airboss
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+1 on pulling through the crisis.
and get a second opinon on the Plavix, that's some heavy duty sh*t, some doctors have a tendency to over medicate don't ya know.
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and get a second opinon on the Plavix, that's some heavy duty sh*t, some doctors have a tendency to over medicate don't ya know.
mhc
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Plavix will not up your ods of a bleed but it will make the bleed much worse. It stops the blood from clotting off.
I have two stents in my hart and have been on Plavix and Aspirin for 3.5 Yrs. When I do cut or injury myself ( about
once or twice a week) I bleed or bruse more than a little. At first I tryed to slowdown a little but after a short time
I just went back to what I injoyed, Martial Arts,Skining,cutting fire wood and Riding. Take good care of yourself but
don"t stop doing what makes you YOU.
I have two stents in my hart and have been on Plavix and Aspirin for 3.5 Yrs. When I do cut or injury myself ( about
once or twice a week) I bleed or bruse more than a little. At first I tryed to slowdown a little but after a short time
I just went back to what I injoyed, Martial Arts,Skining,cutting fire wood and Riding. Take good care of yourself but
don"t stop doing what makes you YOU.
One poster pointed out consideration for survivors - kids, spouse, parents, etc. Some family members have expressed great fears that we will be injured or killed while out on the bikes which, of course, is a real possibility. My wife and I have considered their sentiments and feelings so have had a discussion with them all that goes along these paraphrased lines: "We are completely cognizant of the risks inherent in moving 75 mph (never, ever faster, right?!), sometimes in traffic, with our only protection being our skills and riding gear. We accept these risks as a counterpoint to the immense pleasure we get from riding together. We will always do what we can to mitigate the risks. If, however, some day the worst were to happen, be comforted by the knowledge that we knew the risks, accepted them and, as a result, enjoyed an even more wonderful life."
I don't know if they really feel any better about our riding choice, but in the event of a tragedy, they might at least better understand our decision.
Last summer my wife and I had a little spill while adventure touring some gravel out in the boonies. We had some bumps and bruises (thank goodness for good gear) and Marilyn wound up with a broken bone in her ankle. I told her that as we were in the process of being slammed to the ground, then sliding along it with a motorcycle on our legs, I was conscious that what had happened, and the results, were my fault. I was already feeling some guilt and remorse (and fear!) as we slid to a stop. She countered: "********! You've never made me get on that bike. That is my decision and I know the risks. When are we going riding again?"
Will this actually make me better able to deal with it if something serious happened to her in a crash? I don't know and hope to never find out.
I don't know if they really feel any better about our riding choice, but in the event of a tragedy, they might at least better understand our decision.
Last summer my wife and I had a little spill while adventure touring some gravel out in the boonies. We had some bumps and bruises (thank goodness for good gear) and Marilyn wound up with a broken bone in her ankle. I told her that as we were in the process of being slammed to the ground, then sliding along it with a motorcycle on our legs, I was conscious that what had happened, and the results, were my fault. I was already feeling some guilt and remorse (and fear!) as we slid to a stop. She countered: "********! You've never made me get on that bike. That is my decision and I know the risks. When are we going riding again?"
Will this actually make me better able to deal with it if something serious happened to her in a crash? I don't know and hope to never find out.
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James Burleigh
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I am overwhelmed and gladdened by the abundance of concern, support, good will, and excellent advice expressed in these responses; I have read them all. Together they contain all the emotional and logical complexities of my decision, from gut instinct and love of riding to risk theory and the science of pharmacology (and yes, as soon as I got home it occurred to me to ask my doctor about the need to be on plavix in the first place, and potential alternatives).
I don't know where I'm going to land with this decision; I rode home in the rain yesterday from the cardiology appointment that was the genesis for the thread, and more than ever I felt like a huge Humpty-Dumpty egg sitting on a two-wheeled device on a slippery surface. Parents out there: Remember that feeling you had when you brought your first-born home from the hospital, and you felt like your car was a magnet for every other vehicle on the road to crash into you, and were so relieved when you got home safely? I wonder if that's how I'll feel every time I get on the bike.
