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I'll say this before I comment so it's not taken out of context, I don't know any details of anything that spurred this post. I haven't spoken to anyone about anything, so I'm not taking a side, just pointing out a personal experience.

I've been a moderator on a very large forum for years now, as well as owning and operating forums over the years. On the very large forum, there was a guy who was amazingly helpful. Super nice guy, never gave anyone any issues at all. People loved the guy. Where other's would say "Oh, not a post about ________ again", he'd take time and answer the questions and he was very knowledgable. You'd say he was a model citizen in the community.

Someone else posted something that ended up getting deleted for inappropriate content (family friendly forum), and the good guy simply asked what happened to the post because he had spent a lot of time on it and wanted to know if the inappropriate posts could be removed instead of the entire thread, in order to preserve the information.

Another moderator who thought running a forum was an extension of his previous military career sent a smart ass reply back to the guy. Well, the good guy took offense to it and asked for an apology. Nope. The moderator dug his heels in. The moderator asked all the other moderators if he was right or wrong in his actions and most of us said he was wrong and he needed to apologize to the guy.

Nope. Wasn't having any of it. All he had to do was type "I apologize, my response was inappropriate". He dug his heels in and the good guy, after over 10,000 posts in a 8 year period, walked away. When he did, about 20 other people went with him and they went to every other forum they could find and vocalized it. It left a huge hole in the forum and it started a "us vs. them" tone on the forums for at least 6 months.

Forums are a community. When valuable resources leave, it leaves a void. Sometimes it gets filled, sometimes it doesn't. But just as it's easy for a member to make a mistake and say or do something they probably shouldn't, it's just as easy for a moderator to make a mistake and do something they probably shouldn't. The moderator's aren't always right. However, they hold the power, so there is a thought process that they are always right. Not so.

In my opinion, the best moderators are those who don't rule with an iron fist or have ego issues, but those who are firm, but fair, and not above admitting they were wrong.

In my example, the moderator who was wrong resigned from moderating the forum, so we lost the moderator and the 20 good guys, all because 1 moderator said something wrong and wouldn't admit it.

Like I said, that's just a personal experience, it doesn't imply that this was or was not a moderator issue.

 
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I'm not defending anyone.

I've been an admin at another forum for years now and I can say it is a thankless job. That forum is more frustrating than the ones I'm not an admin or moderator of just because I see the other side.

We banned one guy in 8 years. The guy was a Dr. Jekyl / Mr. Hyde type. There was lots of helpful posts out there from him and several good How To's. But he went out of the way to make things difficult for the admins and moderators. He even went so far as to impersonate another admin on a different site. I finally had enough of it, so I banned him. That caused an uproar of the longtime members. He then proceeded to remove all of his hosted images, making his writeups essentially gibberish because they all referenced pictures. Admins were blamed for that, so we just took all of his content out of the How-To section because it was now useless. Banned user went on to make his own forum and rally more to his cause. Quite a few bailed and I'm sure there was bad mouthing about us over there. Right after the banning, our servers and my personal server at home now receive dozens of hack attempts every day. There were hardly any before.

Forum crashed a couple months after all of this went down. The site had to be rebuilt from scratch. A lot of those long time members stayed at the other forum and didn't come back. You know what? I don't miss any of them. Their sense of entitlement outgrew their contributions.

I understand some frustrations, but it doesn't cost anything to be a member. You're getting your money's worth and more. If you don't like it, that's fine. Quietly leave instead of trying to get everyone else riled up about the same thing. Don't ruin this for others.

I knew I should have let the air out of Bob's air mattress when I had the chance.

 
I'll say this before I comment so it's not taken out of context, I don't know any details of anything that spurred this post. I haven't spoken to anyone about anything, so I'm not taking a side, just pointing out a personal experience.
I've been a moderator on a very large forum for years now, as well as owning and operating forums over the years. On the very large forum, there was a guy who was amazingly helpful. Super nice guy, never gave anyone any issues at all. People loved the guy. Where other's would say "Oh, not a post about ________ again", he'd take time and answer the questions and he was very knowledgable. You'd say he was a model citizen in the community.

Someone else posted something that ended up getting deleted for inappropriate content (family friendly forum), and the good guy simply asked what happened to the post because he had spent a lot of time on it and wanted to know if the inappropriate posts could be removed instead of the entire thread, in order to preserve the information.

Another moderator who thought running a forum was an extension of his previous military career sent a smart ass reply back to the guy. Well, the good guy took offense to it and asked for an apology. Nope. The moderator dug his heels in. The moderator asked all the other moderators if he was right or wrong in his actions and most of us said he was wrong and he needed to apologize to the guy.

Nope. Wasn't having any of it. All he had to do was type "I apologize, my response was inappropriate". He dug his heels in and the good guy, after over 10,000 posts in a 8 year period, walked away. When he did, about 20 other people went with him and they went to every other forum they could find and vocalized it. It left a huge hole in the forum and it started a "us vs. them" tone on the forums for at least 6 months.

