What brand of oil and air filter do you all use?

[FJRless]

I don't know of an instance where it's happened with any motorcycle owners but factually speaking, numerous automobile owners have had warranty denied on complete engine failures due to the position taken by manufacturers and authorized dealers that those failures occurred as a result of an aftermarket (not isolated to one brand) oil filter. It has happened and, I think, continues to happen in cases with several different brand oil filters. If you still have warranty, why risk it? If you don't have warranty and believe it couldn't happen to you, that's your option.

 

[FJR Flyer]

I don't know of an instance where it's happened with any motorcycle owners but factually speaking, numerous automobile owners have had warranty denied on complete engine failures due to the position taken by manufacturers and authorized dealers that those failures occurred as a result of an aftermarket (not isolated to one brand) oil filter. It has happened and, I think, continues to happen in cases with several different brand oil filters. If you still have warranty, why risk it? If you don't have warranty and believe it couldn't happen to you, that's your option.

Thought the courts threw that argument out long ago. Last info I had from a new car dealer was that they didn't care what brands you used, as long as they met SAE spec, and you kept all your receipts.

I'm using the PureOne filter (painted black). Also, picked up a Uni foam replacement filter on ebay last year for about $35 or so.

 

[Fred W]

Good thing nobody has ever experienced a "complete engine failure" (whatever that entails) on an FJR then...

Closest thing to that was Eric's cylinders wearing prematurely, but that was traced to a mechanic's error leaving an unfiltered air opening into the intake. I don't think that was covered by warranty either.

Or I guess you might include the CCT grenades in the complete failure category, but again, that is not a lubrication related problem.

 

[FJRless]

I don't know of an instance where it's happened with any motorcycle owners but factually speaking, numerous automobile owners have had warranty denied on complete engine failures due to the position taken by manufacturers and authorized dealers that those failures occurred as a result of an aftermarket (not isolated to one brand) oil filter. It has happened and, I think, continues to happen in cases with several different brand oil filters. If you still have warranty, why risk it? If you don't have warranty and believe it couldn't happen to you, that's your option.

Thought the courts threw that argument out long ago. Last info I had from a new car dealer was that they didn't care what brands you used, as long as they met SAE spec, and you kept all your receipts.

I'm using the PureOne filter (painted black). Also, picked up a Uni foam replacement filter on ebay last year for about $35 or so.

I think most people on this forum and probably most people on this planet know what a complete engine failure is. If you have a supreme court ruling or a ruling from a lower court on this, then cite it. But if you're just going to talk out of your ***** so you can feel the air pass over your anuses, save it. :crazy:

 

[Fred W]

Absolutely. Everyone knows what a "complete engine failure" is. A "complete engine failure" is the phrase used by someone who doesn't know anything about how engines work (or fail) to describe a major failure of some sort. I suppose that this phrase is used to differentiate it from a partial engine failure or an incomplete engine failure.

In actuality they may be trying to describe seized piston(s), or a thrown rod, or it might be spun main bearings... etc., etc.

Since you purport to have some kind of professional status and mechanical aptitude one would have expected you to use a more specific description of the actual failure(s) that were allegedly refused warranty coverage.

But I stand by my prior assertion that there have been no major lubrication-related engine failures reported by anyone on this forum, and furthermore, no warranty claim refusals stemming from use of non-OEM filters. Clearly the forum is not all FJR owners, but it does represent a good enough population to be of significance.

 

[ionbeam]

If you have an engine failure that a dealer says is directly due to oil/oil filter/air filter not performing its job, then the repair claim would be with the oil company or filter manufacturer, no? I think the only winner in this type of a situation would be the lawyers involved.

 

[FJRless]

Absolutely. Everyone knows what a "complete engine failure" is. A "complete engine failure" is the phrase used by someone who doesn't know anything about how engines work (or fail) to describe a major failure of some sort. I suppose that this phrase is used to differentiate it from a partial engine failure or an incomplete engine failure.
In actuality they may be trying to describe seized piston(s), or a thrown rod, or it might be spun main bearings... etc., etc.