Finally, there is one other element that may not have been mentioned: repellence. For me there is a pull-push with riding the bike: what pulls me is the joy of riding; what pushes me (repels me) is the hatred of driving a car and getting stuck in rush-hour traffic or having to commute on the train (BART). But maybe it's time for Superman to live with the mortals.
But to be honest, over the last few months, before my little incident, I have been feeling more and more like it may be getting close to time to give up the bike, that riding full time cannot be sustainable over the long term. The reason is because it seems to me that drivers are more distracted than ever out there, and that the margin of safety involving all those variables outside my control is just narrowing too much. I mean, we can have great traffic strategies, be expert in handling the bike, and wear ATGATT, but to get on that bike day after day we have to have faith that at some level drivers are at least looking out their windshields. When that faith goes away, then it just becomes too scary.
We shall see....
I don't know where I'm going to land with this decision; I rode home in the rain yesterday from the cardiology appointment that was the genesis for the thread, and more than ever I felt like a huge Humpty-Dumpty egg sitting on a two-wheeled device on a slippery surface. Parents out there: Remember that feeling you had when you brought your first-born home from the hospital, and you felt like your car was a magnet for every other vehicle on the road to crash into you, and were so relieved when you got home safely? I wonder if that's how I'll feel every time I get on the bike.
Finally, there is one other element that may not have been mentioned: repellence. For me there is a pull-push with riding the bike: what pulls me is the joy of riding; what pushes me (repels me) is the hatred of driving a car and getting stuck in rush-hour traffic or having to commute on the train (BART). But maybe it's time for Superman to live with the mortals.
But to be honest, over the last few months, before my little incident, I have been feeling more and more like it may be getting close to time to give up the bike, that riding full time cannot be sustainable over the long term. The reason is because it seems to me that drivers are more distracted than ever out there, and that the margin of safety involving all those variables outside my control is just narrowing too much. I mean, we can have great traffic strategies, be expert in handling the bike, and wear ATGATT, but to get on that bike day after day we have to have faith that at some level drivers are at least looking out their windshields. When that faith goes away, then it just becomes too scary.
We shall see....
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FJRay
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I can see you point for not riding full time and the comute thing. Driving without the distractions is more than a lot of people able to do. I would not ride in that kind of traffic and for that matter I go around Bend, Or and it is only 80k in population.
Save the riding for enjoyment and the oportunity to enjoy you tribal members. We need the annual pep talks.
Figure out what meds you need and are comfortable with and move on with life. After a stroke I live with warfarin, simastatin and furosemide with a couple others thrown in. Seems to work fine and no side effects other than pissin like a race horse every morning.
Save the riding for enjoyment and the oportunity to enjoy you tribal members. We need the annual pep talks.
Figure out what meds you need and are comfortable with and move on with life. After a stroke I live with warfarin, simastatin and furosemide with a couple others thrown in. Seems to work fine and no side effects other than pissin like a race horse every morning.
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Plavix
All medicines may cause side effects, but many people have no, or minor, side effects. Check with your doctor if any of these most COMMON side effects persist or become bothersome when using Plavix:
Easy bruising; minor bleeding.
Seek medical attention right away if any of these SEVERE side effects occur when using Plavix:
Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue; unusual hoarseness); black, tarry stools; bleeding in the eye; change in the amount of urine produced; change in vision; chest pain; confusion; dark or bloody urine; fever, chills, or sore throat; loss of appetite; pale skin; purple skin patches; seizures; severe, persistent headache; speech problems; stomach or back pain; unexplained weight loss; unusual bruising; unusual, prolonged, or severe bleeding (eg, excessive bleeding from cuts, increased menstrual bleeding, unexplained ******l bleeding, unusual bleeding from the gums when brushing); unusual tiredness or weakness; yellowing of the skin or eyes.
Side effects of Plavix could increase the risk of heart attacks, strokes, gastrointestinal bleeds and ulcers. Lawsuits are being reviewed.>>REQUEST A CLAIM EVALUATION
Studies have found that Plavix side effects could increase the risk of serious and potentially fatal injuries for some users. Although the manufacturers advertised that Plavix is better than Aspirin, it has been shown to be no more effective and could be more dangerous for some users.
