Silver Penguin
Silver Penguin
Why does the new law have to be specifically targeted at motorcycles? Why not substitute 'vehicle' for 'motorcycle' and get ALL the noise polluters nailed at the same time?
If the LEOs won't enforce, yet the populous wants enforcement, what options are you left with?this is another example of brain dead legislators writing yet another law because the ones already on the books aren't enforced.
does anyone really believe an open piped motorcycle (harley or otherwise) is not ALREADY in violation of noise ordinances already on the books in virtually every municipality?
personally I'm tired of hearing unmuffled V-twins from blocks away and would welcome action by the LEO's. I can't understand why they continue to allow the obnoxious noise makers.
Pretty much the only option left here was killing the problem via legislation. Nothing really brain dead about that.
It sucks for those of us who are responsible.
IMO - LEOs don't enforce it because many aspire to be (or are already part of) the problem. Anyhow, time is apparently better spent writing 5mph over tickets via a speed trap - you know, the real problem on our roadways.
Go on Mike... they fit like a marsupial glove or pouch as it may be.An' they fit like a . . . like a, well, they fit real well.Mike - The Wallaby gloves are better, just sayin'
Jill you silly person. That has logic to it, remember who what we're dealing with here... :dribble:Why does the new law have to be specifically targeted at motorcycles? Why not substitute 'vehicle' for 'motorcycle' and get ALL the noise polluters nailed at the same time?
That's the ridiculous part, 'cause like you said it's already covered. Here's what 27150 says already:Why does the new law have to be specifically targeted at motorcycles? Why not substitute 'vehicle' for 'motorcycle' and get ALL the noise polluters nailed at the same time?
If the LEOs won't enforce, yet the populous wants enforcement, what options are you left with?this is another example of brain dead legislators writing yet another law because the ones already on the books aren't enforced.
does anyone really believe an open piped motorcycle (harley or otherwise) is not ALREADY in violation of noise ordinances already on the books in virtually every municipality?
personally I'm tired of hearing unmuffled V-twins from blocks away and would welcome action by the LEO's. I can't understand why they continue to allow the obnoxious noise makers.
Pretty much the only option left here was killing the problem via legislation. Nothing really brain dead about that.
It sucks for those of us who are responsible.
IMO - LEOs don't enforce it because many aspire to be (or are already part of) the problem. Anyhow, time is apparently better spent writing 5mph over tickets via a speed trap - you know, the real problem on our roadways.
Read post #6 for an explanation about why the current law is not enforced. I think the new law is crap and should not have been passed. Very few agencies have the proper tool, a decibel meter, to determine the actual noise level of the exhaust system in question. Trying to enforce a noise issue without a decibel meter is like trying to enforce speed without radar, lidar, or pacing. Don’t blame the LEO’s, blame the legislature for passing laws that are difficult or impossible to enforce.
It seems that colorful Supreme Court characters can say that stuff in oral arguments that are also part of a larger written option and national narrative.A supreme court justice (I can't remember which one) once said of pornography ..."I can't define it but I know it when I see it."
ditto for excessively loud motorcycles; you don't need a decibel meter when the bikes noise rattles windows and drowns out the radio in your car. If all the LEO's did was consistently bust the really outrageously loud bikes that would probably put an adequate damper on the problem.
It seems that colorful Supreme Court characters can say that stuff in oral arguments that are also part of a larger written option and national narrative.A supreme court justice (I can't remember which one) once said of pornography ..."I can't define it but I know it when I see it."
ditto for excessively loud motorcycles; you don't need a decibel meter when the bikes noise rattles windows and drowns out the radio in your car. If all the LEO's did was consistently bust the really outrageously loud bikes that would probably put an adequate damper on the problem.
However, closer to the local level something without an objective and fairly easy to measure standard is difficult and often exploited by enterprising defense attorneys. LEO's could go on a ticket writing campaign, but unless those tickets hold up in local district court...they're not only thrown out, but end up costing more to undo all the tickets that weren't up to snuff.
One thing we had locally was a db standard for excessively loud car stereos, but outfitting every cop with db meters was a PITA. The standard changed to one of a cop hearing at a distance of like 250 feet. That then was easy to measure since they have speed lasers in their cars measure distance accurately to a few feet. It's a standard that is easy to measure and holds up in court well. It was fairly elegant actually!
However, this varying db standard cat is out of the bag and will be hard to enforce.
I completely agree with you! And yes, some car alarms are even more annoying than loud pipes!!!!!!!!!!Good stuff Snikers.
The one thing that gets me is they are getting quieter.
Also, setting off car alarms is becoming quite easy now. Some alarms are so sensitive that wind, or just local vibration (passing by) can set them off, or churping.
Just shows to go ya, some bad apples are spoiling the bunch.
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