FJR AE Info

[bigdolma]

Does this come with batteries?

 

[Rogue]

Does this come with batteries?

We won't know untill some one can read the box it comes in. :bleh: :bleh:

 

[Bounce]

BTW, I am describing this correctly, aren't I? When you engage the clutch, the gears mesh and when you disengage the clutch, the parts don't clutch each other and therefore the gears don't mesh. Duh?

iirc when you "engage the clutch" (synomyn for "engage = "connect") the tranmission will be connected to the engine. disengaging the clutch ("dis" - connect) would mean that the transmission is disconnected from the engine.

how the AE works will depend on the design engineers perception of the task at hand.

at rest (no power):

do they put the clutch basket to "work" by stretching the springs to disengage the transmission from the engine? that means the design may put the clutch to work when the rest of the bike is at rest. a "normally open" clutch would require a "normally closed" relay to pass current to the system and place a drain on the battery and stress the clutch spring during times of shipping and storage.

or do they put the clutch basket at a state of "rest" by relaxing the springs and allowing the clutch plates to engage (connect) the transmission to the motor? a "normally closed" clutch would require a "normally open" relay that would break the circuit between the electronic clutch and the battery when the rest of the bike is "off"; reducing drain on the battery and stress on the clutch springs when not in use.

LOOK! Over there! Llamas!

 

[FJRocket]

BTW, I am describing this correctly, aren't I? When you engage the clutch, the gears mesh and when you disengage the clutch, the parts don't clutch each other and therefore the gears don't mesh. Duh?

iirc when you "engage the clutch" (synomyn for "engage = "connect") the tranmission will be connected to the engine. disengaging the clutch ("dis" - connect) would mean that the transmission is disconnected from the engine.

That's what I thought. Just trying to keep the terminology straight. Disengaging the clutch is like pulling the lever or pushig in the pedal. It disconnects the driving parts from the engine. Got it.

Now if I could only see those llamas.... :blink:

 

[yamaholic]

'05 REKLUSE clutch WR250F. Can you say AUTOCLUTCH?!

How do you like? I tried a friends YZ450 with this feature about 2 years ago and thought it was cool, but I didn't have a chance to get used to it to form a solid opinion.

We'l have to get together to go trail riding sometime.

 

[jestal]

Got to touch and feel the AE at the motorcycle show at Novi Michigan (Detroit area) tonight.

With the key off and no power to the bike the clutch seems to be "engaged".

You cannot move the shift drum with the key off. Hope I didn't break their toy trying to move it...LOL. The shift arm on the shift drum that is moved or racheted to effect the shift is solidly connected to the solenoid that moves it and you cannot manually override it so trying to engage gears or shift with the key off manually looks to be impossible.

The clutch is actually still a hydraulic clutch and is hydraulically actuated. There is an electric solenoid that acts on the "master cylinder" to effect clutch action. So it appears that the automatic shift function is done purely with addon parts for the clutch actuation and shift drum motion.

 

[twowheelnut]

Got to touch and feel the AE at the motorcycle show at Novi Michigan (Detroit area) tonight.
With the key off and no power to the bike the clutch seems to be "engaged".

You cannot move the shift drum with the key off.  Hope I didn't break their toy trying to move it...LOL.    The shift arm on the shift drum that is moved or racheted to effect the shift is solidly connected to the solenoid that moves it and you cannot manually override it so trying to engage gears or shift with the key off manually looks to be impossible.

The clutch is actually still a hydraulic clutch and is hydraulically actuated.  There is an electric solenoid that acts on the "master cylinder" to effect clutch action.  So it appears that the automatic shift function is done purely with addon parts for the clutch actuation and shift drum motion.

Hmmm...

The AE they had in Long Beach was definitely in neutral when I sat on it... So I guess you can leave it in neutral when shut off. Either that or they had it rigged?

 

[BrunDog]

I think it is important to remember that the transmission & clutch is essentially the same as the A and historical models.

