Sometimes a Ticker doesn't Tick

[Ivan]

I know nothing of Roseville yamaha. I know about engines. There is too much that doesn't add up for everything that has been said to be true. Zac may be the greatest guy in the world, but even Johnny golden socket screws up once in a while.

30% past the valves in a leak down test is an engine that won't hardly run, and I see no place that there was a complaint of that.

Guides worn out badly enough to cause a 30% leak down loss would definitely leak oil into one of the cylinders at least, probably more as it sits over night and cause one hell of a plume of oil smoke when started the next day. I see no complaint of that.

Those are two very basic things that would have been definite symptoms of the described malady. Especially if there was oil in the exhaust.

I understand that those of you that know these guys personally will and have taken offense, because I have questioned their abilities and their course of action. As professional techs they should be more than used to it, and have some very good answers if they are above the table. God knows I have been in front of the firing squad enough times my self.

The problem I see here is that a guy takes his scoot in for a routine valve adjustment and is now getting guides replaced and only the exhaust valves replaced...so is this engine really that poorly built that it wears out the exhaust valve guides, on a shim bucket none the less, without causing the same problem on the intake side? Sorry, everything about this indicates someone didn't get everything lined up, bumped the starter and bent the valves. How do I know? I have done the same damn thing probably 25 times. Does that have anything to do with whether or not I am a hell of a guy or a run of the mill asshole? Nope. It just means I made a mistake. The part that burns my ass is when someone makes an honest mistake and isn't so honest about it.

Personally knowing the OP and the Service Manager in question, I'd say there is just about a ZERO percent chance of that. I don't make a living wrenching, but know my way around wrenches, have always done most of my own motorcycle wrenching, and have been riding almost 45 years now. So, I've been around a few mechanics and motorcycle dealerships. I've never found one with as good a service department as Roseville Yamaha, nor many people that are more honest AND helpful than Zac.

Sorry if they are your friends and it burns you that I question their course of action. Saying that there is zero percent chance of that because you are acquainted with them only puts your own credibility in question. People are people. Being a tech is a bitch of a job. Shit goes wrong in an instant, usually when you think everything goes right. If you haven't slung iron professionally, you have no idea how things work in a flat rate shop, or when you have to worry about a dumbass service writer lying to your customers, a service manager that can't tell a flat washer from a u-joint or an owner who wants you to take his piss test for him. Being around mechanics and being a mechanic are two entirely different things. Being around a mechanic usually means you are getting charged more for slowing him down and annoying him. (hint, hint).

So, since I am the FNG here, I will explain it this way. I am trying to save the OP some funds. He needs to start asking the right questions. I.E. I asked for a valve adjustment and a new tensioner, why the sam hell am I paying half the price to put new valve guides in? I didn't ask for that, and I don't want to pay for any of it. And.. If the exhaust guides are worn out so bad the engine won't hold compression how come it ran so good?

So, I am the bad guy here, its ok. I am used to it. I am married. :lol:

 

[exskibum]

I know nothing of Roseville yamaha. I know about engines. There is too much that doesn't add up for everything that has been said to be true. Zac may be the greatest guy in the world, but even Johnny golden socket screws up once in a while.

30% past the valves in a leak down test is an engine that won't hardly run, and I see no place that there was a complaint of that.

Guides worn out badly enough to cause a 30% leak down loss would definitely leak oil into one of the cylinders at least, probably more as it sits over night and cause one hell of a plume of oil smoke when started the next day. I see no complaint of that.

Those are two very basic things that would have been definite symptoms of the described malady. Especially if there was oil in the exhaust.

I understand that those of you that know these guys personally will and have taken offense, because I have questioned their abilities and their course of action. As professional techs they should be more than used to it, and have some very good answers if they are above the table. God knows I have been in front of the firing squad enough times my self.

The problem I see here is that a guy takes his scoot in for a routine valve adjustment and is now getting guides replaced and only the exhaust valves replaced...so is this engine really that poorly built that it wears out the exhaust valve guides, on a shim bucket none the less, without causing the same problem on the intake side? Sorry, everything about this indicates someone didn't get everything lined up, bumped the starter and bent the valves. How do I know? I have done the same damn thing probably 25 times. Does that have anything to do with whether or not I am a hell of a guy or a run of the mill asshole? Nope. It just means I made a mistake. The part that burns my ass is when someone makes an honest mistake and isn't so honest about it.

