I understand your point. I have taken, and have very high regard for MSF instructors. I know for a fact you cannot do a "Stoppie" on a GL1800..... my 1st bike., I did not have ABS and at the ERC I brokle the front tire loose several times for the last 2-3 feet of my "Panic Stop" practice. I am pretty sure, if I did not have ABS I would not be able to do a stoppie on my FJR. Wheelbase is too long and I am too fat. But for the sake argument lets say I could.
We are not talking about controlled enviroments here. We are talking about "real" panic. I also understand with enough practice it can be ingrained to near perfection. Most riders do not practice to that level. When I was in the Military, Ingrained response in panic situation required THOUSANDS of hours of drill and precision practice to know for sure that is what will happen when your mind shuts down and you alter ego (the afraid to die little kid inside) is screaming Phuuuuuuuukkk meeeeeeee and your "Auto Pilot" kicks in
So, the theory is great and absolutely valid. Reality however can be very different.
BTW the MSF course training I received has saved my but more than my ABS, but still cannot replace it
YMMV
I would have to disagree, respectfully ofcourse. I recommend to my students and anyone that listens, to practice your emergency manuevers (braking and swerving) *every* time you ride your bike. Have a special road near where I live, virtually empty on Sunday morning, get up to 70, 80, 90, triple digits, then stop as quickly as I can, repeat, repeat, repeat. I enjoy it immensely, great confidence booster.
Practice swerving around anything you can, pot holes, anything. Ride up to it and swerve at the last second. experiment with the technique. I've found if you're riding in a sport bike position, with no weight on the wrists, the bike (any of em) is *much* more responsive to pushing down on the clipon.
My point about 'stoppies' isn't that we can do them on sport touring bikes. It's that there is so much stopping power on the front wheels of these things it's incredible. Much more so then most of us have used is my belief.
I would bet there are some here that will say they've locked up the front wheel before. But how many can say that, and also indicate they used the proper braking technique? Sure, if you're riding along and suddenly grab the front brake as hard as you possibly can, there's a good chance the tire will skid.
But if you use a "delayed firm squeeze", in which you oh so briefly apply pressure (but not full pressure), and in that fraction of a second the weight of the bike goes forward and the contact patch of the tire flattens out, as you are progressively squeezing harder, then it's my contention the front tire will not lock up, even on a sport touring bike. This is exactly what I practice, and as hard as I get on the front brake of my ST1300 (which sold today btw), I could not lock up the front brake.
Once I understood why I needed to do it this way, and I practiced it, it's second nature. It's simply "this is how you stop with a bike".
I will say this about braking hard with the (very heavy) St1300. Even as light as I am (150), the forks would bottom out and the front tire would kind of "wallow" a bit. I installed sonic springs (1.2kg) and it made a huge difference in it's ability to corner and stop. The front no longer bottomed during emergency braking (it actually had almost about 1.5 inches of travel left, which is too much, but that's another story).
But I still believe, in dry conditions, good suspension, using proper technique (which I hope is clear that it's not some road racing thing and it's something every motorcyclist should know and understand) you can stop more quickly then you can with abs.
That's my story and I'm sticking with it
Regards, be safe,