NASCAR vs AMA racing

[timk]

I saw most,if not all competiters on the grid for the entire red flag. I wonder if they were allowed to return to the paddock for major suspension,gearing changes etc. Another question are the engines in MotoGP the same size?

 

[FJR Flyer]

I think the MotoGP engines are the same size, with the bigger engines starting 2012.

 

[charismaticmegafauna]

...Another question are the engines in MotoGP the same size?

Current MotoGP engine size is 800cc (soon to be bigger, again) -- but, the formula allows for many different configurations in: number of cylinders/minimum weight/etc.

For instance: DiSalvo's Daytona winning Ducati 848 (Testastretta) Evo is a 140 HP "L" Twin while Ducati's MotoGP 800cc Desmosedici is a (around?) 200 HP V-Four.

 

[Stephen]

The real story

 

[MotorToad]

In the press briefing, we were all reminded of racing’s shrunken state. Nineteen heads were turned toward the three riders. When the talking was finished, there were no questions. Two people clapped. That was that. The racing was grand. Where is everybody?

Talking of the press conference after the superbike race.

 

[Randy]

I saw most,if not all competiters on the grid for the entire red flag. I wonder if they were allowed to return to the paddock for major suspension,gearing changes etc. Another question are the engines in MotoGP the same size?

They could have gone behind pit wall if they would have received approval from AMA or if they were directed behind the wall and accompanied by an offical. When DiSalvo parked on pit lane, at the time, they didn't know how long it was going to be before the race would be restarted, so, he was directed by the AMA to take his bike behind pit wall so that he wouldn't interfere with the restart. The entire time he was behind pit wall, there was an AMA official with his team. The other teams could have done the major suspension, gearing changes, etc on pit road during the red flag if they would have chosen to do so.

 

[Candyman]

I saw most,if not all competiters on the grid for the entire red flag. I wonder if they were allowed to return to the paddock for major suspension,gearing changes etc. Another question are the engines in MotoGP the same size?

They could have gone behind pit wall if they would have received approval from AMA or if they were directed behind the wall and accompanied by an offical. When DiSalvo parked on pit lane, at the time, they didn't know how long it was going to be before the race would be restarted, so, he was directed by the AMA to take his bike behind pit wall so that he wouldn't interfere with the restart. The entire time he was behind pit wall, there was an AMA official with his team. The other teams could have done the major suspension, gearing changes, etc on pit road during the red flag if they would have chosen to do so.

Teh Ducati machine went behind the wall for reapirs adn should have be placed back in the pack accordingly.

 

[Randy]

I saw most,if not all competiters on the grid for the entire red flag. I wonder if they were allowed to return to the paddock for major suspension,gearing changes etc. Another question are the engines in MotoGP the same size?

They could have gone behind pit wall if they would have received approval from AMA or if they were directed behind the wall and accompanied by an offical. When DiSalvo parked on pit lane, at the time, they didn't know how long it was going to be before the race would be restarted, so, he was directed by the AMA to take his bike behind pit wall so that he wouldn't interfere with the restart. The entire time he was behind pit wall, there was an AMA official with his team. The other teams could have done the major suspension, gearing changes, etc on pit road during the red flag if they would have chosen to do so.

Teh Ducati machine went behind the wall for reapirs adn should have be placed back in the pack accordingly.

There is no rule in the rulebook that supports the comment that Jason should have been placed at the back of the pack.

 

[MotorToad]

There is no rule in the rulebook that supports the comment that Jason should have been placed at the back of the pack.

Indeed, by the rules he should have started from the back of the pack. However, it's not really Latus's job to put the bike where it belongs, it's the AMA's job to place the grid. If I were a team I sure as hell wouldn't quote the rulebook to the sanctioning body when it was to my disadvantage, so I carry no grudge with the Ducati.

 

[Randy]

There is no rule in the rulebook that supports the comment that Jason should have been placed at the back of the pack.

Indeed, by the rules he should have started from the back of the pack. However, it's not really Latus's job to put the bike where it belongs, it's the AMA's job to place the grid. If I were a team I sure as hell wouldn't quote the rulebook to the sanctioning body when it was to my disadvantage, so I carry no grudge with the Ducati.

