Gen 3 ES Suspension

[greysabor]

I took the wife out last weekend for the first time. I forgot to change the electronic suspension and notice the rear felt soft in the suspension. The next day we went for a 4 hr ride and I changed the suspension to two up with luggage. It was great no softness at all. It was like no one else was with me. I really like the electronic suspension. This was the first time I really used it, and it really makes a difference.

 

[Bounce]

https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php/topic/150102-avoiding-doubletriple-postings/

 

[steveoreno]

Trying to not be a hater!

(wishing mama Yama had come out with the electronic suspension in 2013.)

 

[wheatonFJR]

My '13 did just fine on a recent two up trip to BC...and did just as well at EOM solo, loaded or unloaded.

 

[jammess]

Maybe I'm wrong but if you have Yamaha electronic suspension and you wanted to replace with a Wilbers shock you wouldn't be able to replace with anything but the Yamaha unit?

 

[HaulinAshe]

Maybe I'm wrong but if you have Yamaha electronic suspension and you wanted to replace with a Wilbers shock you wouldn't be able to replace with anything but the Yamaha unit?

If you have Yamaha ES suspension and you want to replace it with anything different, you've bought the wrong bike. Sell it.

The ES suspension has a HUGE range of settings and adaptability to various conditions. It's not perfection in all cases, but if you start with setting the appropriate preload BEFORE the bike comes off the stand, the rest is variable on the fly.

 

[mcatrophy]

... the rest is variable on the fly.

Except for the +/-3 adjustments on the damping settings .

 

[jammess]

Maybe I'm wrong but if you have Yamaha electronic suspension and you wanted to replace with a Wilbers shock you wouldn't be able to replace with anything but the Yamaha unit?

If you have Yamaha ES suspension and you want to replace it with anything different, you've bought the wrong bike. Sell it.

The ES suspension has a HUGE range of settings and adaptability to various conditions. It's not perfection in all cases, but if you start with setting the appropriate preload BEFORE the bike comes off the stand, the rest is variable on the fly.

That's what I thought. To each his/her own but I like choice. Think I'll stick with my GEN2, less complexity from suspension to tupperware remove/install.

 

[Redfish Hunter]

You never know you needed it until you have it. Then you find you really needed it all along.

 

[Fred W]

I don't know any 3rd Gen ES owners that now wishes they had saved $1000 and gone with an A model so they could spend > $1500 on aftermarket suspension to get them close to an ES (still no USD forks) and have a non electronically adjustable suspension.

 

[Oublaj]

I owns 16 ES and I really like the electronic adjustability. I still would like to re-valve and re-spring the shock. That would be ideal. Shock is to undersprung for my tastes.

 

[Dunk43]

I love my 2015 es. Just today I came up on a big pothole with no time to dodge it and going way to fast but the es kept me upright.

 

[Heen]

Grays Harbor,

If you go to PNW Tech day next week end there will be plenty of people for you to have discussonw with about suspenions settings. (I enjoy my ES)

 

[redneckj]

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Grays Harbor,<br />

If you go to PNW Tech day next week end there will be plenty of people for you to have discussonw with about suspenions settings. (I enjoy my ES) </p></blockquote>

There might be a couple of people with some suspension input

 

[Fred W]

I owns 16 ES and I really like the electronic adjustability. I still would like to re-valve and re-spring the shock. That would be ideal. Shock is to undersprung for my tastes.

A re-spring may be possible, but that would result in the shock damping being messed up (too much compression and too little rebound). The one downfall of the ES system is that the fork's compression and rebound damping are not individually adjustable. If I felt a need to, I'd see if there is a way to index the two adjusters somehow to accomplish that.

I'm curious why you think it is under-sprung in the rear, especially living in the northeast, land of a billion potholes.

I would assume that you are looking to quicken the turn-in? Have you tried upping the pre-load to 2-up or 2-up plus luggage to steepen those steering angles?

I find the rear spring is a good compromise for me solo at 225 lbs, and still works quite well (with some added preload) with my ~100 lb wife on the back.

 

[redneckj]

I owns 16 ES and I really like the electronic adjustability. I still would like to re-valve and re-spring the shock. That would be ideal. Shock is to undersprung for my tastes.

A re-spring may be possible, but that would result in the shock damping being messed up (too much compression and too little rebound). The one downfall of the ES system is that the fork's compression and rebound damping are not individually adjustable. If I felt a need to, I'd see if there is a way to index the two adjusters somehow to accomplish that.

I'm curious why you think it is under-sprung in the rear, especially living in the northeast, land of a billion potholes.

I would assume that you are looking to quicken the turn-in? Have you tried upping the pre-load to 2-up or 2-up plus luggage to steepen those steering angles?

I find the rear spring is a good compromise for me solo at 225 lbs, and still works quite well (with some added preload) with my ~100 lb wife on the back.

Can you lower the Forks a couple of mm in the triple tree? That would help turn in as well. If you cant, you can always run a 190/55 rear tire.

 

[El Toro Joe]

I'll keep my ES...works fine for me.

 

[Fred W]

Who has the highest mileage to date on a 3rd Gen w/ ES?

Has anyone yet felt a need to rebuild your ES Suspension?

Has anyone actually done anything about it?

(I think these follow-up questions are on topic and belong here. If not we can split it into a new thread)

I'll answer first:

I only have ~23k miles on mine, and it still feels just as good as the day I bought it. Maybe better with the better tires on it.

 

[wheatonFJR]

Griff has a bunch...mebbe 50, 60k?