The difference is the clutch slave cylinder is pressurized by a computer controller master, and the gears are shifted up/down by a electromechanical actuator (solenoid, linear motor, etc).

The only time energy would be used would be in the process of pressurizing the clutch cylinder. There would not be any significant current drain to hold the clutch disengaged.

-BD

 

[jestal]

The one at the Novi show was in gear and would not roll when I tried it. I couldn't get the shift drum to move enough by trying to move it manually to get it into neutral.

 

[Toecutter]

The one at the Novi show was in gear and would not roll when I tried it.

They probably decided to leave it in gear so some knucklehead (like that guy in Long Beach) wouldn't accidentally roll it off the display stand.

 

[twowheelnut]

The one at the Novi show was in gear and would not roll when I tried it.

They probably decided to leave it in gear so some knucklehead (like that guy in Long Beach) wouldn't accidentally roll it off the display stand.

I had half a thought to fire it up and go for a test ride 'round the floor... the keys were zip tied below the IP. B)

 

[tripletango]

What Rogue said. It has a foot shifter, but the thing just pushes an electric  button, more or less. It's not mechanically directly linked to the gear box. So dead battery would mean dead in the water. Hmmmm. Can you say JUMPER CABLES?
Interesting that the gear light flashes to tell you when it's ok to downshift. Guess that means SMOOTHLY downshift, or maybe so as not to eat up the clutch? I hope I can learn to rpm match and catch it. I like engine braking.  Wonder what RPM the gear light starts blinking?

OK, waiting for more info, thanks.

Won't allow you to shift into a gear which will damage the engine. For instance it will prevent an over rev if you shift from 5th to 3rd at 150!

 

[Toecutter]

For instance it will prevent an over rev if you shift from 5th to 3rd at 150!

Not to mention a hell of a rear wheel skid!

 

[Bike Effects]

Won't allow you to shift into a gear which will damage the engine. For instance it will prevent an over rev if you shift from 5th to 3rd at 150!

Due to the breaking of the shift drum, I did high speed (100 MPH plus) downshift that went directly to 1st gear on my R1. Trust me, it was REAL exciting!

 

[tripletango]

About the only problem I see is if the battery is flat and you want to move the bike you will need power to disengage the clutch if you have left it in gear. In addition power will be needed to start the bike.

When you stop the bike before rolling off you simply leave it in a gear you select for take off which usually is first. You have to change up and down with the box as usual. If you stop in 5th you start in 5th. Now if you are stopped and want to get to first from fifth then Tony has the answer.

If you want to park the bike or you prefer to stop at a light and move the box to neutral just do it. Neutral is the first position as opposed to being between 1st and second.

When rolling off just grab a handful and hang on but remember to change gear or you will be roaring along in first on the limiter. Flip your foot up and you get 2nd or select bar paddles and do the same with the paddle shifter. Same changing down. In both cases the computer will match rpms between engine and gearbox. The shift sequence you select result in shifts that are made in microseconds.

 

[Vulcan]

I checked out the new 06 yesterday at the bike show....

Likes

- The heated grips and the location/size of the controller

- The look of the guages/dash

Dislikes

- Seat (ugly material)

- Mirrors (look kind of big/bulky)

- The new silver color

- Price.....fairly large jump

 

[tripletango]

I was told that the bike can be upshifted with the throttle pinned, but you have to back off the throttle to downshift. The bike will not go into gear if the engine rpm is too high unless it is the warm up cycle that the computer introduces at startup.
Tony

Ah now that's new info. I had a thread going - pin the throttle and flick it into first - would the computer allow that.

There will be no rev to 5 grand and drop the clutch to light up the rear!

Cancel my order for the AE !!

Belay that my rear tires will last a lot longer.

 

[tripletango]

one other thing sorry. If you are stopped and in 5th gear, why can't you roll on and off the throttle just a little which will engage disengage the clutch as you flik down to 1st and neutral if you want it.

This will be similar to the manual bike's operation for getting down the box when stopped