How it Happens... OUCH!

[Geezer]

Well, at least there is video of the crash so the car driver can't try to BS his way out of it.

 

[meosborn]

Too quickly? You mean for like a dry road during the day? And at 35mph, thats what a sudden stop would look like. Not a slam, but don't be making apologies for ******* cell phone yakkin morons who shouldn't be allowed outside the "home" much less on our roads.

If you can't stop in time for something that gets in your way (no matter who's fault it is) then you must be going too fast. The driver in no way should have made that turn with a bike approaching but it was hardly a quick turn. If you can't keep aware enough to anticipate those types of things happening, especially on what looked to be a 2 lane suburban road, then I would say that something like this is likely to be in your future as well.

I mean come on, you can point fingers all day, but if you aren't riding slow enough to avoid these things who cares who's fault it is, you're still the one in the hospital.

Sorry, too many people worrying about who's fault things are and not how to fix the problem these days. If this was a forum that reached people like the person driving that car it would be one thing.

 

[RadioHowie]

If you can't stop in time for something that gets in your way (no matter who's fault it is) then you must be going too fast.

and

I mean come on, you can point fingers all day, but if you aren't riding slow enough to avoid these things who cares who's fault it is, you're still the one in the hospital.

Undoubtedly the stupidest things I've read on this forum outside of yanktar's never ending Bush-bashings.

I guess everyone who was ever injured/killed by a dog or deer jumping in front of them was at fault for "going too fast"? That's your position? Must be....that's what you just wrote above.

I can't even conjur words to describe the stupidity of these comments.

Monumental stupidity comes close.

 

[meosborn]

I guess everyone who was ever injured/killed by a dog or deer jumping in front of them was at fault for "going too fast"? That's your position? Must be....that's what you just wrote above.

Personally having hit a few furry woodland creatures I would have to say that there is a considerable difference between an animal jumping out of the bushes onto the road and an oncoming car turning left in front of a motorcycle.

Not to mention the fact that I never said anything about the rider being "at fault".

My point was (even if it was poorly explained), be careful out there and if you're worried about who's fault it was it is too late. Whatever, ride safe.

RadioHowie, after reading a couple of your posts on a political thread I was under the impression that you were a pretty reasonable guy. Three stupids in one post? I guess I'm just too much of a young punk and I haven't learned how to argue with such intelligence yet.

Man, sometimes these things remind me of the Special Olympics poster.

 

[skyway]

Man, sometimes these things remind me of the Special Olympics poster.

Uhh, this one? :blink:

 

[RadioHowie]

Personally having hit a few furry woodland creatures I would have to say that there is a considerable difference between an animal jumping out of the bushes onto the road and an oncoming car turning left in front of a motorcycle.

But it's exactly the same thing...an animal jumping out of the bushes...a Camry jumping over the centerline. Watch the video again. And again. And pay attention to the timeline. The Camry crosses the centerline far enough to be a threat to a motorcycle at the 12 second mark. The bike crashes into the Camry at the 13 second mark. So even if the bike's only going 35 mph, which would probably be the legal speed for a mixed commercial/residential area, he has only 51 feet to stop before hammering into that Toyota. 51 feet ain't enough when that big plastic and steel bunny jumps out of the left lane bush into your riding path.

Not to mention the fact that I never said anything about the rider being "at fault".

Sure you did. Shall I quote you again?

If you can't stop in time for something that gets in your way (no matter who's fault it is) then you must be going too fast.

If that doesn't lay equivalent blame on the biker for his speed, then what did you mean?

My point was (even if it was poorly explained), be careful out there and if you're worried about who's fault it was it is too late.  Whatever, ride safe.

I believe this IS what you meant to write. And the amateur psychologist in me says you didn't mean it the way you originally wrote it. Remember, the "Edit" button is your friend.

RadioHowie, after reading a couple of your posts on a political thread I was under the impression that you were a pretty reasonable guy.  Three stupids in one post?  I guess I'm just too much of a young punk and I haven't learned how to argue with such intelligence yet. 

Okay, so I got a little carried away. And I'd like to think I am fairly reasonable. But to suggest slowing down would avoid hospital trips when a car turns in front of you, which is the #1 killer of motorcyclists, is a bit shortsighted. Taking the logic one step further would involve parking the bike and never leaving the house.

 

[meosborn]

Uhh, this one?

Yeah, that one.

But heck, I'll run.

But to suggest slowing down would avoid hospital trips

Yeah, avoid, not eliminate. Look, what I am suggesting is using a little bit of self examination. You can't control what other's do around you, only what you do. What do you do when you are riding down a road like the one in the video? Do you just ride along and assume that the other vehicles are going to see you? I sure as heck don't. Assuming that the other driver is going to do something stupid is what has kept me alive in a number of situations.

None of this is aimed at relieving the driver's of the other vehicles of any of their responsibility. That is their issue and I can't do anything about it. I've never been one to sit around yelling about someone elses behavior and think it will change.

Remember, the "Edit" button is your friend.

Edit button... Whatever, I meant what I wrote both times and if you don't like the way that it sounded then edit this you old fart!!

It is fun to let loose every once in a while. :tease:

 

[RadioHowie]

Well, it all comes down to this.....

Bush lied about how quickly that guy could stop his bike. It's all W's fault.

Again.

 

[OrangevaleFJR]

you know, I don't get stuff like this very often at all. I have seen a left in front of me, but it was super easy for me to avoid. I have, however, had many, many times where I avoided stuff like this by predicting what drivers were going to do and taking action. Before they did it, I made sure I was in a safe place and it happens without too much excitement. It's hard to tell from the limited view, but it seemed to me that the rider wasn't paying attention at all either.

Yah, the cager should look, no doubt, but being the guy on two wheels I tend to try to take safety into my own hands instead of trusting other drivers. At least that way I can blame myself when I get slammed.

The second video of the racer on the moped is pretty interesting. He pulled right into traffic without looking, went across two lanes then decided to play running of the bulls with a car. Idiot. Neither of those videos bodes well for how smart riders are.

 

[meosborn]

you know, I don't get stuff like this very often at all. I have seen a left in front of me, but it was super easy for me to avoid. I have, however, had many, many times where I avoided stuff like this by predicting what drivers were going to do and taking action. Before they did it, I made sure I was in a safe place and it happens without too much excitement. It's hard to tell from the limited view, but it seemed to me that the rider wasn't paying attention at all either.
Yah, the cager should look, no doubt, but being the guy on two wheels I tend to try to take safety into my own hands instead of trusting other drivers. At least that way I can blame myself when I get slammed.

The second video of the racer on the moped is pretty interesting. He pulled right into traffic without looking, went across two lanes then decided to play running of the bulls with a car. Idiot. Neither of those videos bodes well for how smart riders are.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

There RH, I took care of it for you.

Well, it all comes down to this.....
Bush lied about how quickly that guy could stop his bike. It's all W's fault.

Again. 

You channelling Yanktar?

 

[RadioHowie]

Stupid, stupid, stupid.  There RH, I took care of it for you. 

Dude....Thanks! I'm pretty busy and your help's appreciated.

"Well, it all comes down to this.....
Bush lied about how quickly that guy could stop his bike. It's all W's fault."

You channelling Yanktar?

Nah...parrotting YT is pretty simple. I just let my mind go blank......

and leave it that way.