So XJRGuy is done for a while eh

[Ignacio]

When somebody else does the legwork for a single group buy, receives criticism like XJRGuy dished out, and then can tell me with a straight face it doesn't severely hurt--then the peanut gallery will be vindicated.

In the meantime say Thank you and don't bother buying it. Don't feel like you have a responsibility to others because they're saps. Everybody on here is a smart consumer.

You see, one can have incredibly thick skin, but naysayers of any kind in group buys are lame. Put yourself in Warchild's shoes for a second.

......no you didn't do it yet. Seriously........ think for a second if YOU put hours and hours of work into organizing a group buy for no personal gain and YOU get a harpee with one paragraph of fair point for every 10 paragraphs of blather. The noise drowns out the signal. Then the **** keeps saying the same stuff two or three times thinking volume will make them heard more. Would that bother you in the least?

Here's an analogy.

Warchild is your grandmother. She's crusty from the war, but bakes you a set of cookies. They used to be your favorite, but you don't like them anymore. You don't have the heart to tell her. You eye the cookie and feed it to the dog when she isn't looking, but you don't dare tell her because you know she cooked all afternoon.

Say thank you and smile.

 

[FJRottie]

Say thank you and smile.

I understand your point but we all don't think the same.

I don't ********. Grammy, thanks for the effort but I don't like those cookies.

If the truth hurts, I'm sorry for Grammy. Something about thick skin goes both ways.

I appreciate honesty either way. I use constructive criticism every day (because I have to for work), that is all it is.

Should XJR get a timeout. We should all agree to disagree right now.

This is a free forum with a dictatorship.

I understand the guidelines but always felt there was a degree of sarcasm.

How far over the line did he go ??

Did he do anything that wasn't done to him ??

Should I worry about being banned to say, "I think he was hard done by".

These are only words. I re-read everything twice. He made apologies and responded to lashes towards him.

This is only my opinion and NO ONE here has a better opinion than another person's opinion.

Slap, this is your forum is it not ? I am not sure who it really belongs to in the end but, are we getting carried away over a debate. I did not see any personal attacks. Guideline #7 is new and because of this, but is it necessary.

If I somehow piss off WarSkootIG, I just get a timeout because they don't like it ?

I am only asking serious thoughts.

 

[twowheelnut]

Should I worry about being banned...

No. It's only a motorcycle forum on the internet of which there are thousands from which to choose. When egos clash in the privately held world, heads roll. You may not like it, but that's life. Deal with it.

 

[slapnpop]

How far over the line did he go ??Did he do anything that wasn't done to him ??

Repetedly posting general claims in the vein of "all hid bulb replacements are going to be inferior to stock lighting" while he knew full well Warchild is waiting on a set he ordered to arrive for evaluation on an FJR.

And then there was the whole implying an admin was doing a groupbuy for personal profit.

Should I worry about being banned to say, "I think he was hard done by".

No, as long as you're not abusive or slanderous. Voice your opinion in a polite and respectful manner. Or at least no worse than rad or twn.

Slap, this is your forum is it not ? I am not sure who it really belongs to in the end but, are we getting carried away over a debate. I did not see any personal attacks. Guideline #7 is new and because of this, but is it necessary.

It is indeed my forum when all is said and done, though I like to think it belongs to the community. The timeout decision was made while I was at work, and I came home to read it all after the fact. I don't agree with either side completely, but when all was said and done I stick by Warchild's decision. I did try to talk technical with him. He just kept repeating long posts quoted from (IMHO) bias sources, with sweeping generalizations.

I think the following two posts illustrate my point. He knew that there was an evaluation to be made still. I think anyone who's participated in a groupbuy put together by Warchild knows he only promotes group buys on products worth the effort.

Regarding your test, I do look forward to the outcome of your evaluation of the lighting products. That is the whole point of this forum, is it not?

followed by

You are the moderator here correct? The person that all of us would like to believe is in it for the best of all interests, yes?...

I don't have to care about who spends money on what or who buys the HIDS or not, but I DO.

What are your motivations here Warchild in making the HID kits available to the group? Wasn't there another GB on the Blackbird list, FROM THE SAME reseller? I've clearly demonstrated where I stand in the whole thing. I have NOTHING to gain from what I've posted. Do you? Since you stated for everyone to see that you don't care who buys the kits, et al it must be all about you. Who's right and who's wrong. You tell me, and everyone else.

