madmike2
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That link and the related videos provides a lot of very good information. :clapping:
Hanging Off
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Dr. Rich
Arrested Development
Hanging Off !!!!!!!!!!
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Same reason (increased margin for evasive action) that I typically approach blind corners from the right hand side of my lane -- another something that exists on the street (probability of a brain dead/cell phone texting cager coming other way and over the yellow line) but isn't an issue on the track.
All I'm gonna say on this oft-abused NEPRT subject.
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ahchiu
FJR Commander
It's more than just hanging off the bike, it's setting up your bike to fall into the turn and having your suspension set going into the turn and also having the little margin to tighten up the turn if needed.
Wanderer
Well-known member
I think that's kinda the point... It applies to all bikes but especially a big [SIZE=8pt]heavy[/SIZE] ST rig that has low hard parts, hanging off allows the bike to stay in a more nuetral center so sand, ice, rocks, critters, etc. are managable should you intersect. Emergency maneuvers on a 650lb (or more) bike aren't as quick as on a 410lb R6. Using body english to steer a bike like that allows a rider to survive when riding 6/10ths turns to 10/10ths instantly. Were he in a deep lean with little leftover, 8/10ths becomes 12/10ths.
I've even gotten my pillion (wife) to shift her upper body to help. Lemme tell you, when both of us lean in, the bike practically stays dead upright. I tell her its to help with the CoG for dirty roads or tour packing, but I think she's starting to realize that when we 'we start leaning in' we ride much more spirited
chivvalry
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johnny80s
Turtle Gears
Brodie
Darksider #16 - and Proud of it !
Hans,
Thanks for bringing this up, it makes us all think about our technique.
My first time "hanging off was on my Ascot years ago after reading Keith Code's book. I didn't know what I was doing and ended up in the guard rail on an expressway off ramp. Needless to say, it was a long time before I even thought about doing it again.
I tried it a few times on my '90 Venture (my 850 lb. sport bike) but it never felt comfortable. I was able to hold my own up in the hills in San Mateo with that beast. Being tall and heavy (6'6" - 230 lbs.) helped me leverage it through the turns. Whats fun was riding in the hills pulling my trailer.
I didn't start doing it on my AE until about a year ago. I installed some StompGrip on the sides of my fuel tank which gave me excellent anchor points. I don't move much, I don't point that knee down against the tarmac on the inside of the turn. Before starting the turn I move up against the back of the tank and slide the inside knee into the pocket formed by the fairing lowers. This rotates my hips toward the inside of the turn. That, coupled with leaning forward and inside, bending my elbows, and correcting only with my inside hand (after the initial steering input) seems to work quite well for me. I attended Lee's lecture at the Hub a couple of times at the San Mateo CycleWorld show last month. He gave me quite a number of pointers to work on.
---> Always Learning <---
I will say this... after several speeding tickets through the years, it's beginning to dawn on me... You don't have to go fast to have fun - but, at the posted speed limit (white w/ black lettering), you don't have to slow down much in the turns either. Smooth is what I'm after. So what if I hang off in the turns and officer friendly spots me. If I execute the turn well, and come out at the posted speed limit - he's got nothing on me. I get my jollies in the turns, and am able to collect my thoughts in the connecting straights - while setting up for the next one. Like Hans said, it's not for speed as much as for control - safety.
You don't have to hang off in every turn either, just an exaggerated torso lean to the inside of the turn works wonders. This is just one more tool in the rider skills tool box.
[SIZE=12pt]FJR - What a neat platform with which to play on! :yahoo: [/SIZE]
Perhaps this year I will attend a Lee Parks class.
[SIZE=14pt]Merry Christmas Everyone![/SIZE]
Brodie
Thanks for bringing this up, it makes us all think about our technique.
My first time "hanging off was on my Ascot years ago after reading Keith Code's book. I didn't know what I was doing and ended up in the guard rail on an expressway off ramp. Needless to say, it was a long time before I even thought about doing it again.
I tried it a few times on my '90 Venture (my 850 lb. sport bike) but it never felt comfortable. I was able to hold my own up in the hills in San Mateo with that beast. Being tall and heavy (6'6" - 230 lbs.) helped me leverage it through the turns. Whats fun was riding in the hills pulling my trailer.
I didn't start doing it on my AE until about a year ago. I installed some StompGrip on the sides of my fuel tank which gave me excellent anchor points. I don't move much, I don't point that knee down against the tarmac on the inside of the turn. Before starting the turn I move up against the back of the tank and slide the inside knee into the pocket formed by the fairing lowers. This rotates my hips toward the inside of the turn. That, coupled with leaning forward and inside, bending my elbows, and correcting only with my inside hand (after the initial steering input) seems to work quite well for me. I attended Lee's lecture at the Hub a couple of times at the San Mateo CycleWorld show last month. He gave me quite a number of pointers to work on.
---> Always Learning <---
George,
I will say this... after several speeding tickets through the years, it's beginning to dawn on me... You don't have to go fast to have fun - but, at the posted speed limit (white w/ black lettering), you don't have to slow down much in the turns either. Smooth is what I'm after. So what if I hang off in the turns and officer friendly spots me. If I execute the turn well, and come out at the posted speed limit - he's got nothing on me. I get my jollies in the turns, and am able to collect my thoughts in the connecting straights - while setting up for the next one. Like Hans said, it's not for speed as much as for control - safety.
You don't have to hang off in every turn either, just an exaggerated torso lean to the inside of the turn works wonders. This is just one more tool in the rider skills tool box.
