Power & Acceleration of 13/14 Gen.III vs Gen. II

[escapefjrtist]

<snip> BTW the 1200VFR will loose an FJR with riders of the same riding skill...

Petey, you are such a hooligan!!

--G

I'm talking about compairing the two bikes. The viffer is lighter and has a few more pony's...

I knew what you meant!

--G

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha...Go buy a C14.

Words of wisdom right there - from the village idiot no less!

The bottom end, lower gear acceleration of the Gen 3 is superior to even the Gen 1's. Traction control rocks. No more hazing tires.

Nice try troll. Go fishing with your stinky bait somewhere else!

Sounds like you're looking for B-King or V-Max or Busa/ZX14 acceleration, but you won't have the comfort of a FJR.
BTW....You "can' make the FJR faster with engine mods.

Please, do tell of such mods!

Just for starters a full aftermarket exhaust, Power Commander, can't you put different cams in the FJR motor?

Any engine can be "built" at a performance shop.

Friend of mine in Texas that Ignacio Banned has his FJR running 9 second quarters.

 

[HotRodZilla]

Sorry...I call BS. We've had a few here do extensive mods to their FJRs with very minimal increases. One did exactly as you describe with exhaust and a tuner. His bike ended up slower than a full stock bike.

I've never seen anyone offer up new cams for this bike, and that's an expensive proposition for a one off that no one else has ever seen.

By the time a person spends the money to do the mods necessary to up the FJR's power with anything significant or usable, he would have been better off just buying a used sport bike.

 

[Ignacio]

Friend of mine in Texas that Ignacio Banned has his FJR running 9 second quarters.

You friends with Starcruiser/Down2? He's the only person from Texas that's ever been banned....if so I think 9 second quarter miles are related to their FJR being able to shift 58 times a second.

Just for starters a full aftermarket exhaust, Power Commander, can't you put different cams in the FJR motor?

Any engine can be "built" at a performance shop.

The first two don't increase horsepower in any appreciable way.

You know anybody that actually changed cams or had an engine "built". That's the question Skooter is asking. I haven't heard of any myself either.

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

Sorry...I call BS. We've had a few here do extensive mods to their FJRs with very minimal increases. One did exactly as you describe with exhaust and a tuner. His bike ended up slower than a full stock bike.
I've never seen anyone offer up new cams for this bike, and that's an expensive proposition for a one off that no one else has ever seen.

By the time a person spends the money to do the mods necessary to up the FJR's power with anything significant or usable, he would have been better off just buying a used sport bike.

Call what you want, he sent me a copy of his time slip on his cell phone, why should he lie? We don't compete or anything?

Of course you could buy a sport bike, but then you would JUST have a sport bike and not a comfy FJR.

People spend thousands to build motors, unless the FJR is some "special" motor that can't be built, then it can be too.

What's so hard to believe???

BTW.......if the bike ended up "slower than stock" he did something wrong.

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

Friend of mine in Texas that Ignacio Banned has his FJR running 9 second quarters.

You friends with Starcruiser/Down2? He's the only person from Texas that's ever been banned.

Nope......his name is Brian go's by C-10...you and him got into it via PM's and he cussed you out and you temp banned him and he said "C-YA, I don't need this site"......remember?

 

[Ignacio]

Friend of mine in Texas that Ignacio Banned has his FJR running 9 second quarters.

You friends with Starcruiser/Down2? He's the only person from Texas that's ever been banned.

Nope......his name is Brian go's by C-10...you and him got into it via PM's and he cussed you out and you temp banned him and he said "C-YA, I don't need this site"......remember?

Ahhh, him. He's not "banned". He was suspended and chose not to come back. Get your **** straight.

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

Friend of mine in Texas that Ignacio Banned has his FJR running 9 second quarters.

You friends with Starcruiser/Down2? He's the only person from Texas that's ever been banned....if so I think 9 second quarter miles are related to their FJR being able to shift 58 times a second.

Just for starters a full aftermarket exhaust, Power Commander, can't you put different cams in the FJR motor?

Any engine can be "built" at a performance shop.

