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Life is short, ride what you want. (and what you can afford!!
Right on KJ, when I walk out to the garage I just flip a coin between my 2013 FJR and my 2012 K1600GT: Both motos turn me on!

Now when it comes to riding dirt in Mexico or riding to Alaska, I immediately turn to my BMW GS! Life's indeed short, just go ride!

 
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Life is short, ride what you want. (and what you can afford!!
Right on KJ, when I walk out to the garage I just flip a coin between my 2013 FJR and my 2012 K1600GT: Both motos turn me on!

Now when it comes to riding dirt in Mexico or riding to Alaska, I immediately turn to my BMW GS! Life's indeed short, just go ride!
Great minds think alike!

I'm sure your illigitamate bastard step-son will chime in on this one! :)

 
My boggle wasn't the price tag, it was the stunning number of hardly barely used bikes that were less than a year old. I have never seen a single model of any vehicle returned to the dealer in these numbers. Maybe Max is a regional broker, I dunno.

 
Life is short, ride what you want. (and what you can afford!!
Right on KJ, when I walk out to the garage I just flip a coin between my 2013 FJR and my 2012 K1600GT: Both motos turn me on!

Now when it comes to riding dirt in Mexico or riding to Alaska, I immediately turn to my BMW GS! Life's indeed short, just go ride!
Great minds think alike!

I'm sure your illigitamate bastard step-son will chime in on this one!
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KJ, I have let "Sir Crash-A-Lot" ride my 2013 FJR and El Pendejo Grande has ridden my BMW GS, he is not allowed on my K1600GT! jes' sayin' and nuff' said!

https://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2012-BMW-K-1600-GT-107056314 Please Note: There is only one used K1600 available in the State of Arizona.

 
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Soft suspension:

Baahh Humbug...

Most of us put a lot of miles on these things. My FJR soaks up bumps and tar strips and pot holes like a 600 pound vacuum cleaner. I have absolutely no complaints with mine. If it were made significantly stiffer I'm sure I'd be complaining. The suspension works perfectly for the type of riding I do, and I wouldn't change a thing.

Mama Yamma:

Here's one rider who thinks ya did just fine.

IONBEAM:

You said, "My boggle wasn't the price tag, it was the stunning number of hardly barely used bikes that were less than a year old. I have never seen a single model of any vehicle returned to the dealer in these numbers."

If you were a student in my class, I'd have put a huge gold star on your paper. That was brilliant, sir. Why should any moto-rag care about this? They're not forkin' out the cash at the dealer or later on at the repair shop. They measure one thing only. But those of us that have to pay for these toys know that dollar for dollar, you can't beat an FJR. And even if it did come in second because of a cruise control that won't allow you to break the law (geez, did I just say that on THIS forum?), or a suspension that's actually soft enough to render this bike a great touring mount.... it's STILL the best bike out there for my money. And for my money, the 05 is serving me just fine. It was cheap, it's paid for, it runs like a scalded cat, and I can spend my money on actually riding the thing...

Gary

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My boggle wasn't the price tag, it was the stunning number of hardly barely used bikes that were less than a year old. I have never seen a single model of any vehicle returned to the dealer in these numbers. Maybe Max is a regional broker, I dunno.
Somethings up with your dealer then. I just did a ebay search for 1600GT, 5 came up... all are demo models by different dealers. Not one private seller which only tells me one thing and is relative to my BMW forums. I have a friend looking for a GT and he thinks he will save loads by buying one used. He's having a tough time at least finding a "deal" and the far majority of owners will not give up their bike.

Sorry to steer my reply towards purchasing and price differences between the models; it was addressing the other post more-so than yours.

 
Check it out yourself.

MAX BMW Inventory

MAX is the biggest BMW dealership in the Northeast. They have three locations, one on the NH seacoast, one down near Hartford CT, and one just east of Troy, NY.

In their 3 store inventory they have 29 brand new K1600's in stock. And they have 12 used K1600's, none of which have more than 10k miles on them.

FWIW, the other smaller dealership in the area (Second Wind BMW) has two new K16's in stock and one used one (with 2500 miles on it).

 
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Seems like they got 10x more 2013's with 6 miles on them. (I filtered to just the GT).

Quite the (winter) inventory and if they don't bend on the pricing they will keep it.

 
Looking at the comments of the four men testing the bikes( off the record ), I see two of the four picking the FJR as all around best and one picking the FJR after the BMW. The fourth liked the C14 but would pick the BWM if he could come up with the money. The FJR was second to the BMW in 60-80 mph roll on test and second to the C14 in quarter mile time. Over all I think the FJR did pretty well. Throw in price and weight with everything else and I see the FJR as overall winner. As stated before the only fault I saw was the too soft suspension. Just my .02

Jim

 
Even Bob's doesn't have the Inventory that MAX has. They are the big volume guys. Funny thing is, they will sell them.

Personally, I would not ever do any business with them. They have a clear superiority complex.

 
Max seems to be able to turn over inventory. Heck, the same sales person can sell the same VIN K1600 two or three times in one riding season
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A recently deceased friend of mine was a BIG fan of Max and kept coming back for more. Even after his POS new BMW left him riding home on the back of his wife's Harley.

After getting back to his house I read the owners manual, diagnosed a defective ring antenna on his key switch. Plastic key in hand we went back and his POS new BMW started so he could ride it home. A short while later BMW issued a recall for the ring antenna across several models.

