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When I ride solo, I'm well within the design perameters and GVW. Those scales only get tipped when my lady rides with me which is only 20% of the time at best. I'll be happy if I get things dialed in just right for me solo. My heavier weight is actually an advantage to having a better ride.
Respectfully, for more than one reason you two should consider a weight loss program. it would be terrible if you had a bike failure because your total GVWwas exceeded. not to mention, your own personal health
Now don't hold back there Kev..just say it like it is.

You may well be right but that's pretty harsh.

Had a good giggle though.

I had a good giggle also.

I'm actually considering just using the FJR for solo riding. I keep the Corbin smuggler on most the time for that reason. I think a Goldwing will be in the works for dual riding in the future. I do appreciate the health concerns.

As far as the suspensions goes. I'm thinking that Mama Yama may not have gotten the valving and the compression rates too far off for what the bike was designed for. The variable that they can't get right for everyone is the weight load and therefore the spring requirements. Thats where personalization will have it's greatest effect. Assuming that Yamaha does know a little about suspensions, the valving, compression and damping should be close to where it needs to be. Of course with a variable system the bike can be tweaked more to your personal liking. As most have stated on smoother roads the OEM suspension feels simular to the modded ones. It's when road iiregularities are present that it's obvious that the modded suspensions are better. Assuming that the spring rates are proper for the modded suspensions the major variable just might be the proper spring rate itself.

Now when you give the proper spring rate for the OEM suspension a simular result to the modded suspension should be achieved. I attribute 90% of the differences to the proper setting of the spring rate. Assuming that OEM suspension isn't in a failed state (worn out) a lot of monies can be saved until it's necessary to replace the stock parts. At that point it wouldn't make sense to put the factory stuff back on but to use aftermarket stuff that does have better adjustability. One of the things that I have noticed about OEM shocks is that they do last a lot longer than the after market ones usually. I'm just speculating but maybe it's because the OEM shocks are usually a little heavier and use a steel housing as oppose to an aluminum one. That is to imply that the cylinders seldom wear out but the inerts do. If you replace the inerts on the OEM shocks in periodic intervals they usually come back to spec. I've heard it said that several aftermarket brands not to name any particular one (mostly all) tend to have a ballooning effect meaning that the interior clyinders would wear as well as the piston assembly. That is why I think they go to that added steps to anodize and coat the interior cylinder walls to minimize the wear.

On an all out sport bike or professional racing bike it's necessary to keep the weight down at all cost. I'm not in business with Klaus and I have nothing to profit other than attempting to have what's right for me. One of the things I like about this new 460 and 461 series shocks in the HyperPro line is that they use steel in the cylinder body and only the 7075 aircraft aluminum for the piston assembly where it counts most. For a sport touring bike that's not going to see track days one might benefit from the added durability and reliability. Most Pros change their shocks after every race and sometimes during a race.

Once my new front and rear springs come in and I have them installed I'll know better for sure. I'm just trying to offer inexpensive and viable alternatives that works for those who might want to do some tweaking and maybe save $1,500 in the process.

 
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FJRAust;

I said it out of concern, not trying to be harsh.

Thanks for not taking it the wrong way qmotion

PS anytime you want to head west I'd be happy to clock a few miles with you!

 
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(snip)That is to imply that the cylinders seldom wear out but the inerts do. If you replace the inerts on the OEM shocks in periodic intervals they usually come back to spec.
The OEM FJR shock is not rebuildable.

 
(snip)That is to imply that the cylinders seldom wear out but the inerts do. If you replace the inerts on the OEM shocks in periodic intervals they usually come back to spec.
The OEM FJR shock is not rebuildable.
So true. That's why you will have to replace them eventually. I actually made the statement from my experiences of having auto shocks rebuilt. I said that leading to why I like the sound of the HyperPro 460 and 461 series shock which is rebuildable. I was kind of justifying why I may not go with Ohlin or Penske even though they seem to be the shock of choice. For a street bike I think HyperPro might have something going that's worth looking into. The new product is just released so the jury is still out on it. Just as a note though, if you took an OEM shock apart I think you would find very little to no wear on steel alloy cyclinder walls as compared to the lighter aluminum ones. I'm told that in time people will probably see that the newest series of HyperPro will be the shock to beat. It's designer is the same (owner of Technoflex Suspensions) that pioneered the high and low speed valve circuitry currently used by all the other shock companies.

Just food for thought.

 
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Interesting still that only 5 people have actually replied to say how their suspension investment worked out for them. Is there a reason for the silence I wonder.

 
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Your original posting ask for people, that had had an occassion to judge the various set-ups, to respond. Are you really suprised that not many folks would have made the financial investment to sample these options? Most guys, like me, made their choice and it was limited to one.

 
Your original posting ask for people, that had had an occassion to judge the various set-ups, to respond. Are you really suprised that not many folks would have made the financial investment to sample these options? Most guys, like me, made their choice and it was limited to one.

