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Well first let me say, I don't have a FJR, I went with the ST for reasons that were particular to me, I actually wanted to love the FJR so much, I preferred it on every way when compared to the ST, Power, looks, handling etc.. but I am very sensitive to vibrations and the FJR simply made my hands go numb, and I personally though the St would be more comfortable on long rides for my wife and I ,but I did recommend the FJR to my neighbor which he did later purchase one, it fits him perfect.
That being said, it's funny, I see on the ST sight, the Kawi forums and this sight, and I'm sure the beamer sights too, every one wants their bike to come in first, and if their bike does come in ahead in the review , it instantly gives them confirmation that they bought the right bike, after all it's the best one according to the magazine article, so they have instant bragging rights to say, you see I told you my bike is better than yours, now of course I can understand that every one wants their bike to win, it's the competiveness in all of us, but even when I bought my ST, I had seen reviews saying this one is faster, or this one handles better, but the bottom line is, I read these reviews and I pick out the bike that best fits my needs, not what the writers say is the best one, often the reasons they don't pick a certain bike to be the winner, might be just the reasons that I would find that, that might be the bikes that fits me the best. I also find that when ever magazines do reviews of Sport tourers, I think they concentrate way to much on the high performance aspect of the bikes rather than it's touring capability, it's no surprise to me that the Connie came out on top, did I mention it seems they often love what ever is new and different also? But I think most of us sport tourer riders are more mature than that, after all this isn't a test between a Hayabusa and a ZX14R where the fastest one in a 1/4 miles is the clear winner,, it's not that clear when it comes to Sport toureing bikes, it's more of a question of what are the most important aspects of a sport toureing bike to you? mine was long distance touring comfort for riding two up without going to a Gold Wing, not speed, handling or any thing else, if the reasons they picked the Connie were most important to me, I would have just kept my Hayabusa that I had set up for sport touring, it was a great bike, I think it was Tim Carithers ? (Motorcyclyist mag)who said in a S/T bike comparo once, if you need to cross several states in rapid time with the least amount of pain and do it as efficiently as possible than the Honda ST is the bike for you, while at the same time noting it was bland, wasn't as fast as the FJR etc.... that sold me on the ST and I'm very happy with it, but it could use more power, my only complaint.

I have not ridden the new Connie, it's a beautiful bike, but from sitting on it, I can tell it's still too sport oriented for an ST bike for what I need,

now lets just wait and see what the Suzuki Hayabusa derived sport tourer will be like???

You're only saying that 'cause your bike lost!! :p

Seriously...I know what you mean. I let a buddy ride my FJR while I rode his ST1100 one time and I didn't really care for the way the ST felt on the road. Hard to describe...maybe I felt like it rode "heavier"?....didn't like the sound either. He didn't like the heat from the FJR and thought the fuel injection mapping was off a bit. Neither of those bothered me that much. In Atlanta in the summer, unless you're in a car with the AC on, ANYTHING is gonna be hot. I think each bike is different (duh!) and that it takes a while to learn each bikes quirks and personality. That's why I think these bike reviews are questionable. It took me several months to really get used to the FJR...don't see how magazine writers could do it in the short times they get to spend with each bike.

Ray

 
I finally dropped the other shoe and picked up an 05 FJR. I had a chance to ride a new concourse and it felt a bit top heavy, the FJR seemed to handle a little better to me. 6th gear was nice.

 
<snip>BMW classifies the RT in their Touring, not Sport Touring model line (they sell the K1200GT and R1200ST for that).
Concerning the R1200ST: it appears , to me, to be hanging-out in some sort of "limbo" -- I've gotten various answers from dealers ranging from: "history" to "special order" to "maybe there are a couple sitting around in the country somewhere?".

What gives? :blink: :huh:

 
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Concours 14: visited a dealer the other day and saw one 'in-the-flesh' -- lots of bells & whistles (a'la BMW) -- sticker on the tank said use 90 octane minimum.

 
I havn't had a ride on the 14 but one thing I think looks like shit are specimen bottle brake and clutch reserviors. I also think the rear end complexity is unnessary, my old K1200rs had basically the same thing but I don't think there is that much benefit from it.

Also the "ribbed for her pleasure" side bags are a little over the top.

I'll stop now.......

 
I finally dropped the other shoe and picked up an 05 FJR.
Congrats! And welcome to the asylum. :rolleyes:

I had a chance to ride a new concourse and it felt a bit top heavy, the FJR seemed to handle a little better to me. 6th gear was nice.
I've never missed having an extra gear on my '05. Just twist that thing on the right!! :derisive:

 
Concours 14: visited a dealer the other day and saw one 'in-the-flesh' -- lots of bells & whistles (a'la BMW) -- sticker on the tank said use 90 octane minimum.
Was that 90 RON or was it 90 RON+MON/2 (aka pump octane)?

I'd bet it was the former. That would mean that regular gas (87 pump octane) is OK.
90 Octane at the pump - the tank is small and expensive to fill.