Personally knowing the OP and the Service Manager in question, I'd say there is just about a ZERO percent chance of that. I don't make a living wrenching, but know my way around wrenches, have always done most of my own motorcycle wrenching, and have been riding almost 45 years now. So, I've been around a few mechanics and motorcycle dealerships. I've never found one with as good a service department as Roseville Yamaha, nor many people that are more honest AND helpful than Zac.

Sorry if they are your friends and it burns you that I question their course of action. Saying that there is zero percent chance of that because you are acquainted with them only puts your own credibility in question. People are people. Being a tech is a bitch of a job. Shit goes wrong in an instant, usually when you think everything goes right. If you haven't slung iron professionally, you have no idea how things work in a flat rate shop, or when you have to worry about a dumbass service writer lying to your customers, a service manager that can't tell a flat washer from a u-joint or an owner who wants you to take his piss test for him. Being around mechanics and being a mechanic are two entirely different things. Being around a mechanic usually means you are getting charged more for slowing him down and annoying him. (hint, hint).

So, since I am the FNG here, I will explain it this way. I am trying to save the OP some funds. He needs to start asking the right questions. I.E. I asked for a valve adjustment and a new tensioner, why the sam hell am I paying half the price to put new valve guides in? I didn't ask for that, and I don't want to pay for any of it. And.. If the exhaust guides are worn out so bad the engine won't hold compression how come it ran so good?

So, I am the bad guy here, its ok. I am used to it. I am married. :lol:

Look, I'm not burned at all -- don't give yourself that much credit. I understand that it is winter, and that's usually when we have posters pounding their chests and puffing their egos. Besides, Kansas is flat -- gotta be a real bitch this time of year. What you think of my credibility matters not at all to me. If you wanted to impress me or us with what a stud you are in engine matters, good for you. It didn't work for me, because you didn't hit the standard I require for reading comprehension, thoroughness, doing your homework or quality of conclusions.

Nightshine reported about the "blowdown" test results (i.e., percentage loss); Zac said only that there was excessive leakdown past the valves. Zac specifically said that oil was found in the exhaust (after 5+ years of reading about this, we know that is the sure diagnostic sign of this exhaust valve guide problem). I bought a new '05 that was among those FJRs at risk for the tick problem (Gen I's: '03-'05), so I was always interested in this topic, and it proved to be a ticker that I had fixed at 28K.

On the other hand, you are clearly not well educated about the ticker saga in Gen I FJRs over the last 6 or so years that it has been a well documented issue here -- one in which Warchild was most instrumental in getting Yamaha to recognize and repair the oft recurring problem. You clearly missed the fact that the problem is ONLY with the exhaust valve guides -- it has always been limited to the exhaust side, and the part numbers for the fix demonstrate that only the exhaust valve guides have been changed and are different. You may prudently want to do a full head job on your engine when you have the head off and get the intake valves done too, but the fact is that Yamaha has not been willing to pay for that -- parts or labor.

You are apparently also not well educated about valve-piston interference issues in the FJR engine. As with the ticker issue, I suggest you do a careful (and long) search for posts here on these issues -- they've been documented in excruciating detail. The upshot has been that the damage has occurred on both intake and exhaust valves in those cases, which clearly did NOT occur in Nightshine's engine. Moreover, in the FJR engines that have suffered that valve crashing interference, the heads were unusable -- Nightshine didn't get new intake valves, a new head or a new engine, though. What he got was consistent with having a ticker (exhaust valve guide repair). BTW, valve-piston crashes in FJRs have so far proven to be more economically repaired by finding a new used engine.

Against your remote and uninformed speculation, we have a service manager and service department that has probably repaired more FJR tickers and cam chain (and adjuster) issues than 95% of the dealerships out there. Quite a few don't know what they're doing in this arena on an FJR, and don't do a good job of either diagnosis or documentation per Yamaha requirements -- Zac and the Roseville Yamaha service department unquestionably do, and have proven that over and over to FJR owners who come from hundreds of miles away to have a proven ticker repair dealership do it right. If I'm going to rely on experts on this kind of repair -- Zac and his track record vs. your claimed expertise in a repair about which you clearly don't know all the details, you're the one I think has demonstrated insufficient expertise and a lack of credibility.

