FJRF003.1: Ignition Switch

[canyonman]

Dealer A says they have done a few ignition recalls already and the do not drill out the security screws. They use the new key that comes with the new ignition switch. He says the kit comes with a package of tumblers and they use the tumblers to change out the tumblers on the saddle bags and seat lock and Yamaha trunk so that you end up with one key that fits all the locks. It is a new key. Dealer A says it took about 4 hours but Yamaha only allows 1 hour.

Help me out here guys is it even possible to replace the electrical portion of the switch that's causing all the problems without drilling out the security screws?

 

[happyPuppy]

I had mine done last Friday and it took almost exactly 1 hour. One key solution too.

 

[Geezer]

Help me out here guys is it even possible to replace the electrical portion of the switch that's causing all the problems without drilling out the security screws?

They have to drill out the security screws on your original switch to get the lock cylinder out. The new switch should come with the security screws loose so they can be removed and reused after they install your old lock cylinder. Take a look Brodie's thread, post #25.

 

[FJR919]

I also have a '08 and I had the recall done. I asked about the key and was told they would use the old tumbler set and I would end up with the same old key. When I picked up my bike that's what I receive. Same old key with new switch with a red stripe on top of it.

The red stripe signifies the clear plastic shipping protecter is still on. The instructions say to peel it off when the job is completed.

For the previous posts where dealers are quoting 4 hours- that's scary. I can see an hour and a half if you're not careful centering the punch for drilling out the security screws, but not much more. And the post where the dealer said it didn't come with a tumbler? A complete lock assembly with keys are shipped to the dealer. The difference with this recall kit is that the breakaway screws holding the lock cylinder are lightly screwed in; thus they still have the breakaway philips head on to allow unscrewing the new ignition assembly.

I know these facts because I was there and "participated" in the replacement.

 

[ShawnKing]

I don't have my recall letter handy, but I am sure in the letter Yamaha states that you will only have one key.

Yup - and yet my idiot dealer *still* insists that's not the case. They tell me I'll end up with separate keys but "I can go to a locksmith and have them rekeyed to one...". This is going to get ugly.

I asked them to order the recall part (*after* I had to tell them about the recall itself) over a week ago. Even though they had recall switches in hand for bikes on the floor (they weren't sure what to do with them...). Unbelievable.

 

[FJR919]

Shawn,

Who is your dealer? I live close to Danbury. I don't think you're dealing with Danbury Powersports because I know they know the proper procedure. Try them and you'll be pleased. Chris

 

[smokeFJR06]

Having an 06 and a previous failure, I had a new switch installed in 07 at my expense. I ended up with two keys which really isn't a big deal but would have preferred only one. Unfortunately, I didn't keep the original switch and tumbler....which could now be installed in the recall switch....my mistake.

Has anyone that had a new switch already installed before the recall got theirs replaced yet with the recall? If you had two keys, do you have one or two now after the recall?

Sounds like I'll still have two keys when all is said and done, but curious.

Smoke

 

[Jim Dandy]

Okay, I contacted my local dealer here in NY. Due to weather considerations, they have not ordered any parts, nor had a chance to do a recall yet. I asked about having them swap over to the heli-bars at switch replacement, but he did not know the details of the recall, so he would not comment on doing the swap.

My concerns are this: if something happens (scratch of tank or something similar) the dealer could blame the swap out for the triple tree, and not cover the item.

Am I better off just doing the triple tree swap myself after the recall? This way if anything happens, I can hold the dealer accountable. I also have no problems doing the swap, I would just need to get a new socket for the steering head (46mm?).

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Jimbo

 

[Auburn]

Having an 06 and a previous failure, I had a new switch installed in 07 at my expense. I ended up with two keys which really isn't a big deal but would have preferred only one. Unfortunately, I didn't keep the original switch and tumbler....which could now be installed in the recall switch....my mistake.
Has anyone that had a new switch already installed before the recall got theirs replaced yet with the recall? If you had two keys, do you have one or two now after the recall?

Sounds like I'll still have two keys when all is said and done, but curious.

Smoke

I had to have a lock set re-keyed to match the bike when I put the top box on (previous owner didn't keep the spare that comes with the bike)

It only cost $30. Might be worth taking it to someone to get back to one key. I did only take him the lock cylinder and the key I wanted it to match. 10 minutes and he was done.

