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Cavy

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This may have been covered before but I just found out.

I was reading in NEPRTS about oil filters and descovered something I was not aware of. The factory Yamaha oil filter does not have a bypass valve in it. This caused me to look in the repair manual to see the way oil is dispensed throughout the engine. What I found is that from the oil pump the oil goes directly to a pressure regulating valve which dumps excess oil pressure back into the sump. The pressurized oil then goes to the oil filter (with no bypass) and then to the bearings and the rest of the engine. What this means is if the oil filter becomes restricted it will stop the flow of oil to the engine causing low oil pressure. In a normal engine this would cause the oil pressure switch to turn on a warning light to alert you. Except these engines are not equipped with a low pressure switch, only a low oil level switch. (At least I could not find one mentioned) This would allow you to be riding around with low oil pressure and not be aware of it because the oil level would still be ok. This would seem to be the best reason to use an aftermarket oil filter (with a bypass valve) that I could think of. At least then if the filter got restricted it should bypass and keep sending oil to the bearings. I am having trouble believing Yamaha would have let this slip by them. Am I missing something here?

 
Well, by counting the number of oil-related failures known to the forum membership, I would say it's not exactly an issue worth consideration.

 
Well, by counting the number of oil-related failures known to the forum membership, I would say it's not exactly an issue worth consideration.
I agree but consider the last area of the engine to get oil is the top end. Can you say "ticker"?

 
I agree but consider the last area of the engine to get oil is the top end. Can you say "ticker"?
The filter is NOT related to tickers. It IS related to a change in the valve seal stem design between Gen 1 and Gen 2.

Concur....there are far many other things to worry about than the stock Yamaha filter.

 
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I agree but consider the last area of the engine to get oil is the top end. Can you say "ticker"?
The filter is NOT related to tickers. It IS related to a change in the valve seal stem design between Gen 1 and Gen 2.

Concur....there are far many other things to worry about than the stock Yamaha filter.

I'm not saying there is a problem with the Yamaha filters or engines. Just that if a filter without a bypass became restricted it could cause a loss of oil pressure and without any type of oil pressure monitoring system you would have no way of knowing.

 
...loss of oil pressure and without any type of oil pressure monitoring system you would have no way of knowing.
In the sense that sunspots could be the cause of ticking....I suppose you could be right.

But here on Earth we know oil filters are NOT related because of extensive valve guide materials testing long before you were here (or the Gold Room actually), discussion with Yamaha representatives, and the fact the oil filters and engine are identical between Gens except for the ticking related to the valve seals. Zero tickers in Gen 2 and the only part that changed was the seal....and the filters remain the same.

So, yes, I and others do know.

 
Hmmmmm............

Absolutely no failures due to oil restriction in the filter - that we know of. Anyone care to relate their oil pressure failure experience? Has any forum member had a Yamaha oil filter grenade, or plug up?

Cavy, IMHO you're spending a lot of cycles on something that historical empirical data has shown to be of no consequence. But then, that's just my opinion.

EDIT - sorry I took so long to respond on this, but I was kind of 'studying' your avatar. :dribble:

 
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Cavy, how many plugged oil filters have you seen?

This is really a non issue. Use a filter that you like, use an oil you like, change it when you feel it's time.

 
Are we really having this conversation. :2handed: Its time to talk about something real. Anything is better than this.

 
Cavy really needs to post more often...you guys blew it by giving him empirical data...you should have told him to post more so we could study the matter further...

 
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