You go ahead and pound your chest about how your superior mechanic's skills elevate you beyond someone who has repeatedly gotten this esoteric repair issue right. I know it's winter, it's cold, snowy and flat there, and that cabin fever and ego posting take hold in those circumstances. We generally tolerate those kinds of posting influences (like PWI) here with understanding, though sometimes it takes a Friday dogpile to work out our winter anxieties.

I haven't given you any shit for being new here or tried to get into an ego comparison of skills, mechanic's knowledge or insults with you. What I have tried to do is point out that your ego driven character slams are misdirected in this case.

Isn't it Miller time there yet? And time to let this one go?

 

[Old Michael]

Holy ****!

 

[Ivan]

Its not an ego based character slam.

I'll stand by my statement that you do not get an engine with 30% leak down on the valves that will start easily and run well. It just aint gonna happen Tex. Not in Kansas, where it's flat, or in Roseville BFE. Character slams weren't the jest of my post. Like I tried to point out, every one makes mistakes. I made my share. Just because it went to some specific yamaha dealer that has a good rep doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake.

If they have a long and sorted history of wearing out exhaust valve guides, ok, that's fine and I will grant you that. But, exhaust guides don't show on a leak down test. But then again, I suspect that you knowing a mechanic trumps my being one.

Let me reiterate what I have said all along, 30% leak down loss past the valves will make an engine that either won't start or will run like hammered dog shit. That goes for anything with valves. Since you are so proficient with the FJR, maybe you can explain how that doesn't happen in this particular engine. In layman's terms, that means that 1/3 of the air the piston draws in is let by instead of compressed and used for power. If that was the case before the bike went in the shop, it should, if it could actually run, have backfired and spit and belched like Rosanne Barr on cheap beer out the exhaust. Its physics, not ego.

Oil in the exhaust is a sure sign of worn valve seals. Oh, and it could be worn rings. Oh, wait, it could be a sure sign of over filling the crank case. Wait! It could be a malfunctioning PCV valve, or yes it could be worn exhaust valve guides.

This was never about ego. I can see why you would think so, being that you and Zac are buds and all. Matter of fact, I can give a rip less about his or anyone else's character. What I see is that someone once again is getting hosed over by a tech. That makes the rest of us look bad, and puts another biker in a position of spending lots of hard earned scratch on unneeded repairs instead of putting it in the fuel tank.

You go ahead and pound your chest about how your superior mechanic's skills elevate you beyond someone who has repeatedly gotten this esoteric repair issue right. I know it's winter, it's cold, snowy and flat there, and that cabin fever and ego posting take hold in those circumstances. We generally tolerate those kinds of posting influences (like PWI) here with understanding, though sometimes it takes a Friday dogpile to work out our winter anxieties.

Wow, esoteric repairs. That's cool. A bunch of old farts hidden away in a cave fixing motorcycles. Just what the world needs. And I am chest pounding. Wow. Also, we haven't gotten any snow here yet. And where's the understanding? I ain't seeing it there Slick. Esoteric repairs. That is rich. I am laughing right now. Dogpile? So far, you're the only one, and you have said repeatedly that you aren't a mechanic, so I am not feeling the pressure, but then again it could be my ego, huh? As to my mechanical skills, well, I guess you can say what you want about them, but I put over 75,000 on a Fiat X-1/9. I did all the work. That right there should tell you something. If it doesn't, you have much to learn young grasshopper. (Ok, old fart, cause you have been riding for 45 years.)

Against your remote and uninformed speculation, we have a service manager and service department that has probably repaired more FJR tickers and cam chain (and adjuster) issues than 95% of the dealerships out there. Quite a few don't know what they're doing in this arena on an FJR, and don't do a good job of either diagnosis or documentation per Yamaha requirements -- Zac and the Roseville Yamaha service department unquestionably do, and have proven that over and over to FJR owners who come from hundreds of miles away to have a proven ticker repair dealership do it right. If I'm going to rely on experts on this kind of repair -- Zac and his track record vs. your claimed expertise in a repair about which you clearly don't know all the details, you're the one I think has demonstrated insufficient expertise and a lack of credibility.