 

[JamesK]

Okay, I contacted my local dealer here in NY. Due to weather considerations, they have not ordered any parts, nor had a chance to do a recall yet. I asked about having them swap over to the heli-bars at switch replacement, but he did not know the details of the recall, so he would not comment on doing the swap.
My concerns are this: if something happens (scratch of tank or something similar) the dealer could blame the swap out for the triple tree, and not cover the item.

Am I better off just doing the triple tree swap myself after the recall? This way if anything happens, I can hold the dealer accountable. I also have no problems doing the swap, I would just need to get a new socket for the steering head (46mm?).

Any suggestions?

Thanks,

Jimbo

If you plan to do the Helibar swap yourself, I would recommend saving yourself the job of drilling out the security screws again, by asking the stealer to either not brake off the security bolt heads or use the bolts provided with the Helibar kit.

 

[BulletBrad]

I don't have my recall letter handy, but I am sure in the letter Yamaha states that you will only have one key.

Yup - and yet my idiot dealer *still* insists that's not the case. They tell me I'll end up with separate keys but "I can go to a locksmith and have them rekeyed to one...". This is going to get ugly.

I asked them to order the recall part (*after* I had to tell them about the recall itself) over a week ago. Even though they had recall switches in hand for bikes on the floor (they weren't sure what to do with them...). Unbelievable.

Shawn, give me a call if ya want us to do your bike. I have 6 sets of switches on hand as of lastnight. Shoot, I'll even give ya a cup of coffee on me if you bring the donuts! ;&lt Oh and I GAR-EN-TEE you will still have your original key to turn on your bike.

 

[ShawnKing]

I don't think you're dealing with Danbury Powersports

I am.

because I know they know the proper procedure.

They didn't know it when I talked to them about it more than a week ago. They still didn't know it when I went in again this past week...And regardless, they *still* haven't gotten the parts in.

 

[ShawnKing]

Shawn, give me a call if ya want us to do your bike.

I'd love to but another issue has come up - the right side saddle bag lock mechanism has sheared itself off and "jumped out" of the saddle bag - there's just a hole there now where the lock used to be. I've got the bag zipped tied shut and it's functionally useless.

That's why I was back in Danbury Powersports more than a week ago (after having been in there the Monday before that to tell *them* about the ignition recall). They have since (supposedly) ordered the ignition switch (which they supposedly had ordered the week before) and the lock mechanism. They have said that there would be a different ignition key (they showed me the switches they had been sent by Yamaha - they in fact had a different key already in the switch) and now that the saddle bag lock had to be replaced, possibly a different key for it too.

So I could conceivably end up with three separate keys for the bike.

Yeah - that ain't gonna happen.

Shoot, I'll even give ya a cup of coffee on me if you bring the donuts! ;&lt

LOL When I come up, I *promise* to have doughnuts in hand - but they won't be the good Canadian ones. You'll be stuck with those yucky American Dunkin donuts.

Oh and I GAR-EN-TEE you will still have your original key to turn on your bike.

If it weren't so cold (and my Garmin gloves worked) I'd be on the phone with you right now. I'm giving Danbury Powersports one more shot at this (but only because they are a 10 minute ride from my house) - if they haven't called me by Monday to tell me they can get this work done ASAP, I'm coming up to see you.

 

[KnuckleHead]

Ok mine gets done Friday the 20th! Handle bar risers present any problems?

Had mine done last weekend with risers (not to mention a Zumo, radar detector, Garmin XM puck and a crapload of wires running everywhere) and all came back as it was. No problems at all.

 

[vroompuppy]

I don't have my recall letter handy, but I am sure in the letter Yamaha states that you will only have one key.

Yup - and yet my idiot dealer *still* insists that's not the case. They tell me I'll end up with separate keys but "I can go to a locksmith and have them rekeyed to one...". This is going to get ugly.

I asked them to order the recall part (*after* I had to tell them about the recall itself) over a week ago. Even though they had recall switches in hand for bikes on the floor (they weren't sure what to do with them...). Unbelievable.

Yer right Shawn,

I just had my switch replaced this AM and when the tech gave me my "new" set of keys I looked at him with a puzzled expression and reminded him that "the letter said....". The response of the service mgr - priceless - "you can always get a locksmith to....."

Our dealer service folks must have trained at the same "train an idiot" school! :angry03: :angry03:

I won't have time to follow up `til next week, but it's not something I'm gonna let drop.

