So, maybe you don't want a Gen 3 YCC-S

[mcatrophy]

TLR

It is a bit long. But then, all my literary works tend to be a little verbose, in any case I've nothing else to do. Sorry.

So you have a 2014 ES AE? Cool!

Yup. Bragged about it may times before. Even in my sig line. But I realise you won't have read my postings, TL;DR

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I've had the same thang happen to me, 'n see'in my '07 AE iz way outta warranty, I've just learned to ride a round it.Back when I rode primitive clutch bikes, I got in the bad habit of just pull'in in the clutch, focusing on my braking, then downshifting when in emergency braking. Whenever my AE gets stuck in gear, it's always after emergency braking, so what I've learned to do, is rev the thing a little more; I'm usually at 4 K RPMs or above.

Also, I try to blip the throttle between downshifts whilst braking hard. There's something about chopping the throttle, and trying to downshift w/ too few RPMs that causes this getting stuck in gear thang, so I've found that if I can blip the throttle it doesn't occur.

I've also been able to cycle the ignition off while on the fly, butt that only works if yer above maybe 50 mph not in the low speed uphill scenario you mentioned.

It'd be real easy fer the shop to duplicate; just have 'em go 60 MPH in 4th gear, garb a handful of brakes, slow down to 10 MPH, 'n have 'em try to downshift.

Unfortunately (I think), mine has no such consistent behaviour, it happens unexpectedly out of the blue, usually first noticed when simply trying to upshift from 4th. (Which I did say somewhere in the middle of my ramblings above. Which you haven't read. Don't blame you for that.)

Good luck.

Thanks.

Maybe we should have a go at fixing yours? Have we had a go already? If so, we clearly failed miserably.

 

[El Toro]

LOL! Sorry guys for the cheap comment. However, some times it just takes a mfgr. time to catch up to technology. Hell, even Boeing struggled with their latest designs and such things as the Li batteries and initial quality of their composit parts and assys. I'm sure mother Yamaha will get things figured out by the time Gen 4 rolls around!

My sense is that some folks may be unfamiliar with the Yamaha acronym YCC-S, and may not realize that this was new technology introduced with Gen 2, and then dropped from import by the US importer with the 2009 model year. Many of us have been jealous of our European friends whose importers have continued to bring the YCC-S model into Europe.

Let's face it .... if we did not need the YCC-S feature once in a while, I doubt that any of us would own one. But when you need it, you need it. I've owned four of them myself. Every one chosen specifically because of the YCC-S feature ... and the fact that the FJR is the best all around sport touring package on the planet, even in the lowly Gen 1 or Gen 2 versions.

 

[jammess]

TLR

So you have a 2014 ES AE? Cool!

I've had the same thang happen to me, 'n see'in my '07 AE iz way outta warranty, I've just learned to ride a round it.

Back when I rode primitive clutch bikes, I got in the bad habit of just pull'in in the clutch, focusing on my braking, then downshifting when in emergency braking. Whenever my AE gets stuck in gear, it's always after emergency braking, so what I've learned to do, is rev the thing a little more; I'm usually at 4 K RPMs or above.

Also, I try to blip the throttle between downshifts whilst braking hard. There's something about chopping the throttle, and trying to downshift w/ too few RPMs that causes this getting stuck in gear thang, so I've found that if I can blip the throttle it doesn't occur.

I've also been able to cycle the ignition off while on the fly, butt that only works if yer above maybe 50 mph not in the low speed uphill scenario you mentioned.

It'd be real easy fer the shop to duplicate; just have 'em go 60 MPH in 4th gear, garb a handful of brakes, slow down to 10 MPH, 'n have 'em try to downshift.

Good luck.

You know, you would be a lot more believable if you didn't play the banjo so well.

And here I thought politically inspired material was a no no on this site. I'm referring to your art work.

 

[mcatrophy]

...
My sense is that some folks may be unfamiliar with the Yamaha acronym YCC-S...