[SIZE=12pt]FJR - What a neat platform with which to play on! :yahoo: [/SIZE]
Perhaps this year I will attend a Lee Parks class.
[SIZE=14pt]Merry Christmas Everyone![/SIZE]
Brodie
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Ironic.... How is all ya'lls form? Really.
I see most of our very own forum members avatars, showing them in a turn, pretty low, and they are NOT hanging off (there maybe one or two max, avatars showing the riders hanging off). Or just from shots in the ride reports. Interesting.... Yet so many say they do it for safety, etc. yet I see no evidence of it. Butts look firmly planted on the center line of the seat. Videos shot from others on rides, same thing. Maybe it's not a safety issue. Maybe you are using other body english and counting it as hanging off. Maybe my definition is not the same for "haning off."
I remember talking to a track phototgrapher years ago. He said, "It's funny. Many comments I get from riders is, "WOW! I thought I was a lot lower, or I thought I had really good form here". But the pictures show otherwise." Looking at my pix he took of me, I agreed. He did have ways of making you look real low, etc. Those photographers.
Just sayin'.....
Merry Christmas!
BTW - It's FRIDAY!!!
I see most of our very own forum members avatars, showing them in a turn, pretty low, and they are NOT hanging off (there maybe one or two max, avatars showing the riders hanging off). Or just from shots in the ride reports. Interesting.... Yet so many say they do it for safety, etc. yet I see no evidence of it. Butts look firmly planted on the center line of the seat. Videos shot from others on rides, same thing. Maybe it's not a safety issue. Maybe you are using other body english and counting it as hanging off. Maybe my definition is not the same for "haning off."
I remember talking to a track phototgrapher years ago. He said, "It's funny. Many comments I get from riders is, "WOW! I thought I was a lot lower, or I thought I had really good form here". But the pictures show otherwise." Looking at my pix he took of me, I agreed. He did have ways of making you look real low, etc. Those photographers.
Just sayin'.....
Merry Christmas!
BTW - It's FRIDAY!!!
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El Toro
Innocent Bystander
I missed it if someone else mentioned it, but I have seen guys who would hang off in the counter direction so that they could lean lower for show and impress the unwashed masses.
Hey - It is Friday, but its also Christmas!
Hey - It is Friday, but its also Christmas!
exskibum
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Ironic.... How is all ya'lls form? Really.
I see most of our very own forum members avatars, showing them in a turn, pretty low, and they are NOT hanging off (there maybe one or two max, avatars showing the riders hanging off). Or just from shots in the ride reports. Interesting.... Yet so many say they do it for safety, etc. yet I see no evidence of it. Butts look firmly planted on the center line of the seat. Videos shot from others on rides, same thing. Maybe it's not a safety issue. Maybe you are using other body english and counting it as hanging off. Maybe my definition is not the same for "haning off."
I remember talking to a track phototgrapher years ago. He said, "It's funny. Many comments I get from riders is, "WOW! I thought I was a lot lower, or I thought I had really good form here". But the pictures show otherwise." Looking at my pix he took of me, I agreed. He did have ways of making you look real low, etc. Those photographers.
Just sayin'.....
Merry Christmas!
BTW - It's FRIDAY!!!
It NEVER fails. Ever. Each and EVERY time this topic comes up, it's a near certainty that it will quickly include a lecture about street hooliganism and then turn into a phallus measuring contest.
Merry Christmas and a happy Friday, mini units and track studs alike.
Many threads start with a lecture. More lecturers jump in. Lecturers lecture each other.
Humility and humor work better,...... I think.
Not sure, though.
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madmike2
Shtirrenuppenmeister
Yebbutt...sor some of us, hanging off isn't proper cornering form....it's the last step before: "Oh dang....keerash!"Many threads start with a lecture. More lecturers jump in. Lecturers lecture each other.
Humility and humor work better,...... I think.
Not sure, though.
(Or, in SkooterG's case: Dirt..sky..dirt..sky..Oh dang!)
Let the lecturing continue!
Mebbe the intent here is to cause is to try something different to prevent two steps I mentioned above.
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yellow wolf
Well-known member
i can only speak of what i know and thats a wing
plain and simple at deals gap as an example i can do a 12 min run hanging off and a 14 min run sitting up,,,,thats all i need to say thanks for reading
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charismaticmegafauna
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If memory serves, King Kenny Roberts was one of the first (if not the first) to popularize 'hanging off' in a corner -- it worked for him. But then, he was kind of a 'revolutionary' (might still be...?).
Before Roberts motorcycle road racing was full of 'form' with riders all following each other "in line astern" and 'looking good'. Kenny proved that there were faster -- if not so 'pretty' -- ways around a corner.
There is probably physics to prove the advantages of 'hanging off'? Although, purists may still want to corner like 'Mike the Bike' and 'Ago'.
It's all good (and..., there may be a few other, even more important, aspects to good/proper/fast cornering...?).
But, sticking that inside knee out, into the corner, can't hurt...
Before Roberts motorcycle road racing was full of 'form' with riders all following each other "in line astern" and 'looking good'. Kenny proved that there were faster -- if not so 'pretty' -- ways around a corner.
There is probably physics to prove the advantages of 'hanging off'? Although, purists may still want to corner like 'Mike the Bike' and 'Ago'.
It's all good (and..., there may be a few other, even more important, aspects to good/proper/fast cornering...?).
But, sticking that inside knee out, into the corner, can't hurt...
yellow wolf
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