Plavix side effects have been linked to an increased risk of the following injuries:
•Heart Attacks
•Strokes
•Gastrointestinal Bleeding or Hemorrhaging
•Severe Ulcers
•Thrombotic Thrombocytopenic Purpora (TTP)
•Death
The lawyers at Saiontz & Kirk, P.A. are reviewing and investigating potential Plavix lawsuits nationwide to obtain compensation for those who have been injured by the manufacturer's failure to warn about these side effects. Request a free consultation to find out if you qualify for a claim. There are no fees or expenses unless a recovery is obtained.
Fug it.....I'd ride, and try to find something other than Plavix my friend. !
All medicines may cause side effects, but many people have no, or minor, side effects. Check with your doctor if any of these most COMMON side effects persist or become bothersome when using Plavix:
Easy bruising; minor bleeding.
Seek medical attention right away if any of these SEVERE side effects occur when using Plavix:
Severe allergic reactions (rash; hives; itching; difficulty breathing; tightness in the chest; swelling of the mouth, face, lips, or tongue; unusual hoarseness); black, tarry stools; bleeding in the eye; change in the amount of urine produced; change in vision; chest pain; confusion; dark or bloody urine; fever, chills, or sore throat; loss of appetite; pale skin; purple skin patches; seizures; severe, persistent headache; speech problems; stomach or back pain; unexplained weight loss; unusual bruising; unusual, prolonged, or severe bleeding (eg, excessive bleeding from cuts, increased menstrual bleeding, unexplained ******l bleeding, unusual bleeding from the gums when brushing); unusual tiredness or weakness; yellowing of the skin or eyes.
Side effects of Plavix could increase the risk of heart attacks, strokes, gastrointestinal bleeds and ulcers. Lawsuits are being reviewed.>>REQUEST A CLAIM EVALUATION
Studies have found that Plavix side effects could increase the risk of serious and potentially fatal injuries for some users. Although the manufacturers advertised that Plavix is better than Aspirin, it has been shown to be no more effective and could be more dangerous for some users.
Plavix side effects have been linked to an increased risk of the following injuries:
•Heart Attacks
•Strokes
•Gastrointestinal Bleeding or Hemorrhaging
•Severe Ulcers
•Thrombotic Thrombocytopenic Purpora (TTP)
•Death
The lawyers at Saiontz & Kirk, P.A. are reviewing and investigating potential Plavix lawsuits nationwide to obtain compensation for those who have been injured by the manufacturer's failure to warn about these side effects. Request a free consultation to find out if you qualify for a claim. There are no fees or expenses unless a recovery is obtained.
Fug it.....I'd ride, and try to find something other than Plavix my friend. !
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And another article. Don't you have high blood pressure........
PLAVIX HEART ATTACKS AND STROKES
In a desire to increase profits, the manufacturers pushed uses for Plavix which were not FDA approved. These Plavix off-label uses significantly increased the risk of heart attacks and strokes, even though the medication was prescribed to reduce the risk of such events.
For individuals with high cholesterol or high blood pressure, Plavix nearly doubles the risk of heart attacks, strokes and bleeding. In many cases Plavix is prescribed by doctors for atherosclerosis, following angioplasty and after use of drug-coated stents to reduce the risk of clotting. A study issued in March 2006 found that Plavix offered no significant benefit over aspirin, and actually increases the risk of heart attacks, strokes and bleeding for these users
PLAVIX HEART ATTACKS AND STROKES
In a desire to increase profits, the manufacturers pushed uses for Plavix which were not FDA approved. These Plavix off-label uses significantly increased the risk of heart attacks and strokes, even though the medication was prescribed to reduce the risk of such events.
For individuals with high cholesterol or high blood pressure, Plavix nearly doubles the risk of heart attacks, strokes and bleeding. In many cases Plavix is prescribed by doctors for atherosclerosis, following angioplasty and after use of drug-coated stents to reduce the risk of clotting. A study issued in March 2006 found that Plavix offered no significant benefit over aspirin, and actually increases the risk of heart attacks, strokes and bleeding for these users
Man, get off that ****!!
Then ride. Problem solved.
Then ride. Problem solved.
