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Posting this back up, because-

1) The bug hasn't gone away, and

2) Reading the "What did you do with your FJR today?" Thread made me feel ...unworthy.

 
I'm a one bike guy, but my brother just brought an XDiavel S. His main ride is a K1600GT. The Ducati is certainly not heavy, sluggish, or poor handling. The bike is a riot to ride.

Try it, you'll like it!

 
I have been riding for over 40 years and never owned a Harley. I had ridden a friends 2001 Road King and found it to have wooden brakes, poor handling, and just plain no fun. Well, I moved to East Tn where almost everyone rides the damn things. I decided to rent a 2016 Street Glide Special to see what all the fuss was about, maybe they had improved over the years. 3 hours into the rental ride I had seen twisties, switchbacks so tight I saw my own taillight, sweepers, and a bit of highway. Enough to know that the H-D brand has indeed stepped up their game since 2001. I now own a 2016 Street Glide Special in addition to my 2006 FJR with 136,000 miles with not one issue and a 2012 Suzuki Vstrom 650 which I rode from Fort Lauderdale to Deadhorse Alaska. I thought about the Victory line but a friend bought a Cross Crountry and then took the Ride Like A Pro course and two days later had to replace the clutch so that was crossed off my list. I looked at Indians but really did not like the look of their "Iconic" front fender. I do not know if any of this helps but it was my experience. YMMV

 
My other bike is BMW k1200lt. I use it for when my wife and I go somewhere together as she does not like riding on the FJR.

 
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I'm a one bike guy, but my brother just brought an XDiavel S. His main ride is a K1600GT. The Ducati is certainly not heavy, sluggish, or poor handling. The bike is a riot to ride.
Gotta be honest, my wallet's not going to go for anything out of Bologna, unless it's designed for the track...nah, not even then.
I have been riding for over 40 years and never owned a Harley. I had ridden a friends 2001 Road King and found it to have wooden brakes, poor handling, and just plain no fun. Well, I moved to East Tn where almost everyone rides the damn things. I decided to rent a 2016 Street Glide Special to see what all the fuss was about, maybe they had improved over the years. 3 hours into the rental ride I had seen twisties, switchbacks so tight I saw my own taillight, sweepers, and a bit of highway. Enough to know that the H-D brand has indeed stepped up their game since 2001. I now own a 2016 Street Glide Special in addition to my 2006 FJR with 136,000 miles with not one issue and a 2012 Suzuki Vstrom 650 which I rode from Fort Lauderdale to Deadhorse Alaska. I thought about the Victory line but a friend bought a Cross Crountry and then took the Ride Like A Pro course and two days later had to replace the clutch so that was crossed off my list. I looked at Indians but really did not like the look of their "Iconic" front fender. I do not know if any of this helps but it was my experience. YMMV
The big valanced fender isn't my cuppa either. The Scout's front fender looks too short at the top, so (If I lose my mind and buy one) I'd have to look aftermarket for something that looked better...but it's actually become less obvious to me, so... But it was my June test ride on the Scout that started this problem. I'd ridden a Harley a long time ago, and had a similar experience as yours. I got off the Scout after 45 minutes or so and said "Well, that didn't suck." And the problems started.
My other bike is BMW k1200lt. I use it for when my wife and I go somewhere together as she does not like riding on the FJR.
. BMW might take a dim view of classifying the LT as a "cruiser." Of course, I don't think they liked the nickname "Light Truck," either.
 
I've owned a lot of bikes over the years, more than I care to count, but I've never owned a cruiser. The whole genre just doesn't make sense to me as a motorcycle, and that's before you add in all the foolishness expected from the rest of that crowd.

When I think about cruisers I ask: how would that bike do anything better than an FJR?

Don't take me wrong. I am a firm believer in multiple bikes being the key to motorcycle happiness. But they need to fill a different need, be a different enough tool, for me to want to add one to the stable. IMO, it isn't enough to just be different from each other. It's about being better at something.

So for a second bike, I can see wanting a sport bike (will handle much better than an FJR), or a land barge (Gold Wing) for luxury touring, or an adventure tourer, dual sport or dirt bike for the obvious reasons of being better in the unpaved areas. But I just don't see what any cruiser, including an Indian Scout, is going to do any better than your FJR.

 
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Well, Fred W, you're exactly right. I can't think of anything a Scout would do as well as the FJR. Or as well as the GS. Or (in it's niche) as well as a sportbike. I've ridiculed cruisers as long as I can remember, and my riding sensibillities are much more practical than they offer. Can't 'slplain the interest, but it's there.

My wife is considering submitting me for psych evaluation...

