03HiYoSilver
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Now that is NICE....and most valuable. Can't wait 'til you guys get your machines!
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Jeremy L over at AltRider in Seattle has the ABS disabling switch unit up and running; price will be announced very soon. Soon as I can buy it, it gets shipped to D & H for installation on my Super Tenere! Yamaha Corporation had to have been sniffing glue or gasoline, not to make the ABS disabling swith standard issue for off road use!
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Kinda been thinking about this aswell.... I think im going to install one myself. I have a much better idea on the switch, looks a ton better too.. But I think this is going to be a good thing.....
Beemerdons, Did ya get my message? Where ya down in Mexico, or just blow'in me off ?:lol:
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NoOne,
What you said makes sense, but WE the general public don't have to make things up to the EuroIII Standard and are the big Target of Liability Suits from stupid people. Even being Right is very costly.
So they probably designed it as the Safest Liability Protection since the ABS standard will be a big target...Hence the "It is to ward off unqualified riders... new feature just rolled out."
P.S. Your bike is a looker...
beemerdons
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No One, I'm certainly not blowing you off Amigo and I'm not sure what message you're referring to; I was down in Mexico on mi Moto quite a bit over the last few months.Jeremy L over at AltRider in Seattle has the ABS disabling switch unit up and running; price will be announced very soon. Soon as I can buy it, it gets shipped to D & H for installation on my Super Tenere! Yamaha Corporation had to have been sniffing glue or gasoline, not to make the ABS disabling swith standard issue for off road use!
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Kinda been thinking about this aswell.... I think im going to install one myself. I have a much better idea on the switch, looks a ton better too.. But I think this is going to be a good thing.....
Beemerdons, Did ya get my message? Where ya down in Mexico, or just blow'in me off ?
My Verizon Wireless cell will not work farther South than 5 kilometers down in Mexico and occasionally my lousy AOL Account doesn't always get my e-mails to me.
Best way to contact me is either by Private Messages here, or Cell of 480-440-4666 or once again at [email protected] I am planning on notifying you when I will be returning from Alabama, maybe we can get together for lunch or dinner as I am crossing Texas. I plan to meet Walt-wfooshee and Steve-RadioHowie in Panama City, Florida while I am putting on 1,000 immediate miles on my Super Tenere; since I want Jerold of D & H to do the 1st service on the bike. After I drop by bike off back in Cullman, Alabama for its service, I plan on riding a loaner down to the Barber Motorcycle Museum in Birmingham, AL and meeting 03HiYoSilver from Georgia for either a lunch or dinner also. Also, I'd like to team up with you to plan a Big Bend National Park Expedition for the North American Super Tenere Owners in the Spring of 2012!
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" I am putting on 1,000 immediate miles on my Super Tenere; since I want Jerold of D & H to do the 1st service on the bike. After I drop by bike off back in Cullman, Alabama for its service, "
Just curious if you know what the first service consists of. Assuming oil/filter change.
Just curious if you know what the first service consists of. Assuming oil/filter change.
beemerdons
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No bvail, I don't know at this time; but you're probably correct, just an oil/filter change.
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Hello Mr, 03HiYoSliver !
Orginally Beemerdon post about the "glue", But I feel ya !
(quote name='beemerdons' timestamp='1295895116' post='822784']Jeremy L over at AltRider in Seattle has the ABS disabling switch unit up and running; price will be announced very soon. Soon as I can buy it, it gets shipped to D & H for installation on my Super Tenere! Yamaha Corporation had to have been sniffing glue or gasoline, not to make the ABS disabling swith standard issue for off road use!}
Ive also read,heard,saw, something that in the next few years most bikes above a certain CC will come with ABS. Not sure if that's 100% true but I thought I read this. The new Kawasaki ZX-10R is heading here with race ABS. I think the weight and sophistication of most of these "high-end" braking systems are evolving into something very good for the general public. I think the switch might be a necessity for some that will be riding hard in the dirt, but for most its good that its not easily turned off IMOP. Ive said it before, my FJR with ABS has saved my ASS twice in my life....... I feel it saved my life.. I respect it, and it works ! The "systems" are only going to get smaller, lighter, and much more sophisticated. :yahoo:
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Mr. Don,Don,Beemerdon :lol:
This brings up a good point about BREAKING IN 'YOUR' NEW SUPER TENERE......... im not yelling...