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FJR-RemingtonRider
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Encouraging and thought provoking stuff here.
Stay prayed up if that's your thing and live on.
Stay prayed up if that's your thing and live on.
redtail
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Just spent time with my Father-in-law yesterday. He's 84 and rode all his life, married 60 years and they eloped on an Indian!
A few years ago he started having some TIA's? (like a mini stroke). The side of his face and speech would go blurry for a bit and then pass. Well the doctors got him all set up and he's been fine for awhile. He finally agreed to park the bike on one condition.
He went out and got a convertible Mitsubishi Spider! He is my Hero and I'm glad my kids get to spend time with him.
If it was me, and it kind of is, I'd stay out of traffic as much as possible and ride for fun. Sometimes, I take off on the bike and I'm just not feeling it. So I turn around and take it home and jump in the truck. That way I can better my odds and still be riding for a long time (knock on wood)!
Hope your answer comes easy.
A few years ago he started having some TIA's? (like a mini stroke). The side of his face and speech would go blurry for a bit and then pass. Well the doctors got him all set up and he's been fine for awhile. He finally agreed to park the bike on one condition.
He went out and got a convertible Mitsubishi Spider! He is my Hero and I'm glad my kids get to spend time with him.
If it was me, and it kind of is, I'd stay out of traffic as much as possible and ride for fun. Sometimes, I take off on the bike and I'm just not feeling it. So I turn around and take it home and jump in the truck. That way I can better my odds and still be riding for a long time (knock on wood)!
Hope your answer comes easy.
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I'm with brother Ray, Hans. Give up the higher probability of interacting with the not present cagers in the daily commute and ride for leisure purposes only. Clutches last longer that way, too.
dj bill
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are you gonna give up *** also,just saying that can kill you faster,twistin the throttle never got my heart beating as fast as a big blonde with her feet pointed up.daily commute is the thing to cut out.weekends are much mellower all around.choice is only yours to make.glad you are doing better.
beemerdons
Certifiable Old Fart
+1, Gunny! I thought Mike-HYCLE had given the best advice before, but my buddy Bill's advice is superb: Get laid more often and just ride your moto on the weekends!
Hans - This is a very personal thing as many have stated. We'd respect whatever you choose. You do what's right and feels right for you. I hope we see you on rides and here (hee-hee) hear more of your travels, but if you choose not to ride, that's ok too.
Your "great adventure" does have some rather introspective thought for you and your family.
Good luck on your decision.
Your "great adventure" does have some rather introspective thought for you and your family.
Good luck on your decision.
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LagerHead
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Bingo!
This is a very timely question. I was thinking this morning on my way to work about all the people that were commenting on my riding on Wednesday when it was 18 degress (F) outside. None asked why I did it, but the answer is simple. When I'm in the saddle headed down the road it's some of the most calm and peaceful time of my day, week, month, year, you name it. I can literally feel the difference in my blood pressure and overall inner peace when I'm on my motorcycle.
Whenever you hear of someone that was killed in a motorcycle accident, and almost all of us know at least one person who was, what do we always say? "At least he died doing something he loved." If that's all that's said about me at my funeral, I think I could live with that.
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beemerdons
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There is a valid reason that SacramentoMike's nickname is "Mr. Obvious", but we do have a another nickname for him, but we just can't use it in public!
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You might be surprised what other doctors might say about it. Maybe there is an alternative medication or treatment you could use which wouldn't have the same head injury risk.
Have you seen another couple doctors? Are they all specialists in that field? I've found medicine is not the science it is made out to be. A lot of times you will find two doctors giving you different advice. Obviously those meds and head injuries are a bad mix, but maybe something your doctor thinks isn't possible or hadn't even considered would work for you.
I hate the way doctors give you absolute statements. Then you find out there was an alternative all along which could have made your life easier/better.
Have you seen another couple doctors? Are they all specialists in that field? I've found medicine is not the science it is made out to be. A lot of times you will find two doctors giving you different advice. Obviously those meds and head injuries are a bad mix, but maybe something your doctor thinks isn't possible or hadn't even considered would work for you.
I hate the way doctors give you absolute statements. Then you find out there was an alternative all along which could have made your life easier/better.
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