 
I'll throw in my perspective as a longtime cruiser rider, one who has yet to get a FJR...but plans to. I grew up riding on the back of my Dad's bikes in the '70s -- Honda CL and CB 350s and 500s -- and then graduated to my own bikes with, first, a Honda SL70 (and, later, a XL125 and XL250) when I was a kid, then a Yamaha Virago and Honda Magna in the early '80s. Took some time off riding, then picked up a Vulcan 900 and now ride a '12 Triumph Thunderbird 1600, a "muscle cruiser" (as some magazine articles have named it) that is largely considered atypical of cruisers, not only in its parallel-twin design and somewhere-between-feet-forward-and-standard-position foot pegs but, arguably more important, the frame geometry and whatnot that makes for an incredibly -- comparitively-speaking -- nimble cruiser:

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The graduation from classic Hondas to the current cruiser platform was, for me, a natural one...unlike the sportsbikes and other Transformer'ish-looking bikes that have only grown in number, there was an aesthetic progression from those early, simple models to the current cruiser platform that made sense...for some/many of us, cruisers looked like what motorcycles should look like, for those of who grew up in the '70s and had those classic Hondas imprinted on our minds. Even now, even with my plan to join the FJR family, the cockpit-like front end of the FJR gives me pause, as it covers my view of the road beneath in the lower front area and makes me feel a bit disconnected from the road, from the ride. Feel odd, not quite right.

All that said, my plan (after lusting after the FJR for a couple years) is to pick up a leftover '16 next summer. The six-speed change was the finally straw that broke my resistance. After a lifetime of classics and cruisers, it's finally time for something different, something a bit lighter, something even more nimble and fast and offering storage, something that, I think, will suit the kind of longer-distance riding I plan to do in the years ahead. While I'm not a Harley fan for a variety of reasons, I'm certainly not an aplogist for cruisers nor do I think they need an apologist...I love my TBird, and I think cruisers are by and large a terrific option for many (as evidenced by their sales numbers in comparison to all other types of bikes). If I had the garage space and budget to have both my '12 TBird and a '16 FJR, I'd be all over that plan...unfortunately, I have neither, so the cruiser will have to give way to the sport tourer...not because the latter is necessarily better in my eyes, just that it has the features that I want at this point in my riding life. My bike after the FJR, which will likely be my last bike, if I project out another couple of decades, will probably be a Triumph T120 Bonneville, a true retro classic, like those old Hondas of my Dad's but now with modern engineering...and so it all comes around full-circle.

With regards to the OP, the Scout really caught my eye when it was first announced and came out, but having seen the fit and finish on some and, more to the point, the diminutive size of the thing, it wouldn't be the right bike for me; looked great on my 5'4" 16-year-old daughter, though, when we hit the IMS last year.

 
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Thanks for the post. The Scout is short, but relatively long. Powerful, light by cruiser standards, but still mid 500s. I'm not 5'4", but the reach is comfortable. I suspect that the saddle might not be.

As to your FJR quest, you'll probably be able to find an leftover '16 at a good price. If you're not married to the 6th speed (as many on here are not), you've got a world of options.

 
I don't have a cruiser and have never owned one. But if I were to buy one, what's caught my eye is the Moto Guzzi Califormia or Eldorado. Simply beautiful to me, but I've never ridden one. I like to have something a little off the beaten path and the Guzzis are definitely that, like the FJR is around here.

Joey.

 
I have a Shadow 1100. Slow as dirt. Dead reliable. Bought it new 17 years ago and has never been back to the dealership (self adjusting valves). It's a different kind of ride. Doesn't ask to be pushed. Riding within the speed limit is easy. Relaxing. Is a completely different experience from the FJR. I get that this doesn't compare to the modern, larger cruisers out there now.

Downside: Slow, feet forward makes the bumps go up my spine. Good for an hour, but no more. To the point where I'm starting to look at Valkyries. Always liked the look, bullet proof engine, 100 hp. Haven't ridden one yet.

Only one bike? FJR hands down. But everybody is different. I ride with a group that has zero interest in anything non-Harley. It's all good.

 
I have a cruiser now, VTX 1300. Had it for 2 years. Just bought my FJR last weekend. Had an 03 FZ1 all set up with givi luggage and set like a sport tourer, loved it had it for about 4/5 yrs. Sold it to buy the VTX, I like the VTX but after a while it gets boring to ride and it made me really miss the FZ1. When I bought the FZ1 I really wanted the FJR but could not afford it so I got the FZ1. Now I can afford the JFR so I got it. I'm going to keep the VTX for a while and see if I miss after riding the FJR for a while before selling it. The VTX was pretty cheep and in great shape, easy to maintain and cheap to insure. I set it up to fit me and I get a ton of compliments on it. I just dont see me using it on long rides anymore since I got the FJR. I'll keep it for a while and see how I feel. As far as someone else mentioned, I'd like to get a small flickable bike and that would be a Versys 650. All in due time.