Since you purport to have some kind of professional status and mechanical aptitude one would have expected you to use a more specific description of the actual failure(s) that were allegedly refused warranty coverage.

But I stand by my prior assertion that there have been no major lubrication-related engine failures reported by anyone on this forum, and furthermore, no warranty claim refusals stemming from use of non-OEM filters. Clearly the forum is not all FJR owners, but it does represent a good enough population to be of significance.

Having finished a 26-year career in the automotive industry in fixed operations in retail and OEM I think I understand how engines work. The OP asked what type of oil filters were being used by others. I provided constructive information to assist that individual based on my experiences in the real world. I didn't think it was necessary to give a dissertation on the 172 moving parts of a typical internal combustion engine and I didn't expect people like you to find sport in refuting everything you read with mindless drivel. So, instead of flapping your gums in everyone of your posts to show everyone how smart you are, or how big your ***** is why don't you try a new direction?

 

[SkooterG]

Holy cow, just came upon this. FJRless, you have the tact of a pit bull. Many peeps are going to have a bit of trouble with what you assert, so if you can't take a little heat, get out of the kitchen. And remember, personal attacks are not allowed here.

FJR Flyer - not the courts, but the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975. Manufacturers can't deny warranty claims based solely on the fact that a non-OEM oil filter is used. To deny a claim, they have to be able to prove the non-OEM part caused the failure.

 

[Fred W]

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[FJRay]

Holy cow, just came upon this. FJRless, you have the tact of a pit bull. Many peeps are going to have a bit of trouble with what you assert, so if you can't take a little heat, get out of the kitchen. And remember, personal attacks are not allowed here.
FJR Flyer - not the courts, but the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975. Manufacturers can't deny warranty claims based solely on the fact that a non-OEM oil filter is used. To deny a claim, they have to be able to prove the non-OEM part caused the failure.

I may be wrong but I believe in that same law, If the manufacturer requires the use of their products to maintain warranty they have to supply them free of charge.

 

[FJRless]

Holy cow, just came upon this. FJRless, you have the tact of a pit bull. Many peeps are going to have a bit of trouble with what you assert, so if you can't take a little heat, get out of the kitchen. And remember, personal attacks are not allowed here.
FJR Flyer - not the courts, but the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975. Manufacturers can't deny warranty claims based solely on the fact that a non-OEM oil filter is used. To deny a claim, they have to be able to prove the non-OEM part caused the failure.

Yeah, sometimes I get a little carried away. You're correct in what you've cited regarding Mag-Moss but the operative in that excerpt is solely and a consumer has no remedy under the act in cases where there is reasonable conclusion. Consequently, those cases are handled at a state level rather than federal. The point is that many consumer dollars have been spent rebuilding or replacing engines on vehicles under factory warranty due to failures diagnosed as related to AM oil filters. I personally know of over 2700 cases.

 

[S76]

FJRski

Regarding the K&N air filters, this is my obvservation. I know alot of people use them but.....

I have a Ford Diesel and on those forums there are many cases of people using the K&N filters and ruining the engines due to "Dusting" which means they ingested fine dirt. Granted these incidents usually happened where they tend to drive many miles of dirt roads on ranches and such. But still, it happened.

I put one on my truck and instantly gained 12% better fuel economy along with a noticable performance gain. So what does that tell you? Diesels are senstive to how much air they get vs how they perform and the K&N definetely let more air in. But the only way to do that is at the cost of filtration. You can't have both. I removed the $75 K&N from my truck and threw it out when I learned of the problems. I think the extra fuel cost is cheaper than a new engine.

What does all that have to do with our bike engines? Everything.

 

[FJRay]

Holy cow, just came upon this. FJRless, you have the tact of a pit bull. Many peeps are going to have a bit of trouble with what you assert, so if you can't take a little heat, get out of the kitchen. And remember, personal attacks are not allowed here.
FJR Flyer - not the courts, but the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975. Manufacturers can't deny warranty claims based solely on the fact that a non-OEM oil filter is used. To deny a claim, they have to be able to prove the non-OEM part caused the failure.