It's a very tall bike and the bags block the mirrors. The fit and finish is truly pathetic, weather protection is lacking by comparison and it appears to have a serious issue with ejecting side cases.

On the other hand it IS faster overall than the FJR and the OEM tire pressure monitoring system is neat (though it can be added to any bike).

As far as I'm concerned, it is overall a tossup between the FJR and the C14.

 
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Rode the ST13, saw the new Connie, and read the article. These bikes are so good that it really comes down to flavor. If you need the name and feel one with a Beemer, nothing else can do it for you. What got me was how close the FJR and C14 came out at the end. Like I said, it's about individual feel at that point. Heck, there are things about my 2004 FJR that I liked more than the 2007, and vice versa.

I did notice that Boehm chose to take the FJR home afterwards, though.

Bob

 
I was back in west virginia for another event for three great days this past weekend. One participant riding a new C14 Kaw walked over to me, and said "Is that one of the hot FJR year models?" I said yes, it is an 05. He said "If it is any hotter than this new Concours, you are more of a man than I am". Put a taller shield on the Connie, and I believe it will be unbearable.

I run two layers of foil covered bubble wrap under the tank, and go to a shorter shield in July/ August. I like my FJR, roasted chestnuts and all.

 
Well, I was thinking the "NewGen" FJRs (vs. the '08 C-14) because they lengthened the swingarm which slightly changed the handling dymnamics and the new fairing does a better job of heat/wind management (along with the few "adjustable" parts). But you're right because the bike is essentially unchanged since your "classic" model arrived on our shores.

 
Hey all,

What was the exact performance numbers that motorcyclist printed in regards to the bikes... 1/4 times and trap speed, top speed, 0-60, top gear rolls, weight, ect ect ect. How did the fjr's numbers compare to previous MC mag tests? Did they test abs vs abs and or which fjr A or AE? I agree that it would not be PC for the M/C sales and community to not give the new kid on the block a nod.. BUT.. It seems funny how these motorcycle magazine numbers seem to all differ depending on bike performance(not just regarding dyno runs either)and brand.........

WW

 
They had the C14 at 10.49 in the 1/4 @ 130 and the FJR at 11.02 at 125ish...But check the top gear roll on, and the FJR out gunned the C14 3.4 to 3.8...I want to know, and this is down to pure physics..How a bike that has the same HP and tq at the tire as my 1997 CBRXX had, yet weighs 700lbs vs. 550lbs that the XX did, runs about the same 1/4 mile time as the CBRXX..That dosent add up in my book...By weight alone it should be about 1 sec slower..So either the dyno numbers where wrong, or the 1/4 mile times where wrong...

 
I did notice that Boehm chose to take the FJR home afterwards, though.
You mean that Mr. I-like-everything-about-Honda (Boehm) didn't ride the ST1300 home?

My, my,my! :eek:

But check the top gear roll on, and the FJR out gunned the C14 3.4 to 3.8...
Which is exactly what should happen. Remember all of the FJR owners who complained the wanted a "taller" 6th gear? They did exactly that on the C-14, but at normal freeway speeds the engine is below the best torque range for "top gear". I wonder what the difference would be if they had the Connie in 5th....but then we'd want to drop the FJR to 4th and then....and then..... :rolleyes:

I like my FJR running exactly where it does at freeway speeds. No need to shift down, just twist on that right grip and go! But then I'm a "lazy" rider and at my advancing age, I like things simple. ;)

 
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Anybody notice that it's RED?

Does that mean they tested a Euro model?

 
They had the C14 at 10.49 in the 1/4 @ 130 and the FJR at 11.02 at 125ish...But check the top gear roll on, and the FJR out gunned the C14 3.4 to 3.8...I want to know, and this is down to pure physics..How a bike that has the same HP and tq at the tire as my 1997 CBRXX had, yet weighs 700lbs vs. 550lbs that the XX did, runs about the same 1/4 mile time as the CBRXX..That dosent add up in my book...By weight alone it should be about 1 sec slower..So either the dyno numbers where wrong, or the 1/4 mile times where wrong...
Kawwikid,

I think you are correct in your assumption. Something is wrong with those numbers...

INTERESTING...........

I wonder who was doing the clocking for the C14 Motorcyclist magazine test... It must of been someone with a Kawasaki check in their pocket ?.?.? Hahahaha... I smell a rat though... MCN tested the C14 and got a 11.34 1/4 mi time. Check it out:

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/bikerevi...0-2007-current/

This is another example of how certain mags have certain test results for certain bikes... A 10.49 1/4mi vs a 11.34 1/4mi is too big of a difference in corrected 1/4mi performance to claim to be accurate.

WW

 
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Shoot, PM, u kun reed? DANG!!! :eek:
Oaf curse Id cand reed. I ride da FJRd. Caunt yu? Id cand speal too cuz ma and MM2 gradueditted fram da sisexth grad. So dar. :p . Nowd huve ad niece dey. PM. <>< :D

 
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