Flyguy
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Could you at least post the individual ratings if that sort of info was given?
Okay MM2, didn't have breakfast this morning? If Bike posted all the articles online then they would not be Britain's largest selling motorcycle magazine. Here is the link anyways- Bike UK mag. As to your second idea, if that circumnavigated copyright laws, then any pirate could just email Don. He could be the clearing house for pirated materials. Too funny, MM2. You are busting me up this morning. There is always the educational fair use defense to copyright infringement. Y'all need edgyoumacaten dontcha?They don't have a website you could link?
You could email it to Don and HE could post it! :dribble:
Well, it was not given in any sort of meaningful way without the article. Each of the five reviewers picked his favorite and then ranked the others. It seems that the RT was only picked first by one reviewer. Note, the FJR was picked 1st by two riders. However, no reviewer hated the RT so the average was good enough to place it first overall. Which I think is problematic. This extensive test was marred by a chessy ranking system at the end. A couple guys just got buffeted by the OEM windscreen and hated the long, fast ride. I do not fault them on that point, but come on and do what any novice would do and change the screen out so you can really evaluate the bike. Three reviews had high speed weave on the st1300 and it finished higher? Windscreens are easily fixable but high speed weave is not. In sum, the final results are ***** (proper Queen's English here). However, the performance tests and article are gold.Could you at least post the individual ratings if that sort of info was given?
Yeah, but that is base. Try to find a BMW bike at that price. Each one has this package and that package. Every guy I have met on a k1200gt has spent 23K-25K out the door for the ride. I spent 12.5K on the new 06 FJR plus another 3K to Garmin, Russell, Skyway, Rifle and Smitty. So in my book it is roughly $16K vs. $25K. However, I do not have factory options, so no yamaha warranty. I also do not have electronic suspension or heated grips (yet). Great article but flawed results. And good point Ionbeam, that this does not take into account the purchase price or ownership costs which are disparate.
Your such a tease! <_< What were the other 2 first place votes!
So for $200 you can fix the biggest concerns of the reviewers and still have $6k to spend on all other kinds of things.In sum, many of the reviewers hated the heavy sprung throttle and small OEM windscreen. I wonder what they would pick if they had actual customers bikes after one year of farkling?
I read England's BIKE from time-to-time -- and judge their editorial staff to be quite experienced and able to sift the wheat from the chaff. All moto-mags like to think they're the be-all and end-all in moto-knowledge and it takes some time to 'get to know' who's saying what in order to make a valid assessment. I certainly have my 'favorites' -- who's opinion I weigh more than others. With the exception of a notable few: Peter Egan and John Burns (to name two) -- the U.S. moto-journos are littered with diletantes, factory shills, and know-nothings. IMO, BIKE's credentials rate pretty high.<snip>The individual results, which are meaningless according to my analysis ....
I read England's BIKE from time-to-time -- and judge their editorial staff to be quite experienced and able to sift the wheat from the chaff. All moto-mags like to think they're the be-all and end-all in moto-knowledge and it takes some time to 'get to know' who's saying what in order to make a valid assessment. I certainly have my 'favorites' -- who's opinion I weigh more than others. With the exception of a notable few: Peter Egan and John Burns (to name two) -- the U.S. moto-journos are littered with diletantes, factory shills, and know-nothings. IMO, BIKE's credentials rate pretty high.<snip>The individual results, which are meaningless according to my analysis ....
Interesting that they, generally, found that old, out-dated, boxer-twin to still have some merit in general sport-touring? Is all the modern technology applied to the four others "all-for-naught"....?? :blink: :huh:
Something is very wrong with the quarter times.Your such a tease! <_< What were the other 2 first place votes!
Well, I have been called worst things. OKAY! Note, you get to know the reviewers personality and riding style over a period of reading. I cannot instill that into this post, but the two that picked the FJR were the tallest two reviewers, both sightly over 6 feet. The individual results, which are meaningless according to my analysis are listed in order of first choice to last below.
Paul Allen FJR,RT,GTR,ST1300,GT
Chippy Wood GT,GTR,RT,ST1300,FJR
MArtin Gibbons RT,ST1300,GT,FJR,GTR
Pete Boast FJR,GT,ST1300,RT,GTR
Simon Hargraves ST1300,GT,RT,GTR,FGR
Overall RT,GT,ST1300,FJR,GTR
Last bit of goodness- uncorrected standing 1/4 mile times
RT 13.1s
St1300 12.5s
FJR 12.3s
GT 11.8s
GTR 10.85s
The GTR moves out but handle poorly. It is still a muscle bike, might as well buy a ZX-14 if you are seriously think about a GTR.
Oh, trust me, had they tested an AE model, we would had ended up in the cellar, no question.The A model was tested.Havn't seen the mag or the article, but did it specify if they tested a "A" model or an "AE" model?
This is the 2nd big mainstream review that that has knocked the big Kawk GT's **** in the dirt with a last place finish.... haarrm....
MamaYama could fix these things -- if they wanted to. Makes one think that they're there purposely -as a 'red herring' to divert testers from actually evaluating the whole bike? The "clunky" shifting too -- Kawi C-10 had a brake on 1st gear so that when it was being selected the shift lever slowed the gear's rotation for a quiet shift -- Yammie could do that.....items of little or no consequence, or can easily be fixed .... In this case, neither of these big concerns really address the fitness of the motorcycle as the throttle can be "fixed" by releasing the spring one turn and for less than $200 dollar you can add many different kinds of windscreen.In sum, many of the reviewers hated the heavy sprung throttle and small OEM windscreen. I wonder what they would pick if they had actual customers bikes after one year of farkling?
There are no bad bikes. I read the reviews but none of them will make me buy a $20K bike or an ugly one (ST1300) :lol:
96 The Big Test
It’s the heavyweight battle to decide
the European crown: BMW R1200RT
v BMW K1200GT v Honda Pan
European v Kawasaki 1400GTR v Yamaha FJR1300 to the Czech Republic and back
The magazine, which is the only bike mag I feel worth reading has the following test results-
1st BWM 1200RT
2nd BMW 1200GT
3rd Honda ST1300
4th Yamaha FJR1300
Last Kawi GTR 1400
The article is extensive with very good and interesting performance data. I encourage you to pick up a copy and read it (usually available at Cycle Gear)Even though the rankings are disappointing to me personally, the reviewers were split and fragmented on their rankings. Of 5 reviewers, 2 picked the FJR as their personal favorites. Of note, only one picked the RT as his favorite. They put 2500 miles on each bike during the test. In sum, many of the reviewers hated the heavy sprung throttle and small OEM windscreen. I wonder what they would pick if they had actual customers bikes after one year of farkling?
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