The first two don't increase horsepower in any appreciable way.

You know anybody that actually changed cams or had an engine "built". That's the question Skooter is asking. I haven't heard of any myself either.

A FULL aftermarket exhaust and tune doesn't increase HP? Since when?

THAT must be a exclusive Yamaha trait!!

Even a simple slip on will give you about a 2HP increase, it's not much but DOES increase the HP.

Friend of mine in Texas that Ignacio Banned has his FJR running 9 second quarters.

You friends with Starcruiser/Down2? He's the only person from Texas that's ever been banned.

Nope......his name is Brian go's by C-10...you and him got into it via PM's and he cussed you out and you temp banned him and he said "C-YA, I don't need this site"......remember?

Ahhh, him. He's not "banned". He was suspended and chose not to come back. Get your **** straight.

Temp Ban, suspension, whatever. I said he said C-YA didn't I?

Very knowledgeable guy on performance, you must have really pissed him off.

 

[HotRodZilla]

[quotHe name=HotRodZilla" post="1118651" timestamp="1389766357]Sorry...I call BS. We've had a few here do extensive mods to their FJRs with very minimal increases. One did exactly as you describe with exhaust and a tuner. His bike ended up slower than a full stock bike.I've never seen anyone offer up new cams for this bike, and that's an expensive proposition for a one off that no one else has ever seen.

By the time a person spends the money to do the mods necessary to up the FJR's power with anything significant or usable, he would have been better off just buying a used sport bike.

Call what you want, he sent me a copy of his time slip on his cell phone, why should he lie? We don't compete or anything?

Of course you could buy a sport bike, but then you would JUST have a sport bike and not a comfy FJR.

People spend thousands to build motors, unless the FJR is some "special" motor that can't be built, then it can be too.

What's so hard to believe???

BTW.......if the bike ended up "slower than stock" he did something wrong.

No he didn't. It was Useless Pickles. He had his **** straight. The bike made more power, but without MAJOR dollars, the power was too far up in the rev range to be useful. He lost the low end torque necessary for launch and at each shift. You're right...Any motor can be built. My dad owned a machine shop, I saw plenty of engine blocks on the Bridgeports. I also saw plenty of engines that went from reliable and usable to 'good for racing only.'

Like I said...LOTS of money involved to produce anything significant. Hell, this bike has been in the US for 11 years and not even anyone here has pulled it off. That should tell you something.

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

If you want I can ask him to come back and post a thread on all his mods he's done to his FJR.

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

[quotHe name=HotRodZilla" post="1118651" timestamp="1389766357]Sorry...I call BS. We've had a few here do extensive mods to their FJRs with very minimal increases. One did exactly as you describe with exhaust and a tuner. His bike ended up slower than a full stock bike.I've never seen anyone offer up new cams for this bike, and that's an expensive proposition for a one off that no one else has ever seen.

By the time a person spends the money to do the mods necessary to up the FJR's power with anything significant or usable, he would have been better off just buying a used sport bike.

Call what you want, he sent me a copy of his time slip on his cell phone, why should he lie? We don't compete or anything?

Of course you could buy a sport bike, but then you would JUST have a sport bike and not a comfy FJR.

People spend thousands to build motors, unless the FJR is some "special" motor that can't be built, then it can be too.

What's so hard to believe???

BTW.......if the bike ended up "slower than stock" he did something wrong.

No he didn't. It was Useless Pickles. He had his **** straight. The bike made more power, but without MAJOR dollars, the power was too far up in the rev range to be useful. He lost the low end torque necessary for launch and at each shift. You're right...Any motor can be built. My dad owned a machine shop, I saw plenty of engine blocks on the Bridgeports. I also saw plenty of engines that went from reliable and usable to 'good for racing only.'

Like I said...LOTS of money involved to produce anything significant. Hell, this bike has been in the US for 11 years and not even anyone here has pulled it off. That should tell you something.

Yeah it's true you can mess up the low end with engine mods and I wouldn't want to lose low end myself.

My point is if the thread starter wants to make the FJR faster it will cost a lot of money and you're right, it will probably make the motor less reliable.