Ok, once again, if they are infallible human beings then they, as mechanics, which you have resorted to telling me you are not, will have some clear cut answers to what I have said. You are merely making them look bad. Zac has posted. If he is that good, he will understand my skepticism and respond kindly, especially if he is the social butterfly you report he is. However, even the best ones out there screw up. So, I don't believe for one minute that Roseville Yamaha has a ZERO percent chance of screwing the pooch. Also, not everyone is 100% honest. Not even me, because I lied to you when I said I am not. (that is a joke right there, take it as such).

Judging by your lengthy post and your accusations of my chest thumping and egocentric disposition, I dare say I have burnt your ass, and that I should take that credit. For what its worth, that was not my intent with this post. It was merely to keep the OP from getting screwed. I am sorry if that ends up making your friends look bad. But if the shoe fits, its probably yours.

This was really entertaining:

Look, I'm not burned at all -- don't give yourself that much credit. I understand that it is winter, and that's usually when we have posters pounding their chests and puffing their egos. Besides, Kansas is flat -- gotta be a real bitch this time of year. What you think of my credibility matters not at all to me. If you wanted to impress me or us with what a stud you are in engine matters, good for you. It didn't work for me, because you didn't hit the standard I require for reading comprehension, thoroughness, doing your homework or quality of conclusions.

Now remind me, who was it with the ego? :blink:

And as a final statement, I think you just like to argue. So:

Hi. Names Ivan, I guess we have something in common. :yahoo:

 

[exskibum]

Hi Ivan. I was mistaken. You're not just mistaken or posting while intoxicated -- you're a fucking idiot. Your ego is so big that you need to come here and start out by slinging insults at everyone -- cheating customers and friends, lying to them and Yamaha, incompetent, some of us have no experience as motorcycle mechanics for hire, etc? Yep, most of us are too stupid and inexperienced to work on vehicles, engines or motorcycles, or even to understand how they work.

Nope -- only you are that great -- YOU are a professional mechanic! Wow, I'm really impressed! And unlike some of the really good mechanics that have been on this board and still are, YOU are that special, gifted mechanic who has bent valves 25 times! WTF? Are you really too stupid to do anything else for a living when that claim should prove to almost anyone that you are a slipshod, careless hack who has no business calling himself a mechanic and impugning all those who do that profession proud? I'd love to see a vote on how many would take their bike to a "mechanic" with that kind of record for fucking up hard.

But hey -- go ahead and insult good mechanics and those of us who can do that work without grenading the engine. Your sense of inadequacy is so palpable that I guess that's what gets you by. Another apparent case of being hung like a hamster while posting the attributes of a porn star.

Love your tactics in an argument, too. :lol: You resort to misdirection in continuing to go off on your claim of a 30% loss of compression, which is an admittedly unreliable recitation by Nightshine and is never corroborated by Zac. You ignore everything else. Like why your claim that the real problem was bent valves caused by the mechanic (an expensive **** up in which you have unassailable expertise) is nonsense? That bullshit guess doesn't hold up in the least -- neither Nightshine's head is compromised nor, curiously, are any of his intake valves. But did you ever check into any specifics about the FJR engine or the evidence it shows when it has crashed the valves from mistiming the camshafts? Of course not. More of your ignorant and careless "mechanic" shit, huh?

And then there's the matter of your ignorant rant that the intake valve guides should be toast at the same time as the exhaust valve guides. It's just more convenient to ignore the real facts, huh? Like the fact that in about 6 years of collective experience since this problem has been reported, diagnosed and repaired on Yamaha's dime, not once have intake valves been a part of this particular parts problem that Yamaha had in ordering and using undersized IDs on their FJR exhaust valve guides in Gen I FJRs? (BTW, they changed valve guides on the exhaust side for the '06 model year, which is why you don't see this problem in Gen IIs.) But you don't care about facts, any more than you care about being careful when working on the valve train of other people's vehicles. What an ignorant hack!

Unfortunately, too many shops have the occasional pissant like you pretending to be a mechanic, and it's people like you that are the reason I do 90% of the work on all my bikes and always have. But what you're good at is diagnosing dishonesty and theft from 2,000 miles off a bulletin board, while never so much as bothering to familiarize yourself with the nature of the specific engine problem you opine about. I believe it's called projection when you ascribe to others the personality defects you find in yourself and exercise when you screw up.