Edit: I see Fred and I were cross posting the same info.

 
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I really never understand why folks gives so much weight over what some other folks might think about their preferences in a motorcycle. The fact is these comparisons are nothing more than other folks opinions. So why worry about it? IMO, both the BMW and Triumph have too much of a tour bike behind them. When you sit on them, it seems like your looking out from behind a good size fairing. I personally like the smaller feel for a sport tour. So the IMO, the two almost full on tour bikes are not really sport tour bikes. So what are they comparing, Tour bikes that handle very good, or Sport Tour bikes than tour well also. But comparing two tours bikes that cost approximately $5-$10K more than the two sport tours is really a ludicrous comparison. Two tours bikes costing a lot more, loaded up with lots of unnecessary touring BS should win a touring shoot out. But the $25K BMW should be 2/5th's better than the two sport tours to win. (again IMO)
As far as the two sport tours. They are both great bikes. I have owned both. But I would had have taken the lighter, more nimble and less unnecessary BS of the old Gen II FJR over the any version of the Concours14. Now throw in the improvements and the C14 moves down the chain for me even more. I'll take the drivability of the FJR and it's 5 speed any day over the C14 with it's fairly lame stock low end power and 6 speed.

And after owning quite a few Kawasaki's (including a C14), I can tell you that the build quality of Kawasaki sucks compared to the FJR. But to be fair, fairing removal is much easier on the Kawasaki becuase of it. Don't get me wrong, the C14 is a great bike. I just never found it to deserve the praise the magazines give it. I personally find the old antiquated FJR to be a better bike. Maybe not as cutting edge in some aspects as the C14. But better in a lot of ways. And to be honest, I would buy a new Gen II FJR over a new Gen II C14 if the need arose. And that was before the updated FJR came into play. Now I'm thinking of upgrading to a 2013 from my 2010 FJR. But that's just my preference and shouldn't influence anyone. It's more about what works for you, not other folks.

So for what it's worth, I take these comparisons with a grain of salt. Because like almost everything with motorcycles. It's more a matter of opinions and preferences on almost every topic. So who cares what some pin head journalists think. I have also said basically these same things on Concours forums many times as well. Folks on all forums for some reason put so much stock in the opinion and preference of so few. I just can never figure out why folks care. As long as you like what you ride, that's all that matters.
Well said Cap'n Bob. I know you could list more reasons to support the FJR over the Concours. We vote with our wallets.

Conando
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Hmm? Lets ask "Fairlainer" on his soft suspension 2013 and whoever has the new Beemer to go for a little ride? Say 36, Fortuna to Mad River? The one who arrives last buys lunch! Richard don't even take your wallet!

 
Not sure why you guys keep calling it "the new Beemer" ? It's been out now for over 2 years.

If it's stock vs. stock, equal skill/driver you will need to handicap our Feej somewhat (AND for a whopping $10K difference what did you expect, equal?)

I know in sport mode within the GT, my FJR would get toasted. The GT (in SM) slices through gears so easily (I once thought my FJR was the cats ass at getting up to speed effortlessly but the GT is def better).

This has been debated many of times here and I believe Don S. has chimed in before to tell u all the 1600 isn't as much of a "big" beast as you may think. She plays light on center, quite nimble and very quick (don't even have to mention how smoooth). Not a sport bike by any means but in the ST world can hold her own very nicely.

Whats' very cool is this can at least be talked about here in this forum. On the K1600 forum it would clearly get laughed off the pages. Yeah, some of those guys r dicks with attitudes but I pay them no attention as I'm probably known as a rebel over there. I stick up for the Feej not because I have one but because they are very good at what they do for what they cost. Value is in the eye of the beholder (I hope!). ;)

In prior references to all this, it usually comes down to the $10K difference. You just can't beat the FJR for the bang for the buck. Let's leave it at that.

 
Hmm? Lets ask "Fairlainer" on his soft suspension 2013 and whoever has the new Beemer to go for a little ride? Say 36, Fortuna to Mad River? The one who arrives last buys lunch! Richard don't even take your wallet!
Chuy will race Fairlaner to the Top of Pikes Peak any damn time that he wants to, let's see Richard light up a fag at 14,115' elevation! jes' sayin' and nuff' said!

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So who will be taking the checkers at 14K feet?

U both better take ur Geritol but it sounds like a match! (nuff' said as Papa would say)

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I won't lie about this and I am not even ashamed. I am very jealous of Beemerdons having both the FJR and the K1600. I am sure if I had to I could be happy with the Kawasaki or the Triumph. But...I don't have to. For the money, the FJR is just very hard to beat.

 
Somethings up with your dealer then. I just did a ebay search for 1600GT, 5 came up... all are demo models by different dealers. Not one private seller which only tells me one thing and is relative to my BMW forums. I have a friend looking for a GT and he thinks he will save loads by buying one used. He's having a tough time at least finding a "deal" and the far majority of owners will not give up their bike.

Sorry to steer my reply towards purchasing and price differences between the models; it was addressing the other post more-so than yours.
Have your friend look at the K1600forum.com there's a few very low miles ones listed there.. there's one with 300 miles, a 2013 model..

I had one and I don't anymore... care to guess why?

(poor reliability...)

 
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