I disagree. I read the rules over and over and there is nothing in there that supports him starting from the back of the pack.

Please let me know which section states your interpretation.

https://www.amaproracing.com/assets/AMAPro-RR-2011-Rulebook.pdf

 

[pmspaul]

I disagree. I read the rules over and over and there is nothing in there that supports him starting from the back of the pack.

Please let me know which section states your interpretation.

https://www.amaproracing.com/assets/AMAPro-RR-2011-Rulebook.pdf

Thanks for the link, interesting read. I agree with you on the rules.

 

[timk]

I think the red flag could have been lifted, if all bikes were fitted with a new front tire that the race started on, then mandatory stops at half intervals, till the new ones were fitted. The flow of the race wouldn't have been interupted. This is assuming that the tire failures were at normal distance pitstops??????????. Were there failures early in a tire run????? I promise this is my last question. )

 

[Randy]

I think the red flag could have been lifted, if all bikes were fitted with a new front tire that the race started on, then mandatory stops at half intervals, till the new ones were fitted. The flow of the race wouldn't have been interupted. This is assuming that the tire failures were at normal distance pitstops??????????. Were there failures early in a tire run????? I promise this is my last question. )

A chunked tire was discovered on a bike that pitted on lap 9, I believe.

 

[rmcobb]

First, from the AMA's apparently unread rulebook

2.23 Red Flag Stops and Restart Procedures...

f. All machines brought to a pit box for service and approved for the

restart will start at the back of the grid behind all other machines

that did not require service, These riders re-grid positions will be

determined by their race position the lap preceding the red-fagged

lap and will be gridded in that order at the back of the feld

Yeah, not sure what rule book you're looking at, but that reference is not from the 2011 rule book. If you look at the 2011 rule book, paragraph 2.23 © (iii), it says nothing about being placed at the back of the grid after servicing during a red flag.

 

[Randy]

First, from the AMA's apparently unread rulebook

2.23 Red Flag Stops and Restart Procedures...

f. All machines brought to a pit box for service and approved for the

restart will start at the back of the grid behind all other machines

that did not require service, These riders re-grid positions will be

determined by their race position the lap preceding the red-fagged

lap and will be gridded in that order at the back of the feld

Yeah, not sure what rule book you're looking at, but that reference is not from the 2011 rule book. If you look at the 2011 rule book, paragraph 2.23 © (iii), it says nothing about being placed at the back of the grid after servicing during a red flag.

That was the 2010 rulebook. Does not apply here. Even if it did, since EVERY bike required service (changing front tires = service), then they would all start at the back of the grid. But, again, that was last year's rule, not this year's.

 

[MotorToad]

I disagree. I read the rules over and over and there is nothing in there that supports him starting from the back of the pack.

Please let me know which section states your interpretation.

https://www.amaproracing.com/assets/AMAPro-RR-2011-Rulebook.pdf

I didn't notice that was the '10 rulebook, but I'd have checked that if it was a rule I'd expected to have changed. They just added the red-flag stuff a couple years ago after guys were intentionally trying to cause red flags so they could get back into the race. There's a big gap between their red flag rules and common sense.

 

[Randy]

Herrin suspended 1 race, Graves Yamaha fined.

https://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=43765

In my opinion, it was the right call.

Here's the video for those who haven't seen it. If you pause it at :31 and look frame by frame to :33, you will see Westby (#5) actually trying to veer away from Herrin (#8) and Herrin comes down on him, hitting his brake lever and then all hell breaks loose.

 

[MotorToad]

Yeah, but after all the shit that Eslick pulled last year they're just now deciding that they can penalize riders? Ridiculous.

 

[wfooshee]

Eslick didn't actually knock anybody down, despite trying, did he?

 

[pmspaul]

Eslick didn't actually knock anybody down, despite trying, did he?

He knocked Herrin down at Barber last year. I thought something should have been done with Eslick for his riding in that race, and Herrin (I believe) was rightfully penalized for this incident.