Now, I'm done reading your nonsense; you have nothing to offer, and I'd suggest you buy another brand motorcycle -- maybe a HD to fit your ego without substance? I'm off to the "Ignore Users" feature to reduce the noise. How about you do the same for me? :lol: :lol:

:finger:

 

[Ignacio]

I dare say I have burnt your ass, and that I should take that credit.

Whoa! You're pushing #5 and some others too. Not cool. :angry2:

Lighten up Francis! Take it down a notch. Breeeeeath.

13 posts and you're riling up the long-time respectable natives? Ummmm, sorry but you could be the most experienced mechanic in the world, but you didn't even know a 2006 was a Gen 2 at this thread. There's also a colorful and EXTENSIVE history of "the tick" that you clearly don't know. It goes past this thread, this week, this year.....this forum even!

I have a feeling you can be a great forum contributor, but you'll burn out your welcome if you keep it up like this. I HIGHLY suggest you do a little more reading on "the tick" before you post anymore on this subject. ....seriously man.

Meanwhile, I'm sure exskibum will take it down a notch too. He's nice that way.

Thanks.

The Management

 

[exskibum]

Meanwhile, I'm sure exskibum will take it down a notch too. He's nice that way.
Thanks.

The Management

Since you asked so nicely, but didn't have to -- you bet! Wet and cold where you are, too, Ig? Bored despite the game tonight, and pissed that it ain't even Friday!

:lol: :lol:

 

[FJRay]

Just gotta jump in on this.I own a 03 FJR and it was diagnosed as a ticker with bad exhaust guides Long before It became popular. It had substantial valve leakage on the exhaust side only and ran well. The repair was done at 16k. Only the exahust side was done other than the intakes were checked to make sure they were sealing properly. I will say it ran better after the repair but it did not run that bad before. The percentage of leakage was not checked because they were just looking for the source of the leak after the compression test. This was one of the first cases with this engine and there wasn't the information available like there is now.

It is a well known issue with early FJRs and a little research would help one from stepping on their personal parts in public

I think Rich is on the money on this one.

Just in case it matters, I am 61 and have been wrenching for a living on everything except aircraft since I was 15 and yes I have made mistakes but my record is pretty good.

 

[Ivan]

Hi Ivan. I was mistaken. You're not just mistaken or posting while intoxicated -- you're a fucking idiot. Your ego is so big that you need to come here and start out by slinging insults at everyone -- cheating customers and friends, lying to them and Yamaha, incompetent, some of us have no experience as motorcycle mechanics for hire, etc? Yep, most of us are too stupid and inexperienced to work on vehicles, engines or motorcycles, or even to understand how they work.

Nope -- only you are that great -- YOU are a professional mechanic! Wow, I'm really impressed! And unlike some of the really good mechanics that have been on this board and still are, YOU are that special, gifted mechanic who has bent valves 25 times! WTF? Are you really too stupid to do anything else for a living when that claim should prove to almost anyone that you are a slipshod, careless hack who has no business calling himself a mechanic and impugning all those who do that profession proud? I'd love to see a vote on how many would take their bike to a "mechanic" with that kind of record for fucking up hard.

But hey -- go ahead and insult good mechanics and those of us who can do that work without grenading the engine. Your sense of inadequacy is so palpable that I guess that's what gets you by. Another apparent case of being hung like a hamster while posting the attributes of a porn star.

Love your tactics in an argument, too. :lol: You resort to misdirection in continuing to go off on your claim of a 30% loss of compression, which is an admittedly unreliable recitation by Nightshine and is never corroborated by Zac. You ignore everything else. Like why your idiot's speculation that the real problem was bent valves caused by the mechanic (an expensive **** up in which you have unassailable expertise). That bullshit guess doesn't hold up in the least -- neither Nightshine's head is compromised nor, curiously, are any of his intake valves. But did you ever check into any specifics about the FJR engine or the evidence it shows when it has crashed the valves from mistiming the camshafts? Of course not. More of your ignorant and careless "mechanic" shit, huh?

