HELP! 2007 will not start

[rushes]

I just hope the buddy you thought you were going to help out appreciates the **** road you're riding down...

 

[sath182]

Is there a club signature pic for learning this the hard way? Something like a timing chain wrapped around a broken stopwatch? I wonder how many of us would have one.
FWIW, You made the same mistake I did, not removing the oil pump cover. Only mine having been a Gen1, I was able to ride it for a couple of months before finally tearing back in as a last resort to solve my idle/fueling issues. I guess that really does prove the superiority of Gen1s.

Well, I would have ridden it if it STARTED!

I didn't take it off, because I used the rear tire to rotate the engine in 5th gear. If there were no adjustments required I wouldn't have had to mess with that cover.

I can appreciate that. I didn't want to have to buy another part if I didn't need to. Ended up spending 3x more figuring it all out. live and learn.

 

[Intech]

I just hope the buddy you thought you were going to help out appreciates the **** road you're riding down...

Well I am fortunate that she is a very patient friend. This bike is going to look awesome once it is all back together.

And I don't consider it a "**** road" at all. It was a great learning experience. I followed the FSM and have everything set. Just need confirmation from the collective here for POM.

 

[Intech]

Is there a club signature pic for learning this the hard way? Something like a timing chain wrapped around a broken stopwatch? I wonder how many of us would have one.
FWIW, You made the same mistake I did, not removing the oil pump cover. Only mine having been a Gen1, I was able to ride it for a couple of months before finally tearing back in as a last resort to solve my idle/fueling issues. I guess that really does prove the superiority of Gen1s.

Well, I would have ridden it if it STARTED!

I didn't take it off, because I used the rear tire to rotate the engine in 5th gear. If there were no adjustments required I wouldn't have had to mess with that cover.

I can appreciate that. I didn't want to have to buy another part if I didn't need to. Ended up spending 3x more figuring it all out. live and learn.

Funny thing is, what would/should I do differently in the future? Maybe use 2 wire ties/ea on the cam chain sprockets? Still not sure how it happened. One thing I know I will do is remove the side cover EVERY time, so alignment marks can be checked prior to closing up.

 

[rushes]

I just hope the buddy you thought you were going to help out appreciates the **** road you're riding down...

Well I am fortunate that she is a very patient friend. This bike is going to look awesome once it is all back together.

And I don't consider it a "**** road" at all. It was a great learning experience. I followed the FSM and have everything set. Just need confirmation from the collective here for POM.

I don't mind learning experiences as long as it's my bike.

When it's someone's else is when I feel pain.

That's all I was sayin...

I need more friends like her...

 

[TownsendsFJR1300]

Actually, if you didn't have to adjust, it wouldn't have been an issue, the side cover, everything would have stayed taught.

When having to adjust a shim, one cam has to come out, so zip tying is NOT needed, but the side cover needs removal (for alignment purposes.) and the CCT of course needs to come out....

What caused your particular issue was the chain dropped one tooth at the crank which isn't unusual with all the slack... Your only boo was not re-checking marks before buttoning up. You should be good now....

 

[RaYzerman19]

It must be pure luck, but any time I (we, at tech days) have removed the right cover, and always managed to get the gasket off in one piece, but we do have a spare gasket at the ready.

When looking for timing marks, I get down to eye level with the top of the head and gunsight along it with a strong CREE flashlight. Usually can see them OK, but admittedly it isn't the easiest.

 

[Intech]

Well Sports fans...after putting the straight edge on the casing it appears that the exhaust cam is off. I need to rotate it forward a tooth. Here we go again......

 

[TownsendsFJR1300]

Well Sports fans...after putting the straight edge on the casing it appears that the exhaust cam is off. I need to rotate it forward a tooth. Here we go again......

Is there enough slop in the chain to remove the CCT and rotate the cam W/O removing?

You can also remove the Intake sprocket from the cam (cam chain loose, CCT REMOVED), rotate the cam slightly and re-install the sprocket in correct position...

A lil easier than pulling the entire cam...

 

[Intech]

Well Sports fans...after putting the straight edge on the casing it appears that the exhaust cam is off. I need to rotate it forward a tooth. Here we go again......

Is there enough slop in the chain to remove the CCT and rotate the cam W/O removing?

You can also remove the Intake sprocket from the cam (cam chain loose, CCT REMOVED), rotate the cam slightly and re-install the sprocket in correct position...

A lil easier than pulling the entire cam...

I am going to try and do it without removing the cam.

 

[Fred W]

Yes, there is enough slop to work the chain around the sprocket when the CCT is removed. Not sure there is with just the CCT plunger retracted, but I'd give that a shot first.