 

[HotRodZilla]

Aftermarket cans don't have much effect on these bikes because the cans are AFTER the convertors. Those are what cause restriction. Removing the cats and opening the exhaust moves the power from the lower rev range, where it is usable 95% of the time, to the top of the range where it is not...

Ask anyone that knows anything about exhaust systems and power bands.. this is exhaust header 101.

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

Aftermarket cans don't have much effect on these bikes because the cans are AFTER the convertors. Those are what cause restriction. Removing the cats and opening the exhaust moves the power from the lower rev range, where it is usable 95% of the time, to the top of the range where it is not...
Ask anyone that knows anything about exhaust systems and power bands.. this is exhaust header 101.

I know....that's why I said you probably only get a couple ponies more HP with just a slip-on can.

BUT....a FULL system gets you probably about 8HP or so more.

You could contact a aftermarket exhaust company and ask them. I'm sure TWO BROTHERS or AKRAPOVIC could give you some numbers.

 

[HotRodZilla]

My point is if the thread starter wants to make the FJR faster it will cost a lot of money and you're right, it will probably make the motor less reliable.

Which is why I suggested he just buy the C14 he is so enamored with. He'll love it until he realizes it is only marginally faster on a long straight, and so heavy that an FJR will smoke it in the twisties. Lol...

 

[SoCalFJR1300]

My point is if the thread starter wants to make the FJR faster it will cost a lot of money and you're right, it will probably make the motor less reliable.

Which is why I suggested he just buy the C14 he is so enamored with. He'll love it until he realizes it is only marginally faster on a long straight, and so heavy that an FJR will smoke it in the twisties. Lol...

I suggested he buy a B-KING (my friend has one he modded the front end and rear and it looks MUCH better than stock) or a Kawi ZX-14, or a V-Max.

BUT with all those bikes he'll miss the comfort and versatility of a FJR!!

 

[RadioHowie]

Can't we just all get along??

 

[James Burleigh]

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Temp Ban, suspension, whatever. I said he said C-YA didn't I?

Very knowledgeable guy on performance, you must have really pissed him off.

Must be a circus performer judging by the skillful tightrope walking.....

 

[Redfish Hunter]

Think happy thoughts...

As you guys already said, opening up the exhaust may increase peak power but it changes the RPM at which peak power occurs. It changes the torque curve as well. It moves the power into an RPM range where it becomes less useful to the majority of FJR riders. It then becomes very obvious that the FJR's much criticized 5 speed transmission was actually engineered with ratios that complement the factory torque curve. Imagine Yamaha thinking to do that...

We know that with the right amount of money, time, technology, money, patience and money any motor can be built. As long as it is done to your bike, not mine, I don't have an issue with it. I would wonder why though.

I would guess that with the weight of the FJR if you were to lose the bottom end power in order to build top end power it would make the bike slower rather than faster in the 1/4. That is my gut feeling based on how the transmission ratios are spaced.

None of which really addresses the OP's original question. I am (dammit!) agreeing with Zilla again. If you are going to be unhappy with the slow??? FJR, go buy a C-14. You will know you made the right decision when you sit on the Kawasaki and take such joy and pride in the little things that make the difference in pride of ownership. Who would not love the exquisitely molded perfection of the plastic master cylinders of the C-14? Especially when compared to the Oh So Yesterday, oh so heavy aluminum master cylinders that just ooze with the beauty of the FJR design? For me, it is all the little things that add up, all the little things that become big things on day 8 of a 13 day trip. So far, a tenth of a second's worth of 1/4 mile time has never affected my happiness on a motorcycle trip.

 

[wheatonFJR]

To the OP's question, the FJR has not changed significantly in engine performance...and it still has weight to haul around, more so now than when it first came out.

If you want your head to snap back into that area of your back between your shoulder blades when you twist the throttle, you will need to change to a mcy class that carries less pork/weight, and more HP.

Easy to do, you just pick a different bike...

...with different good points and bad points.

 

[GeorgiaRoller]

So far, a tenth of a second's worth of 1/4 mile time has never affected my happiness on a motorcycle trip.

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