became a mob. Fear and anger in the SUV, mob vengence on the bikes. This was not going to end well.
wfooshee
O, Woe is me!!
What Wheaton said is exactly what I was thinking. Clearing the road for a playground.
Greg 03
Well-known member
Hit the nail right on the head sir...
The typical MO of this type of group is to create a rolling blockade then allow their members through so they can wheelie and stoppie down the highway at will while they use their helmet cams to catch the action. They rarely have any kind of group ride permits, most are not motorcycle endorsed, and most do not have valid plates or insurance. They are pretty much thugs in my opinion.
Thankfully we've not had much of this type of idiocy in my town yet but it has been happening in KC and St Louis.
chivvalry
Well-known member
"A clash between a pack of motorcyclists and a Range Rover on a Manhattan highway — which triggered a harrowing chase caught on a viral video — has left one biker facing charges and a second in critical condition.
Edwin "Jay" Mieses, 32, could be paralyzed after being run over during the chaos, a relative said."
https://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/01/20772232-1-biker-charged-another-critical-in-nyc-range-rover-chase?lite
Edwin "Jay" Mieses, 32, could be paralyzed after being run over during the chaos, a relative said."
https://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/01/20772232-1-biker-charged-another-critical-in-nyc-range-rover-chase?lite
wheatonFJR
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Yep. Any they catch can rot in jail as far as I am concerned.
I feel bad for anybody hurt, cuz I am a human being...but when you engage in risky behaviour like brake checking a car, sometimes you end up on the wrong side of the karma equation.
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chivvalry
Well-known member
The guy that had both legs broken and might be paralyzed may have been helping the guy that did the brake check. It's possible he was collateral damage.
He was, to a point. I'm sure the SUV driver didn't aim for him or anything. However, he was a willing participant in the stunt ride in the first place, the purpose of which was to block and take over a public hightway to show off their 'skillz'. If you are injured while breaking the law, I really think you need to look inward for responsibility in that. NONE of this would have happened had the group not gone out looking to do their stunting on public highways. I understand the mother's feelings about her son, but her son was doing something he probably shouldn't have been doing. You pays yer money, you takes yer chances.
