Finally got my new Yamaha

[Woodstock]

Speaking of the (new) FZ1...

Motorcyclist had an article on it (and the ZX-14 [interesting juxtapositioning, there])...

Anyway, they mentioned what I thought was an odd front suspension adjustment. The rebound damping is a clicker on one fork leg, and the compression on another fork leg. How does that work??

 

[gr8eyes]

I saw that article as well, and was a bit disappointed in their evaluation. They basicallly critisized the power below 7,000. Like repairman mentioned its not torque laden down low but Motorcyclist basically dismissed the bike on that point alone. It made me mad.

I don't know anything about HP and Torque as they relat to one another but what would Yamaha have to do to say... lower the HP figures a bit to get more torque. I'm assuming there is a trade off one for the other correct?

For instance.... if they lowered the HP output to 125 what could they expect the torque figures to be? Any guesses?

Glenn

 

[Woodstock]

I saw that article as well, and was a bit disappointed in their evaluation. They basicallly critisized the power below 7,000. Like repairman mentioned its not torque laden down low but Motorcyclist basically dismissed the bike on that point alone. It made me mad.
I don't know anything about HP and Torque as they relat to one another but what would Yamaha have to do to say... lower the HP figures a bit to get more torque. I'm assuming there is a trade off one for the other correct?

For instance.... if they lowered the HP output to 125 what could they expect the torque figures to be? Any guesses?

HP = ( torque * RPM ) / 5250

 

[petey]

Well, the little brother to my FJR finally came...picked him up yesterday. :yahoo:

I don't see any problem with the power/torque under 7,000rpm on this fellow. :huh:

 

[sparky3008]

Well, the little brother to my FJR finally came...picked him up yesterday. :yahoo:

I don't see any problem with the power/torque under 7,000rpm on this fellow. :huh:

Very sharp, looks good on ya!!!

 

[Woodstock]

Damn! That's a good looking bike.

Say what you want about the GSXRs, I think Yamaha makes some of the best looking bikes on the planet.

 

[TheRepairMan]

I saw that article as well, and was a bit disappointed in their evaluation. They basically criticized the power below 7,000. Like repairman mentioned its not torque laden down low but Motorcyclist basically dismissed the bike on that point alone. It made me mad.

Rider mag gave the 06 FZ1 the "Motorcycle Of The Year" award from their staff. Their articles have been very positive in their test experiences. In my own personal 500+ miles on the new bike I can't find anything to complain about either. I've never been on a more refined machine.

I don't know anything about HP and Torque as they relate to one another but what would Yamaha have to do to say... lower the HP figures a bit to get more torque. I'm assuming there is a trade off one for the other correct?

Any modern 4 cycle engine can be tuned and mechanically configured to generate either bottom end or mid range torque or a horsepower band that peaks steeply somewhere within it's usable rpm range. There is a direct trade off between torque and horsepower because of an engine's fixed physical internal dimensions (bore x stroke, rotating mass, intake and valve train configuration).

Yamaha has developed the new FZ1 engine to be optimized in torque and hp numbers for the real world street rider using regular octane pump gas. They are also forced to meet all the stringent emissions levels while giving the consumer a machine that will last for years when taken proper care of.

It doesn't make the peak hp of the R1 @ 12,000rpm but it makes very nice levels torque and horsepower between 4,000 and 11,500 that is sure to make you feel like you're on an R1.

For instance.... if they lowered the HP output to 125 what could they expect the torque figures to be? Any guesses?

Rear wheel hp is said to be around 131 peak so by this specific tuning change you might increase the bottom end torque by around 5%. Rather than reconfiguring cam profiles and fuel and ignition maps all you have to do is drop the front drive gear one tooth and maybe even increase the rear cog by 2 or 4 teeth to keep the stock chain and wheel base dimensions.

Owners report this brings the beast out and makes the 06 a screaming wheelie monster. :yahoo:

I'm so happy with mine the way it is I really can't see making any changes at this time. I'd like to keep my licence this year.

Roger

 

[petey]

I'm so happy with mine the was it is I really can't see making any changes at this time. I'd like to keep my licence this year.
Roger

+1 :yahoo: So far, the only mod I'm considering is to get a slightly bigger screen.... for those cool mornings in fall. :dribble:

 

[smitty141]

Well, the little brother to my FJR finally came...picked him up yesterday. :yahoo:

I don't see any problem with the power/torque under 7,000rpm on this fellow. :huh:

Nice ride Petey, are you going to bring that bike to Arkansas this fall??? Smitty

 

[petey]

Nice ride Petey, are you going to bring that bike to Arkansas this fall??? Smitty

Hey smitty, yes I probably will, I like my FJR a lot, but this thing (135 lb's lighter) is a lot less work on crooked roads.