Yeah, sometimes I get a little carried away. You're correct in what you've cited regarding Mag-Moss but the operative in that excerpt is solely and a consumer has no remedy under the act in cases where there is reasonable conclusion. Consequently, those cases are handled at a state level rather than federal. The point is that many consumer dollars have been spent rebuilding or replacing engines on vehicles under factory warranty due to failures diagnosed as related to AM oil filters. I personally know of over 2700 cases.

Could you provide us with some documentation of some of these 2700 blown engines. I for one would very much like to see how a dealership wrench or most anybody can tell if a failure is due to a defective oil filter. I can see a diagnosis of lack of lubrication but how does one pin it on the filter when they have bypass valves to protect the engine.The only one I have personaly seen was an old Frantz toilet paper filter that came apart and plugged some cam bearing passages.

 

[FJRless]

Holy cow, just came upon this. FJRless, you have the tact of a pit bull. Many peeps are going to have a bit of trouble with what you assert, so if you can't take a little heat, get out of the kitchen. And remember, personal attacks are not allowed here.
FJR Flyer - not the courts, but the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975. Manufacturers can't deny warranty claims based solely on the fact that a non-OEM oil filter is used. To deny a claim, they have to be able to prove the non-OEM part caused the failure.

Yeah, sometimes I get a little carried away. You're correct in what you've cited regarding Mag-Moss but the operative in that excerpt is solely and a consumer has no remedy under the act in cases where there is reasonable conclusion. Consequently, those cases are handled at a state level rather than federal. The point is that many consumer dollars have been spent rebuilding or replacing engines on vehicles under factory warranty due to failures diagnosed as related to AM oil filters. I personally know of over 2700 cases.

Could you provide us with some documentation of some of these 2700 blown engines. I for one would very much like to see how a dealership wrench or most anybody can tell if a failure is due to a defective oil filter. I can see a diagnosis of lack of lubrication but how does one pin it on the filter when they have bypass valves to protect the engine.The only one I have personaly seen was an old Frantz toilet paper filter that came apart and plugged some cam bearing passages.

Yeah, go ahead and give me your home address and I'll mail those documents to you right away.

 

[tmc]

Could you provide us with some documentation of some of these 2700 blown engines. I for one would very much like to see how a dealership wrench or most anybody can tell if a failure is due to a defective oil filter. I can see a diagnosis of lack of lubrication but how does one pin it on the filter when they have bypass valves to protect the engine.The only one I have personaly seen was an old Frantz toilet paper filter that came apart and plugged some cam bearing passages.

LOL

In other words, put up or shut up? :bleh:

And I do agree Ray, his claim makes little sense. It would take catastrophic failure of the filter to cause such a meltdown.

Furthermore, OEMs usually outsource their filters to mainstream suppliers anyhow. So that "Yamaha" filter could very well be Wix, Purolator, etc. in a Yammer box.

 

[Ignacio]

Yeah, go ahead and give me your home address and I'll mail those documents to you right away.

[SIZE=18pt]Lighten up Francis![/SIZE]

....and if that doesn't make sense...here's the video. You're coming across scary with emoticons. Please take it down a notch and heed Skooter's advice of not making it personal.

Thanks.

The Management

 

[ice_station_zebra]

I use Royal Purple Syn 20W-50, and the Yamaha oil filter

 

[Knifemaker]

Warrenty? I don't have no steeeking warrenty. And I use Supertech oil filters. I am not at all worried in the least. But if spending the extra 6-7 bucks the Yamaha filter costs helps you sleep at night, go right ahead.

Hopefully you are using Yamaha oil and have not changed your grips for any aftermarket ones either....as that might void your warrenty too.. You are using Yamaha final gear lube right?

2700 cases out of what, 578 million claims?

KM

 

[Bustanut joker]

That's all I have to say.........

:jester:

 

[Fred W]

Is that some kind of an aftermarket filter there, BJ?

The only one I have personally seen was an old Frantz toilet paper filter that came apart and plugged some cam bearing passages.

Oh come-on, Ray... now your just talking out yer ***.