I used the "YCC-S" in the title since I believe more on this forum would recognise that than the designation of my bike, FJR1300AS. I couldn't use the US designation of "AE" because that's not what my bike is, here the "AE" would be called the "ES" in the US. Why Yamaha choose to have different designations in different markets I have no idea. I highlighted the oddities in this post.

 

[mcatrophy]

Latest news:

I phoned the dealer this afternoon. To summarise the conversation, they've spent the whole week on it, they've found fault codes consistent with what happened, gear shift not as expected, engine stalling (there may be more, I'll get the details later). Nothing to suggest why.

They've discussed it with Yamaha, I don't think Yamaha could shed any light on the problem.

They've tested every relevant component, could find no fault, they have made the MCU re-learn the gear position sensor.

The bike has been road tested, nothing wrong found (there's a surprise!).

Oh, yes, Yamaha wants the dealer to inspect the bike whilst in the fault condition. That possibility is so remote that I actually laughed at the chief mechanic when he said it.

So, I will probably pick it up on Monday.

Unsatisfactory in that they've found nothing wrong, but I never expected them to since the bike is normally running perfectly.

When I get it back, I shall continue using it. If (when?) it misbehaves again, I will start my own investigation, I can't do worse than has been done so far.

 

[wheatonFJR]

When I get it back, I shall continue using it. If (when?) it misbehaves again, I will start my own investigation, I can't do worse than has been done so far.

Are you expensive? This could take awhile.

On a more serious note.

I hope you are able to get to the root of the fault, and that if occurs again it is not in a location that endangers you. Seriously, that cliff episode sounded scary.

 

[mcatrophy]

... Are you expensive? This could take awhile. ...

No, I'm very cheap. At least, jobs I do for Her get minimal reward, only just enough pocket money to run the bike.

... Seriously, that cliff episode sounded scary.

Oh, it was, but the view was fantastic .

 

[wheatonFJR]

... Seriously, that cliff episode sounded scary.

Oh, it was, but the view was fantastic

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Always looking on the bright side of life, eh?

 

[Viper Pilot]

Careful, Yamaha may want to replace the throttle bodies. That seems to be the fix for every thing!!! LOL

 

[BanjoBoy]

TLR

It is a bit long. But then, all my literary works tend to be a little verbose, in any case I've nothing else to do. Sorry.

So you have a 2014 ES AE? Cool!

Yup. Bragged about it may times before. Even in my sig line. But I realise you won't have read my postings, TL;DR

.

I've had the same thang happen to me, 'n see'in my '07 AE iz way outta warranty, I've just learned to ride a round it.Back when I rode primitive clutch bikes, I got in the bad habit of just pull'in in the clutch, focusing on my braking, then downshifting when in emergency braking. Whenever my AE gets stuck in gear, it's always after emergency braking, so what I've learned to do, is rev the thing a little more; I'm usually at 4 K RPMs or above.

Also, I try to blip the throttle between downshifts whilst braking hard. There's something about chopping the throttle, and trying to downshift w/ too few RPMs that causes this getting stuck in gear thang, so I've found that if I can blip the throttle it doesn't occur.

I've also been able to cycle the ignition off while on the fly, butt that only works if yer above maybe 50 mph not in the low speed uphill scenario you mentioned.

It'd be real easy fer the shop to duplicate; just have 'em go 60 MPH in 4th gear, garb a handful of brakes, slow down to 10 MPH, 'n have 'em try to downshift.

Unfortunately (I think), mine has no such consistent behaviour, it happens unexpectedly out of the blue, usually first noticed when simply trying to upshift from 4th. (Which I did say somewhere in the middle of my ramblings above. Which you haven't read. Don't blame you for that.)

Good luck.

Thanks.

Maybe we should have a go at fixing yours? Have we had a go already? If so, we clearly failed miserably.