And then there's the matter of your ignorant rant that the intake valve guides should be toast at the same time as the exhaust valve guides. It's just more convenient to ignore the real facts, huh? Like the fact that in about 6 years of collective experience since this problem has been reported, diagnosed and repaired on Yamaha's dime, not once have intake valves been a part of this particular parts problem that Yamaha had in ordering and using undersized IDs on their FJR exhaust valve guides in Gen I FJRs? (BTW, they changed valve guides on the exhaust side for the '06 model year, which is why you don't see this problem in Gen IIs.) But you don't care about facts, any more than you care about being careful when working on the valve train of other people's vehicles. What an ignorant hack!

Unfortunately, too many shops have the occasional pissant like you pretending to be a mechanic, and it's people like you that are the reason I do 90% of the work on all my bikes and always have. But what you're good at is diagnosing dishonesty and theft from 2,000 miles off a bulletin board, while never so much as bothering to familiarize yourself with the nature of the specific engine problem you opine about. I believe it's called projection when you ascribe to others the personality defects you find in yourself and exercise when you screw up.

Now, I'm done reading your nonsense; you have nothing to offer, and I'd suggest you buy another brand motorcycle -- maybe a HD to fit your ego without substance? I'm off to the "Ignore Users" feature to reduce the noise. How about you do the same for me? :lol: :lol:

:finger:

And again I ask who has the ego?

You still have not explained how an engine with a 30% loss of compression through leaking valves can run. So, if his valves aren't comprovised, how is he getting leaks across them? And the engine doesn't have to run to bend valves. Most times if you get the cam one notch out of alignment, then it will bend them as your adjusting the valves, so you don't even get to start it, which usually leads to a leakdown test, and ripping the head off. If you were a mechanic, you'd know that. But you're too busy assailing me because I have made mistakes, because I actually fix shit. People how don't make mistakes don't actually do anything. Judging by your slant, there is a reason you do 90% of the work on your scoots. Its pretty hard to find someone who would put up with a tongue lashing like that and not charge you a New York shrink's hourly rate. But apparently, you never read the bolded parts of my post. It is worth looking into and not just buying their supreme social skills and gold plaque character as a dealer ship. I wouldn't ever expect my customers to do so and neither should they.

I won't ignore you. You have resulted to insults against my mechanical ability when admitting that you have none of your own. You can ignore me, but I highly doubt you will, because you are waiting for me to reply, since you are fuming at the keyboard and can't keep your temper under control, as evidenced by your resorting to libel and unsubstantiated attacks against my state, my person and my level of intoxication. I have not slung an insult. I have questioned a course of action. You have slung insults. Not once have I said that Zac has done anything other than screw up and tried to cover his ass. That is not an insult. That is a reality, and that happens. Your insults only reflect on yourself, and I take them in stride, because I am sitting here, drinking a cup of coffee, chatting with my friends, and my pulse is about 65. My jugulars are not bulging and my blood pressure is well within check.

Once again. I entered into this discussion (which you have turned into a childish display of profanity) with the intention of saving a fellow biker from wasting money on unnecessary repairs. If you are all knowing about the intricacies of the FJR engine, then explain why Zac is right in clear and concise terms, which don't involve calling me and idiot and flipping me off or putting me on ignore. You would be better served to conduct yourself as an intelligent person and explain your reasoning instead of telling me to read through god knows how many pages of posts that may or may not have reliable information, from god knows how far back. Maybe someone with a better reign on their disposition would care to explain in your stead if you are not up to the task? I would be more than delighted to learn why I am wrong. Especially if someone can explain precisely why my hypothesis are invalid, other than because someone other than you did some research and has not seen fit to present it.

Furthermore, if I am ever in the vicinity of Roseville Yamaha, based on your actions, I will be certain to avoid them since your attitude has tarnished them. After all, if people with your disposition think they are the cat's ass, it sounds like a great place to avoid.

/salute

 

[Ivan]

Meanwhile, I'm sure exskibum will take it down a notch too. He's nice that way.

Thanks.

The Management

I am thinking he is not terribly nice that way according to the latest post in this thread. Pissing off one member because I questioned one of his friends is a light day for me. I am skeptical by nature. I am not the best tech in the world, and I am certainly not the worst. As far as post count, I come from a forum where over 1,000 posts made you a "guru". That was a bunch of BS because once anyone got 1k under their name anything they said was golden. One of them who got guru by copying and pasting what people said, and then told a newbie that if he ran more than 28 psi in his tires he would crash and die.