Forums are a community. When valuable resources leave, it leaves a void. Sometimes it gets filled, sometimes it doesn't. But just as it's easy for a member to make a mistake and say or do something they probably shouldn't, it's just as easy for a moderator to make a mistake and do something they probably shouldn't. The moderator's aren't always right. However, they hold the power, so there is a thought process that they are always right. Not so.

In my opinion, the best moderators are those who don't rule with an iron fist or have ego issues, but those who are firm, but fair, and not above admitting they were wrong.

In my example, the moderator who was wrong resigned from moderating the forum, so we lost the moderator and the 20 good guys, all because 1 moderator said something wrong and wouldn't admit it.

Like I said, that's just a personal experience, it doesn't imply that this was or was not a moderator issue.
I'm a "follow-up" moderator on another forum. I call myself that b/c kind of the same brouhaha occurred there yrs ago and there was a mass exodus of people. That forum was at it's pinnacle of knowledge, success and camaraderie. Much like here there were west coast, central and east coast meetups etc. With more than 600 active daily participants it was not unusual to have 1000 people signed in at the same time on any given day.

Now it's pretty much dead. One jackass moderator went overboard, dug in his heels and after a few months of back and forth and more bannings and more thread deletions that was that. Now that forum is lucky to have ten people logged on at the same time. Will this forum survive?

 
If that's the case, then maybe some of us are stupid. All eternity is in the balance, and we're friggin' around with human shit.

 
What would it take to have this thread locked.??? Get over it already.

 
What would it take to have this thread locked.??? Get over it already.
Yeah, fjrob. Sorry, it's called "venting". It'll be done when the process is complete. Anything else will make it even worse. You'll be the first to know when that happens. Sit back and enjoy a swig of your favorite adult beverage. :yes:
 
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Snow Balls,
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I agree, this forum is NOT the same as when I first joined. I am rarely on here anymore and just go on as habit I guess, but it has evolved into something that isn't worth a whole lot of my time anymore. There's not enough "real" motorcycle people anymore. There was a saying that we used to describe HD riders back in the day that can now be used to describe a lot of new FJR riders. "It takes more than 15 miles and 15K to be a biker" There was a time when discussing "trailering" your FJR was met with real distain, now it would generate several pages on what trailer to buy. It's not about riding anymore, it's about what gear to buy, which helmet is the new darling to own, it's about everything except what it started out to be, a place for real moto nuts to get together and share their love of riding
I have the same Feejer as you, and also a Kendon trailer I use when I want to get to a great riding spot, and don't want to ride the 6-10 hours needed, just to get out of Texas. I guess I'm not "real"...

And the word is spelled "disdain".

 
I agree, this forum is NOT the same as when I first joined. I am rarely on here anymore and just go on as habit I guess, but it has evolved into something that isn't worth a whole lot of my time anymore. There's not enough "real" motorcycle people anymore. There was a saying that we used to describe HD riders back in the day that can now be used to describe a lot of new FJR riders. "It takes more than 15 miles and 15K to be a biker" There was a time when discussing "trailering" your FJR was met with real distain, now it would generate several pages on what trailer to buy. It's not about riding anymore, it's about what gear to buy, which helmet is the new darling to own, it's about everything except what it started out to be, a place for real moto nuts to get together and share their love of riding
I have the same Feejer as you, and also a Kendon trailer I use when I want to get to a great riding spot, and don't want to ride the 6-10 hours needed, just to get out of Texas. I guess I'm not "real"...

And the word is spelled "disdain".
You're in Austin, TX..you are very close to ground zero of "great riding spots". That is all.
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I agree, this forum is NOT the same as when I first joined. I am rarely on here anymore and just go on as habit I guess, but it has evolved into something that isn't worth a whole lot of my time anymore. There's not enough "real" motorcycle people anymore. There was a saying that we used to describe HD riders back in the day that can now be used to describe a lot of new FJR riders. "It takes more than 15 miles and 15K to be a biker" There was a time when discussing "trailering" your FJR was met with real distain, now it would generate several pages on what trailer to buy. It's not about riding anymore, it's about what gear to buy, which helmet is the new darling to own, it's about everything except what it started out to be, a place for real moto nuts to get together and share their love of riding
I have the same Feejer as you, and also a Kendon trailer I use when I want to get to a great riding spot, and don't want to ride the 6-10 hours needed, just to get out of Texas. I guess I'm not "real"...

And the word is spelled "disdain".
You're in Austin, TX..you are very close to ground zero of "great riding spots". That is all.
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In Texas, yes. But just riding around the block gets boring. And there is a lot of boring riding in this big state. When I want to ride in CO, the bike goes on the trailer to get there.

 
What if?
Bob just got up one morning and decided he was spending too much time on his virtual life, and went outside to smell the roses.
Interesting thought, but the OP felt the necessity to post an exit message, inviting this inevitable ensuing drama

Shades of Stuart's "Hey look at what I can do!"

 
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