Putting weight down on the top side in a corner

[Bounce]

Good links, thanks. Didn't see any reference to the weight on the outside peg.
Damn, your avatar is annoying, I liked your ugly helmet better

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an old GIF that used to blink but now my processors are so fast it just flickers.

 

[Rolavine]

I don't know why it works, just try it.

And yes it is good for holding a curve and keeping the bike stable, not for initiating a curve.

What it feel like to me, is that I'm able to put more of a downward force on the tires while lowering the angle vector force that tries to push the tires to the outside of a curve. But it also feels like the suspension system is more balanced with this techniqueand the bike is more resistant to being thrown off line by road irregularities.

The curvy, blind, rura,l hilly roads I get to commute through are not in great condition, they are covered with cracks, patches, tar snakes, potholes, and these are just the static conditions! When I put the weight on the high side, and it takes very little, the bike tends to shrug off these problems while holding the line. If I ride it neutral I get through OK, the fjr is pretty good at that, but I loose some control over the path. My confidence level goes higher with the outside weight because the bike says 'hey mate no worries'.

 

[exskibum]

And yes it is good for holding a curve and keeping the bike stable, not for initiating a curve.What it feel like to me, is that I'm able to put more of a downward force on the tires while lowering the angle vector force that tries to push the tires to the outside of a curve. But it also feels like the suspension system is more balanced with this techniqueand the bike is more resistant to being thrown off line by road irregularities.

The curvy, blind, rura,l hilly roads I get to commute through are not in great condition, they are covered with cracks, patches, tar snakes, potholes, and these are just the static conditions! When I put the weight on the high side, and it takes very little, the bike tends to shrug off these problems while holding the line.

I was still living in Gardnerville, NV when I first read about the technique from Sparky3008 on this board. I started trying it on Monitor Pass, which was my regular no traffic track when I needed to get out on the bike for a couple hours (yeah, it sucks to have something that great almost right out your front door). I also spent time messing with it on a trip down the west side of the Sierras to see my Dad in L.A. and became a convert from the control sensation it produced. But what really sticks in my mind was after working on it several weeks when I headed south to do Tioga Pass over and back (after it opened in early summer).

Coming back home to Gardnerville, late afternoon, heading north on 395 where its fast sweepers climb quickly from Mono Lake toward Virginia Lakes and then down to Bridgeport, I was trying to make time and doing high double to low triple digit speeds. Lots of room, multiple lanes in most places and almost no one else on the road. The biggest challenge was the wind at those speeds, which was blowing pretty hard and gusting unpredictably. Trying to maintain an illegal even speed to the summit, I started trying the outside peg weighting technique I'd been working on, and was amazed at how well it worked in that situation. I remember being struck by how it seemed like I could balance the outside peg weight against my countersteering hand (a really easy low effort control effect) to all but completely negate the wind's effect on the bike's line -- it really settled the bike and felt like it was on rails. The effect was so pronounced in that wind that the bike was more stable with this technique in the sweepers than it was without it on the straights.

Like golfers recall the aesthetics of past great shots when faced with something similar, I have that Mono grade experience in my mind as the feel I'm after when I do this. If I ever have to run away from a road rager at high speeds, you can bet I'll be all over that outside peg while I twist the throttle WFO through sweepers to get away.

 

[dcarver]

Learn something new everyday. Uber's post is 100% in weighting the downhill peg on dirt. Use it all the time. Just never ever even thought to apply the same physics to the street!

Cool, I just learned something today now I can go home and party. :clapping:

 

[Bogey907]

Reminds me of when Junior Samples took his first airplane ride. Said he liked it OK, but he never did put his full weight on it.

 

[mbottoms]

From an Enduro (Offroad) standpoint, we have been using this technique for quite a while.

While in the dirt taking a sweeper with your weight on the inside peg, any loss of traction is going to set you on your ass and send your bike out in front spinning like a pancake.

With your weight on the outside peg, you have more leverage and better feel for when your at the edge of your tires capabilities and that equals more control.

I agree that slight pressure on the outside peg makes you feel like you are on rails.

And if at any point the rear starts to slip, I apply heavy pressure on the outside peg, stabalize into the slide and then shift weight to the front, lift your elbows, turn into the slide and accelerate out.

I have found most dirt techniques transfer quite well to the street, only with the FJR the forces at work are quite a bit higher and a lot of strength may be required to exicute.

Mark