 
I have had two cruisers (2003 Yamaha V-Star 1100, 2010 Harley Ultra Classic Limited). My Harley was a beautiful bike and I had absolutely no problems in the 4 years I owned it. I bought it mostly for my now ex-wife to be more comfortable because the 2006 FJR I had at the time was horrible for her even with a Russell seat. After about a year of riding the Harley she deciding she was not interested in riding anymore.
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I said fine, I'm going back to an FJR then. Sold the Harley, bought a 14 FJR. Got divorced, sold the 14 FJR for financial reasons. Bought a 16 FJR this year and now my new girlfriend loves to ride but the FJR won't cut it. We are doing a Tennessee trip mid September and I'm renting a 2016 Harley Road Glide Ultra for the weekend trip. We'll see how that goes but another Harley may be in my future. However, if I can afford it, I'm going to keep the FJR this time. We'll see.

Moral of all this nonsense above is; Two Up = Cruiser, Solo = FJR.

 
Well, by way of confession, I'm now the happy owner of an Indian Scout. Not the most hospitable place for a passenger, although there's a "seat" back there. It's also not designed to tour on, although apparently many make the necessary mods to do so. Funny that some of our SO's are uncomfortable on the FJR. Mrs. ny-baa rates the FJR's pillion appointments second only to our departed R90/6.

 
I always have joint pain when I ride the FJR. Right knee. Have always had a bottle of Advil in my glove box and took some at regular intervals.
With the Road Glide, I still have a frame mounted fairing. Lots of protection from the weather. No buffeting, no vibration. I removed the heel shifter, cuz that's just stupid. The bike is solid, comfortable and I can do hours upon hours without taking a single pain killer. No fatigue when we stop for the day.

That I have to bring locatite along for the little bits, is a small concession LOL

Norm's RG is 3 years newer than mine, and even smoother and comfier.

Next incarnation will be a pair of Rushmore RG's with the new engine and suspensions coming out on the 2017's

 
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I removed the heel shifter, cut that's just stupid.
If you've got gout in that big left toe, there are two remedies. An FJR AE (fast approaching extinction in the USA due to attrition since none have been imported since 2009), or a heel shifter. It is a harmless addition, and can allow you to keep riding even during an episode of gout.

 
When I think about cruisers I ask: how would that bike do anything better than an FJR?
For one thing, allow you to have a more upright riding posture and provide more leg room.

For another, allow you to run a Russell seat without looking like the seat is a tumor sitting on top of the bike.

For another, allow you to choose a really tall and wide windscreen, providing even more protection than is available with a touring screen on the FJR.

For another, allow your pillion even greater space and comfort.

For another, allow you to sport some chrome shiny bits and leather ... these would just look downright silly on an FJR.

I could keep going.

I like the FJR as an "only bike" choice. But there are a lot of things that my Rocket III Touring does that my FJR can't touch.

In a 30 mph to 60 mph 2nd gear roll on, they'll both pull your belly button through your backbone.

In an 80 mph to 100 mph 4th gear roll on, they'll both do it again.

If I go on a long ride, eventually my FJR gives me the feeling that I've been beaten about the head and ears. On the same ride, the Rocket III Touring leaves me feeling ready for end of ride activities.

I love the FJR, but the FJR is no cruiser. I love the Rocket III Touring, but the R3T is no sport tourer.

In the words of those great hippy summer of love philisophers, Crosby, Stills, and Nash, "If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with."

 
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So, which part of that was the cruiser doing something better?

"For one thing, allow you to have a more upright riding posture and provide more leg room."
Want upright? Get some bar risers.
More leg room? Russell gives you some, or get peg lowering kit, or highway pegs for multiple positions.
I have the latter, but don't need the former.

"For another, allow you to run a Russell seat without looking like the seat is a tumor sitting on top of the bike."
Gee, that's not totally subjective or anything. My Russell seat doesn't look like a tumor any more on my FJR than it would than on some abomination of a cruiser.

"For another, allow you to choose a really tall and wide windscreen, providing even more protection than is available with a touring screen on the FJR."
There are much wider and taller windscreens available for the FJR than I am willing to drag around. If those aren't enough, get a car. Talk about looking like a tumor...

"For another, allow your pillion even greater space and comfort."
Sounds like your pillion would prefer that car, or maybe an Old Wing.

"For another, allow you to sport some chrome shiny bits and leather ... these would just look downright silly on an FJR."
Let me let you in on a little secret: Those chrome shiny bits look silly on those cruisers too. The kool-aide doesn't let any of the cruiser riders lift the kimono.


My point in all of this is, the bike itself doesn't DO anything better. It may be more comfortable for you, but that isn't doing anything. That is just matching up with your unique physiology better (in the stock form) while under-performing in many other ways.

edit - It's always about picking whatever works best for you. I mean... some people don't even like bikes. ;)

 
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