Clearly based on YOUR QUOTATIONS that I posted, and your previous reply to me just now, can anyone say the same thing about you?

For this was given a 1 week gag-order. Not a ban as is being described. He is still free to read the forum. I don't think is is an unsuitable action given his posts. The only mention of a ban came in the warning not to try skirting the rules.

And of course the first thing he does is run to EZboard and whine about getting his *** handed to him, which is my biggest problem here. I feel this is a key insight into the situation. He's free to use whatever forum he wants, I've got no problems there. Dont' go stirring up **** however. I don't think anyone on either board wants to read anymore about this topic. This just pisses me off. Don't make me angry, you wouldn't like me angry.

And after all of this, he still has not been banned. (yet)

ok, moving on

If I somehow piss off WarSkootIG, I just get a timeout because they don't like it ?

If you've done something to actually piss them off, then yes, quite possibly. All of these guys have a good sense of humor, and you're not likely to piss them off without knowing it beforehand. If you get a string of 4 smug posts by Warchild with the occational shot, and then make some stupid accusations, you'll find yourself in the dunce hat in the corner. Shoulda seen it coming.

But that doesn't mean you'll be banned. It's a cooling off period. For a reason.

You'll get banned for repeadly being a ****-cheese or breaking rules on purpose, such as trying to re-register to post while suspended. We don't wanna ban anyone. Hell, we don't wanna suspend anyone either. I'm a good 'ole southern boy with good 'ole southern manners. Don't say anything online that you wouldn't say to my face. The **** that would get you banned online is the **** that would get decked and drug off into the woods to some nice banjo music in the background.

Does that make sense?

If you voice your descent in an appriate manner, you have nothing to worry about. XJR's behaviour was nothing new. I had to PM him about posts when he first joined because he was stirring up **** then. I never thought anything more about it, but it doesn't surprise me he pissed off one of the other admins.

Now, all of THAT being said.

We're here for the community. I certainly have a lot less free time than I used to. We do this because we like the community and want what's best for the FJR and riders. You SHOULD have some respect for that, even if not as much as your Grammy.

[SIZE=14pt]I shouldn't have to make a 1000 word post to explain the actions of my Admins, and This will probably be the last. You should know by now that we (the admins) aren't in the business of pissing off users. The sucess of this forum should show that.[/SIZE]

 

[FJRottie]

You may not like it, but that's life. Deal with it.

Point taken, but that is what I am saying. It goes both ways. :detect:

I could care less what some people say on this forum and I make my own choices. I follow no one.

I am here for the FJR.

I only threw my previous post out on principle.

I need a ride.

Out.

Tks Slap

Saw your post as mine was done.

 

[twowheelnut]

Or at least no worse than rad or twn.

What, no smilie with that zinger?

 

[Ignacio]

There are some words of wisdom in the last few posts.

....I'll be internalizing them.

Moving along, I'm going to go get the fuel cell I bought installed and finish bleeding brake lines. B)

 

[slapnpop]

Or at least no worse than rad or twn.

What, no smilie with that zinger?

Yeah, I got a smiley for ya right here!

:rtfm: Forum Guidlines #7

I shouldn't have to make a 1000 word post to explain the actions of my Admins

That includes me, nuff said?

:akido:

 

[twowheelnut]

....I'll be internalizing them.

That'll give you gas, ya know.

 

[twowheelnut]

Yeah, I got a smiley for ya right here!  :rtfm:   Forum Guidlines #7

Phew! At least you didn't cite rule #4!

Hugs and Kisses,

TWN

 

[wpbfjr]

ah, yes, the special olympics clause:

arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you 'win', you're still ********... :haha: :clap:

 

[Thug]

So which soft **** got up set and decided to ban someone over some he said you said crap? Gee I can remember bigger and badder things being slinged about here and on other boards (sorry to mention it... and that other **** hole of a place).

Amazing how when the shoe is on the other foot things change?

This is the one one thing I thought here there would be an abundance of patience in play considering who we are and how much time we have spent together dishing to out and copping some flack along the way. So someone upset someone big ******* deal!

Get over it, or go out the back and sort it out or PM them and take it away from the board. Some of us/you go over the top somertimes but really banning them? Grow up!

No, as long as you're not abusive or slanderous. Voice your opinion in a polite and respectful manner. Or at least no worse than rad or twn.