VPup

 

[Fred W]

I don't have my recall letter handy, but I am sure in the letter Yamaha states that you will only have one key.

Yup - and yet my idiot dealer *still* insists that's not the case. They tell me I'll end up with separate keys but "I can go to a locksmith and have them rekeyed to one...". This is going to get ugly.

I asked them to order the recall part (*after* I had to tell them about the recall itself) over a week ago. Even though they had recall switches in hand for bikes on the floor (they weren't sure what to do with them...). Unbelievable.

Yer right Shawn,

I just had my switch replaced this AM and when the tech gave me my "new" set of keys I looked at him with a puzzled expression and reminded him that "the letter said....". The response of the service mgr - priceless - "you can always get a locksmith to....."

Our dealer service folks must have trained at the same "train an idiot" school! :angry03: :angry03:

I won't have time to follow up `til next week, but it's not something I'm gonna let drop.

VPup

Ask them to read steps 14 through 21 of the dealers instructions (pages 5-6).

 

[tripntx]

Just returned from Texas Yamaha South, NASA Rd 1 in Houston. They did an ignition switch recall, installed my Helibars riser plate, and performed a throttle body sync. Ignition switch was free of course, they installed my riser plate for free since the original one had to come off anyways to perform the ignition switch recall, and only charged $35 for the throttle body sync (tank was already raised for the ignition switch recall). Glad I had them sync'd because they were out of spec, 3 were reading 25 and 1 was reading 20.

I offered the Technician a $20 tip, but he wouldn't take it.

 

[FJR919]

I don't think you're dealing with Danbury Powersports

I am.

because I know they know the proper procedure.

They didn't know it when I talked to them about it more than a week ago. They still didn't know it when I went in again this past week...And regardless, they *still* haven't gotten the parts in.

Shawn, who did you speak to at Danbury? I told them about the recall before it came out. Tony the parts manager knew this, Dave, the "defacto" service manager knew about this as well. I can assure the owner would want to know if disinformation is being given out. Let me know, Chris.

 

[k7lvo]

What's the chance of getting a PDF of the instructions?

 

[FJR-Pilot]

Does anyone know the correct part number for the new ignition switch? I had the ignition switch failure on my 2007 Gen II in November 08 and took the bike into the shop for repair. Yamaha sent them a a replacement switch p/n 5PS-82501-10-00 gratis. Speaking to my dealer - he says this is the correct replacement under the recall but I just want to be damn sure before I go riding off into the sunset.

The part number called out in the dealer's recall procedure is 90891-30058-00. But that is more than the switch. It is the switch (with attached harness), 2 anti theft bolts (so you can swap the lock cylinders to retain 1 key functionality), 1 zip tie and 2 rubber screw covers (to retain waterproof-ness). Anyone that wanted to "do-yer-own" switch recall upgrade could order that part number and follow the dealers instructions.

For just the switch alone part number, one of two things will happen. Either the 5PS-82501-10-00 part number will be obsoleted and upgraded to a new part number to represent the new type switch assembly, or Yamaha will purge all stock of the old part number and retain the same number going forward. I would expect them to do the former as it is far easier to track. At present, the same part number is being shown in the online parts fiche.

Background: I called my local Yamaha shop last week to see if they installed the "recall" ignition switch when they repaired my ignition switch failure back in December 08. The service manager gave me a thumbs up and said I got the recall ignition part. But I did not get a "warm fuzzy" from him when I asked what the recall part number was and what the old part number was (he couldn't produce). That's when I hung up and decided to call Yamaha myself. Glad I did because the dealer used an ignition switch that was issued prior to the recall. What a slack-ass moron. The service manager worked really hard to convince me he knew what he was talking about and that I was safe. I already almost got killed once and this guy was taking a 2nd whack at it. F-ing Jerk.

Anyway. Just got off the phone with Yamaha Corporate and they confirmed the part my local Yamaha dealer (jerk off) installed on my bike in December is NOT the right part. Additionally the Yamaha rep said even if the dealer somehow got the right part (which he didn't) the local dealer MUST fill out the "recall application", submit it to Yamaha Corporate for their records, AND the VIN on the frame neck must be stamped indicating the repair was made. None of which was done to my bike.

This is the proverbial 3rd strike for this dealer. I'll be heading to the one 32 miles away from now on instead of them.