But... are you sure that only the exhaust is off a tooth? You originally said that you had the chain ty-wrapped to the cam sprockets, but didn't remove the timing cover. So, the thought was that the chain skipped a tooth at the crankshaft sprocket, in which case both of the cams should be off by the same amount and in the same direction.

Make sure that the chain it tight between the exhaust cam and crank and all slack is in the CCT side of the chain when checking alignment marks

 

[Intech]

Yes, there is enough slop to work the chain around the sprocket when the CCT is removed. Not sure there is with just the CCT plunger retracted, but I'd give that a shot first.
But... are you sure that only the exhaust is off a tooth? You originally said that you had the chain ty-wrapped to the cam sprockets, but didn't remove the timing cover. So, the thought was that the chain skipped a tooth at the crankshaft sprocket, in which case both of the cams should be off by the same amount and in the same direction.

Make sure that the chain it tight between the exhaust cam and crank and all slack is in the CCT side of the chain when checking alignment marks

At this point I am not sure where I initially went wrong. Yes, only the exhaust cam is off. The intake is dead nuts using a starrett straight edge. The exhaust cam sprocket arrow is about 1/4" below the straight edge which is about one tooth space. I know all the slack should be on the CCT side. I will try to make the adjustment without taking the CCT out. Hell it was able to get out of place with the CCT installed, so I should be able to do it.

 

[sath182]

I assume this is how your cams are positioned.

I've been mulling over this trying to think of a way to get around taking the cams out. Getting the intake in time with the exhaust using chain slack is easy. Getting the exhaust in time with the crank when it's the only thing out is another story, and is probably easier to remove the cams. I don't think there is enough room between the exhaust sprocket and the chain guide to let the chain slip a tooth around the sprocket.

I don't know about you, but I hate taking the retaining caps off all the time so if there is room, you'll have to first get the chain off the intake rotate it forward 1 tooth, then move the chainslack forward over the sprockets so that it's engaging 1 tooth forward of where it was. This'll ****** both cams 1 tooth when you pull the slack out of the front by rotating the crank forward. Make sure you don't loose a tooth on the crank.

If that doesn't get you back in time, then out come the cams.

When you get it in time, if your cam markings are slightly ******** looking with the crank at TDC, then you're good. Stop there and put it together.
Back of intake,

Front of Exhaust,

 

[Intech]

Thanks!

 

[LCB]

I just hope the buddy you thought you were going to help out appreciates the **** road you're riding down...

As I'm sure some have guessed, it's my bike that Intech has been working on... I asked Bob if he would help me out and he has gone over and above all my expectations - WAY the **** over in fact. He made several suggestions regarding things he would check and I told him to do whatever it needed, as if it were his bike. He also had specific instructions to bail on this project at any time if he wanted or needed to. This entire adventure has been on his time-frame and he was to tell me what, if anything, I was to do to help him out (which usually means just get out of the way).

As time has permitted, I have been trying to keep his beer fridge full, his Kentucky Bourbon supply diverse and his bank account reimbursed for any expenditures. I admit I'm behind schedule in my promise of chocolate chip cookies (I owe him a metric shitload now) but I hope to make amends very soon. He and Janet have allowed me to take up space in his garage for an unknown amount of time and I am extremely grateful.

I know we all make jokes about "FYB" but he is a true stand-up guy and I don't know where I, or my bike(s), would be without him. It will take me a long time to pay back such a generous friend. So, thank you Bob and thanks to all the forum members who have been there to help him along when problems came up. I owe you all a few beers.

PS: as Bob has mentioned, this bike is gonna be the **** once it's all back together - just wait... and I owe a huge thanks to Garauld as well but I was gonna wait for the big unveiling, in a separate thread so stay tuned!

 

[El Toro Joe]

Lisa, maybe since Bob and I are not going riding this weekend, He'll finally get your bike put back together and running, so that you can unveil the final product. Looking forward to seeing what color you went with.

Maybe you need to get him one of these...https://www.noisebot.com/of_course_im_right_im_bob_t-shirt.htm

 

[LCB]

That's all his ego needs... besides, I think he likes Bourbon, beer & cookies better.

This is only LCB Project #1... wait 'til y'all see project #2! He's already drawn blood on that one...

 

[Intech]

That's all his ego needs... besides, I think he likes Bourbon, beer & cookies better.
This is only LCB Project #1... wait 'til y'all see project #2! He's already drawn blood on that one...

You just gotta quit breaking things, though!!

 

[RaYzerman19]

I heard it was the new '16 colour and Yamaha is waiting for you to launch it first..........

 

[Powerman]

"Maybe you need to get him one of these...https://www.noisebot....bob_t-shirt.htm"

Not the shirt I would recommend???