Just diggin. There are even some that have had one setup and later changed to another. If you haven't had comparison experience then my previous reply wasn't for you. I'm sure there are others out there who have had oppurtunity to test serveral setups. Some have purchased one product through one gruop buy and also upgraded or changed in the next group buy. Not to mention those that have different setups on different bikes. Maybe someone like Warchild whos always trying new stuff. I sometimes envy them because I can't afford to financially try out and change different options either. It's really the reason for the post to begin with. To try and get the most bang for the buck and hopefully learn from others experiences and eliminate mistakes in the process. :) :evo:

peace

 
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qmotion....

I don't blame you for diggin. One of the great things about this board is that folks will openly share with you their experiences and ideas. I hope you get enough input to help you make an intelligent decision about your choice in suspension changes. Good luck.

 
FrunK have Wilber. Frunk werk guud.

rad, suspension novise

 
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Well, I've been running the heavy duty progressive rate front and rear springs for over a week now. Took me a while to get use to the feel of the suspension actually working. Previously on hard setting with my 300 lb+ weight it made the FJR feel as if it had a hardtail rear suspension. I had gotten use to it being that way. With the proper springs which are adequate for my weight it almost feels like I'm riding on a cushion of air. I still haven't had all my farkles installed yet which will add another 50 lbs to the bike but when I ride with my pillon (total 550 lbs+) the suspension no longer bottoms out. It almost feels funny taking turns at high speed (120 MPH+) when the roads are not perfectly track smooth and still feel the FJR obsorb bumps without loosing any composure. The FJR OEM front forks do have adjustable low speed compression as well as damping. The compression is adjusted by a screw near the bottom of the forks. I'm going to take a short ride back to Wilbers USA and let Klaus increase the compression some.

For those of us who are less than ideal weight or greater than for that matter, I recommend HyperPro infinite rate progressive springs. With only 8,200 miles on my FJR I'm sure there is a lot of life still left in my shocks. At what ever time my shocks start to show some wear then I'll opt to do a rear suspension mod such as Penske, Ohlins and HyperPro. Actually I'll just go with the HyperPro 461 series shock and save some money. HyperPro is good stuff. Don't get fooled by marketing.

What makes this America is that we usually have options for what ever we choose to do. I just want to say don't cross Wilbers USA off your list of choices. Klaus knows his stuff and has what it takes to make your FJR or any bike working the way you want it to.

 
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G man: I just did my shocks front and rear at gp suspensions june 11th.07. Than I was able to test the suspension on the rest of my ride . Penske on the rear and GP's valving and new spring on the front. Since I have had it on and have had a chance to ride and see how the suspension works , it is great the ride has smoothed out, able to track corners no more bouncing going through turns, less tired. and if you enter a turn a little to hot the suspension is there to help you instead of going down or crashing.

This is one improvement that is worth spending the extra money on. Do not go the cheap route

this is my take onyour Q? weekend rider :)

 
Suspension neophyte here... Did the middle of the road Wilburs rear shock & the front springs with the GB, had Klaus install & calibrate. Love the handling change over stock but don't have anything other than cruiser experience to compare it to (i.e. no Blackbird in my past...).

As a side note, my service shop said it looks like the rear shock is leaking slightly (after 10 k miles). I'll have to give Klaus a call & see how he wants to handle this. I had an email exchange with the Wilburs factory folks, & they don't seem to know what the words 'customer service' mean (whaddya mean you want me to ship it back to Germany ??? )..

 
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GP Suspension massaged front end & a Penske from GP on the rear.....big :good: .....to GP....

Mike,

Forgive my ignorance. What does this set-up bring the maximum allowed weight up to? I'm thinking about this going with the Penske rear w/ a front massage. I would need it to allow 550 lbs. Thanks.

 
I have my suspension set up for agressive ridding. I ride one up rear spring is around 850lbs front I did not get the spring rate but it is agressive also . I did the max and it has been great my wait around 100kg

weekend rider :)

 
GP Suspension massaged front end & a Penske from GP on the rear.....big :good: .....to GP....

Mike,

Forgive my ignorance. What does this set-up bring the maximum allowed weight up to? I'm thinking about this going with the Penske rear w/ a front massage. I would need it to allow 550 lbs. Thanks.

GVW is determined by more than spring weight. The tires have a maximum weight rating also. I just installed heavier springs on the OEM shock. I weigh over 300#. The heavier spring is allowing the shock to function as is should instead of using up it's compression to help support my weight.

 
I made the off hand comment to my wife that with the two of us on the bike we exceed the recomended GVW....now she won't ride with me...<sigh>.... :yahoo:

Actually, it seems to have pushed her a little closer to taking the MSF course and getting her own bike.

Ray

 
Any proper upgrade will improve the FJR suspension. Never ending thread which shock etc is better. The most important thing is to get the proper set up after all is matched to your specs and riding style.

I had the Wilbers first group buy and the progressive springs did not match up with the undersprung rear spring. So I after not getting the results I had hoped for I went to a professional. Made the front springs straight rate and re-sprung the rear spring and had it properly set up. What a great investment.

 
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