Bummer dude, recon I didn't see where it was totally random. (I can ride around my "issues.") Hopefully Mamma Yamma will find a cure; Is this a common occurrence w/ others on yer side of the pond?

 

[mcatrophy]

...Bummer dude, recon I didn't see where it was totally random. (I can ride around my "issues.") Hopefully Mamma Yamma will find a cure; Is this a common occurrence w/ others on yer side of the pond?

Not that I'm aware of. My dealer hasn't sold any others, I don't think many are sold at all. As far as I can tell, Yamaha haven't heard of this before mine, but we also know Yamaha might plead ignorance anyway.
Maybe a little more info when I pick it up.

 

[El Toro]

You may recall that in the end, after 6 or so weeks of diagnosing with the help of the US importer and the mother ship in Japan, they finally sucked it up and slapped a new ECM into my 2008, and that was the end of the troubles. Mine would not act up until 20+ miles into a ride. But once it started doing it, it would do it if you rode far enough on every single outing.

I know yours is Gen III, and that it is not the same as mine was ... but I can't help but wonder if the communications issues aren't so complex for this YCC-S feature that there are difficult to diagnose failures. I know that Yamaha was NOT inclined to try the ECM swap until the end, and even at that, they were not warrantying it ... it was the gentlemanly dealer sucking it up on a used bike LONG out of warranty.

The killing curse of the YCC-S model is that there is an insufficient base of units out there for statistical diagnosis. In the modern era, they follow insurance company medical diagnosis practices, i.e. if A, then try B, C, and D, etc.

We live in the information age, not the wisdom or knowledge ages. Information, misinformation, no information ... corporations don't actually seem to know anything.

Side rant ... 42 years ago, my first high Dow Industrial level corporate job was as Corporate Specialist for Vibration Analysis and Alternate Corporate Specialist for Noise Control. We had corporate specialists for nearly any problem that could come up. I suspect that my generation helped build expert systems to replace themselves, and that now when new problems come up, there are no experts who actually understand the underlying basic physics of anything.

 

[rogdeb]

Good luck to you and the bike Mac.

The apprehension level will be high for the first few rides, but, maybe ---- just maybe, all will be right.

Stay in cell phone range for a while

 

[mcatrophy]

Update:

Picked the bike up today. Basically they've found nothing wrong.

I talked to the mechanic who'd been working on it, he seemed genuinely upset they haven't found the cause of my problem. He also said words to the effect that it is less enjoyable riding a bike with an intermittent issue, and he was sorry they couldn't help further. (I'm wondering whether he was expecting a bit of a verbal beating from me :argue: , but to me there's no point, they'd obviously done their best, nothing said to me seemed like BS.)

The good news: Although out of warranty, they made no charge for the two day's work they'd put into it.

Maybe the re-learned gear-change positioning will help, an issue there would be consistent with it seeming to occur when in 4th gear.

So, I shall continue to ride it, if it happens again I shall do my own investigation.

 

[majicmaker]

I'd say do your own investigation. You have nothing to lose. They know nothing at this point.

 

[LKLD]

Mac, best of luck. If anyone can find the issue, I think it would be you.

 

[Uncle Hud]

^^^^ I agree.

 

[wheatonFJR]

Mac, best of luck. If anyone can find the issue, I think it would be you.

Yeah, definitely agree on that one...just be safe out there! (While having loads of fun)

 

[12tinker]

Hi Mac,

Did you ever get your YCC-S problem resolved by the dealer? i have an '06 and discover if the foot switch sensor is out of adjustment or is damaged from all the road crap it will stop all functions of the system. Also a low battery voltagewill prevent operation. Remember to never take the pivot bolt out before removing the sensor. Don't ask, Ha.

Let us know..

12Tinker

 

[Fred W]

"AE" is Yamaha newspeak lingo for "devil's spawn".

I know this is true because I read it on the internet, right here!

(how many times did you click that link?)