I am not one to sit idly by and let someone get screwed over, so, if this kind of stuff happens often, and I get jumped by a friend of a friend and called a fucking idiot because I don't know the specific intricacies of something. So be it. ski bum would have been a lot better off to explain why what I was saying wasn't true, and I could have learned, instead of jumping my shit for it. Therefore, I would say that jumping in the shit of a forum noob and telling them to buy a Fairy Gayvidson is the not cool part.

Also FWIW, I did send a PM to Bounce and ask if it would be kosher to post this sort of thing up, and he said (paraphrase) he didn't see a problem, but be ready for a dogpile. Which I was.

So, since I am new to the forum, was this a warning, or how do I read your post?

Admin Note: After some exchanges behind the scenes, Ivan had a nutty and is no longer welcome on this forum.

 

[Ignacio]

As far as post count, I come from a forum where over 1,000 posts made you a "guru". That was a bunch of BS because once anyone got 1k under their name anything they said was golden.

I'm not talking about somebody with 1000 posts. I'm talking about somebody with 13 posts....about 4 of which are them ranting like a wildman.

So, since I am new to the forum, was this a warning, or how do I read your post?

I was hoping you'd get a clue from the post, but now taking offline.

Also, closing the thread for the evening. Will reopen tomorrow once calmer heads have prevailed.

Update: It seems the light of morning didn't help much. Ivan had a nutty here. Ivan is no longer welcome on this forum.

 

[Fred W]

Calmer head checking in here:

Where did the 30% number that Ivan is using come from? I looked back through the thread and could not see anywhere that either Zac or Niteshine stated what the actual results of the leakdown test was. Maybe I missed it?

Either way, being another 1st gen owner, if there was oil in my exhaust headers, and I was at the trailing edge of my YES warranty, and Yamaha was still offering to pick up part of the tab, I'd have those well known inferior exhaust guides replaced now.

I hope Ivan can figure out this "friendly" forum thing here. I think he'd be an asset if he can learn to play nice with us other kids.

 

[Welsh]

Calmer head checking in here:

Where did the 30% number that Ivan is using come from? I looked back through the thread and could not see anywhere that either Zac or Niteshine stated what the actual results of the leakdown test was. Maybe I missed it?

Either way, being another 1st gen owner, if there was oil in my exhaust headers, and I was at the trailing edge of my YES warranty, and Yamaha was still offering to pick up part of the tab, I'd have those well known inferior exhaust guides replaced now.

I hope Ivan can figure out this "friendly" forum thing here. I think he'd be an asset if he can learn to play nice with us other kids.

the OP says that it was down by 20-30% across the board.

Oh, and being a GenII owner, I'm glad that this thread has run its course otherwise I wouldn't have known that this issue has been fixed

 

[beemerdons]

Say Ivan, are you single and looking for a new girlfriend? We of the FJR Forum have a gal we just cannot wait for you to meet: pgrhodes1; she is a real honey of a lady!

Miss Peggy matches your personality in so many ways, your Friends here on FJR Forum can't wait to set you up with Miss P.! https://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=122094&hl=

 

[TriggerT]

Holy crap, now I remember why I FOOKING LOVE this forum so much. My eyes are watering, and my sides hurt from laughing so much.

I just can't believe this kind of entertainment is free. It's like Days of Our Lives, but with an FJR twist.

 

[beemerdons]

Holy crap, now I remember why I FOOKING LOVE this forum so much. My eyes are watering, and my sides hurt from laughing so much.

I just can't believe this kind of entertainment is free. It's like Days of Our Lives, but with an FJR twist.

I hear you loud and clear, TriggerT; after I met RadioHowie I sold my TV set, then after I met Bustanut joker I sold my radio: Those two feckers are all of the entertainment I'll ever need; jes' sayin'!

 

[FJRay]

If we could have about one of these a week it sure would make the winter easier to tolerate.

From all of us to one of you, Thanks for the memories Ivan :yahoo:

 

[Bustanut joker]

Dayam!.. I took a nap last night and missed all the fun..

Just as well I suppose.. I was in a mood.

 

[rushes]

If we could have about one of these a week it sure would make the winter easier to tolerate.

From all of us to one of you, Thanks for the memories Ivan :yahoo:

I picked a bad week to quit drinkin....

 

[BwanaDik]

Hey, at least I learned about that fuel additive stuff. Going by the shop tonight anyway, will check it out then.