You are kidding right?

Slapnpop this community of ours generally sorts itself out in the long run so me thinks you better have a look at you processes for this sort of thing because it is not healthy for something so trivial.

Just noticed the little Warn 0% under my avatar....Is that ment to scare me or something?

 

[slapnpop]

I repeat, no one was banned.

 

[yanktar]

So, what is that little "Warn" thing on the left of my post--it says 0%. I cannot find out what it means, if I've done somthing wrong, and if so, what?

 

[slapnpop]

no, 0% means nothing

I hope not to use this feature, but gives the software more flexabilty in "response tactics"

That's all I can say without killing you.

or at least keep you from voicing your opinions in this little corner of the internet... woop dee doo.

 

[twowheelnut]

Oy.

 

[SkooterG]

Well, I have had a very difficult time trying to verbalize my feelings on all this.

Thankyou Slapnpop! You pretty much nailed it on the head for me. Very, very well said.

:clap:

As as much as it pains me, TWN - your post just before his was pretty darn good too. In fact, Thug, why don't you re-read that again. Oh, the drama!!!!

For me, it was never XJRGUY's dissenting opinion. In fact, I thought his very first post was helpful. But then he got this TONE!!! To use Warchild's term, it was like the guy was on a crusade to save us from PHID conversions. Well, pulease, provide the info, but spare me the attitude. And I thought that several others posted replies hinting to that effect, but he never got it. And frankly, in his last post, I interpreted that last dig on Warchild as an dig on his integrity. That would have pissed me off - bigtime! Put yourself in his shoes.

C'mon folks (Thug) - This is simple human communication stuff 101. If you want your message to truly be heard, convey it in a respectful and thoughful manner. (Of course humor is good too! ) Otherwise, your message will not be heard, and everyone will see you for the ******, inciting troll that you are, and not give a damn about what you are saying.

And that Jestal, is why you shouldn't have anything to worry about. I am sorry that you, or if anyone felt hesistant to post for fear of getting banned. Dissent in a thoughtful and respectful manner, and you have nothing to worry about. And yes, you should expect the same from us Admin.

Regardless, perhaps the timeout was a little pre-mature, however I don't have a problem with it. I figured tempers could cool down, and egos put aside in that time period, and hoped XJRGUY would be back.

But now, his posts on EZboard are pissing me off. XJRGUY: Let it go dude. I understand your pissed, but do you really believe you have no culpability in this? Things said/written in anger can never be taken back. As far as I am concerned getting yourself permanently banned from this site would be a disservice - to yourself and this forum and its members.

And as for you, Snowmonkey - I could write a novel. Nice post on the EZboard. Dude! Your contribution to troll post ratio on both forums is waaay, way off. What's the deal dude? Why are you always trying to incite, belittle? Tread lightly. Yes, consider this a warning.

Peace!

 

[Windjammer]

I'll throw in .02 just for the hell of it.

If I spent a shitload of hours of my free time helping a bunch of other guys save money on group buys, and doing it for free with no benefit to myself other than being able to save money by participating in the group buy, and then some ******* came along and accused me of profiting from the transaction when he had no positive evidence of such, I'd be pretty ******* pissed off. In fact I'd go ballistic. Can you say Ungrateful ********?

These group buys take a lot of effort, and there's always plenty of whiners around to ***** about this or that when someone else did all the work to save them cash. If it was left to me, the GB's would never happen, because I couldn't handle the stress of helping a bunch of people just so a few of them could spoil the fun by bitching about it.

WJ

 

[twowheelnut]

As as much as it pains me, TWN - your post just before his was pretty darn good too.

Hmmm, there's no smilie for a proper response, but thanks. I think.

 

[Rogue]

I'll throw in .02 just for the hell of it.
If I spent a shitload of hours of my free time helping a bunch of other guys save money on group buys, and doing it for free with no benefit to myself other than being able to save money by participating in the group buy, and then some ******* came along and accused me of profiting from the transaction when he had no positive evidence of such, I'd be pretty ******* pissed off. In fact I'd go ballistic. Can you say Ungrateful ********?

These group buys take a lot of effort, and there's always plenty of whiners around to ***** about this or that when someone else did all the work to save them cash. If it was left to me, the GB's would never happen, because I couldn't handle the stress of helping a bunch of people just so a few of them could spoil the fun by bitching about it.

WJ

+1!