 

[gr8eyes]

Petey, you devil, didn't tell me. I'll be up Fri afternoon. LOL

Glenn

 

[petey]

Petey, you devil, didn't tell me. I'll be up Fri afternoon. LOL
Glenn

Hi Glenn, yea c'mon up, I'll let you take it for a ride. :yahoo:

 

[TheRepairMan]

(snip)" but this thing (135 lb's lighter) is a lot less work on crooked roads."

Come on Petey! Admit it! It's just plain fun!

This bike really shines in the twisties ...makes me feel 30 years younger!

Roger

 

[petey]

(snip)

" but this thing (135 lb's lighter) is a lot less work on crooked roads."

Come on Petey! Admit it! It's just plain fun!

This bike really shines in the twisties ...makes me feel 30 years younger!

Roger

Yes, Yes and Yes :yahoo:

 

[newsantafe]

Well since you put yours here- here is mine with my new Leo Vince pipe- I am REAL happy with the performance, it is a prototype from them, as the US version will have the centerstand stop on them- I did lose my centerstand to try this pipe out, and as soon as the US mid pipe is made, they will send one to me.

 

[petey]

Boy, that Leo-Vince looks grrrreat. Also very clean look without the rear pegs.

 

[Bounce]

Anyone else see the OEM pipe as HUGE?

BTW: An undertail for the FJR has been available for at least a year or two. It's from the same people that came out with the first rear hugger. I think the archive over on FJR Owners will have the discussion or someone there can point you to the company if you're interested.

 

[petey]

Anyone else see the OEM pipe as HUGE?

Yes I do, with the shield on the front, and the end cap... at least it dosen't look too ugly. I have seen worse :huh: I'm getting used to it. :glare:

 

[newsantafe]

Anyone else see the OEM pipe as HUGE?

Yes I do, with the shield on the front, and the end cap... at least it doesn't look too ugly. I have seen worse :huh: I'm getting used to it. :glare:

I did not mind the looks too much- I just wanted a little more power, and the fact this pipe knock off almost 20+ pounds does not hurt at all. Now with no cat in the pipe, and no EXUP, the bike runs even better.

 

[TheRepairMan]

Anyone else see the OEM pipe as HUGE?

Yes I do, with the shield on the front, and the end cap... at least it doesn't look too ugly. I have seen worse :huh: I'm getting used to it. :glare:

I did not mind the looks too much- I just wanted a little more power, and the fact this pipe knock off almost 20+ pounds does not hurt at all. Now with no cat in the pipe, and no EXUP, the bike runs even better.

I recently read some interesting info about the EXUP system and it basically said it was there this year as much for sound control at lower speeds as for low end power ...so if that's true it only makes sense that a less restrictive system should make more power, at least somewhere in the RPM range.

But, Oh! ...there is yet more recent controversy about the new FZ1's performance. Ivan and others who are doing some intensive Dyno testing claim the bikes fuel and ignition maps actually restrict total horsepower output in the lower gears supposedly to help keep that front wheel on the ground. Ivan goes on to explain that the maps don't let the bike make full power until it's in 4th gear. The jury is still out on this issue but it could have an interesting outcome.

Boy, when that news was released in the FZ1 forums it started a whirlwind of very negative comments towards Yamaha. Unjustified in my opinion.

I'm not sure where I stand on the whole reduced power thing. My bike feels so strong from a dead stop onward that I really don't have the need for more. Anyone with the skills can make her wheelie easy enough, and besides, there are times you really need to keep that front wheel planted during full throttle, like when passing, or blazing those switchbacks while an RV is over the double line coming right toward you.

Also, as much as I like the idea of making it lighter and more track capable, like most owners I bought mine for the street and the stock exhaust actually sounds very good but not so obnoxious that the neighbors will call the law on me every time I fire it up. Now the roar from the intake at full throttle ...that's another story. At 10 grand I'll bet you can hear this thing coming from a mile away. Oooops ...I probably shouldn't have said that!

This new FZ1 is a great bike, with or without mods, and would make anyone a nice sport companion to the FJR.

Roger B)

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