When I buy a new bike I ride it back to the shop and change the oil the first day... After 50 miles... There is tons of crap in the oil. I normally run about 1000 miles before I go full synthetic... (change that drive fluid too.. NASTY) After that its full synthetic forever..
I know im prolly a nut for waisting good oil, but Ive been around bikes and the bizz too long....
What is your plan for breaking in your new Beast ? Ride it like you stole it for 1000 miles, change oil, keep riding like you stole it ?? :lol:
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No One, I'm certainly not blowing you off Amigo and I'm not sure what message you're referring to; I was down in Mexico on mi Moto quite a bit over the last few months.Jeremy L over at AltRider in Seattle has the ABS disabling switch unit up and running; price will be announced very soon. Soon as I can buy it, it gets shipped to D & H for installation on my Super Tenere! Yamaha Corporation had to have been sniffing glue or gasoline, not to make the ABS disabling swith standard issue for off road use!
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Kinda been thinking about this aswell.... I think im going to install one myself. I have a much better idea on the switch, looks a ton better too.. But I think this is going to be a good thing.....
Beemerdons, Did ya get my message? Where ya down in Mexico, or just blow'in me off ?
My Verizon Wireless cell will not work farther South than 5 kilometers down in Mexico and occasionally my lousy AOL Account doesn't always get my e-mails to me.
Best way to contact me is either by Private Messages here, or Cell of 480-440-4666 or once again at [email protected] I am planning on notifying you when I will be returning from Alabama, maybe we can get together for lunch or dinner as I am crossing Texas. I plan to meet Walt-wfooshee and Steve-RadioHowie in Panama City, Florida while I am putting on 1,000 immediate miles on my Super Tenere; since I want Jerold of D & H to do the 1st service on the bike. After I drop by bike off back in Cullman, Alabama for its service, I plan on riding a loaner down to the Barber Motorcycle Museum in Birmingham, AL and meeting 03HiYoSilver from Georgia for either a lunch or dinner also. Also, I'd like to team up with you to plan a Big Bend National Park Expedition for the North American Super Tenere Owners in the Spring of 2012!
Sounds great ! ! I'm down for the BIG BEND ride.. Want to head out by you aswell and head North and do a loop of CO... Want to work on a new Super Tenere owners group web site aswell for riders to find other ST riders, get info, learn, Etc.....
ANYONE reading this that might want to help with the web site or just participate PM me.....
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beemerdons
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No One, One of the greatest articles on motorcycle break in procedures was written 14 years ago by the Late and Great Motorcycle Scribe Gordon Jennings, Famous Editor of Cycle Magazine. Mr. Jennings approach to breaking in a motorcycle is the same as mine and I have been breaking in new bikes since 1963, 48 years now.
Mr. Don,Don,Beemerdon :lol:
This brings up a good point about BREAKING IN 'YOUR' NEW SUPER TENERE......... im not yelling...
When I buy a new bike I ride it back to the shop and change the oil the first day... After 50 miles... There is tons of crap in the oil. I normally run about 1000 miles before I go full synthetic... (change that drive fluid too.. NASTY) After that its full synthetic forever..
I know im prolly a nut for waisting good oil, but Ive been around bikes and the bizz too long....
What is your plan for breaking in your new Beast ? Ride it like you stole it for 1000 miles, change oil, keep riding like you stole it ?? :lol:
Since 1993 BMW has called out for the engine oil to be changed out at the first 600 miles and then every 6,000 miles after that; that's what I do, follow factory specs.
https://classic.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Cullman&1s=AL&1y=US&1l=34.174702&1g=-86.843597&1v=CITY&2c=Panama+City&2s=FL&2y=US&2l=30.1586&2g=-85.660301&2v=CITY Through necessity, my first oil change on my Super Tenere will be at around 650+ miles. The 1st day of ownership I'll be riding 327 highway miles to Panama City, FL to visit RadioHowie and wfooshee for dinner. Next day is riding the slab back North for Jerold to do my 1st service. I intend, like always with a new motorcycle, to vary the speed constantly and keep the RPM's down; and let it rest 10 minutes for every hour of operation. Has worked for 48 years!
"The Break-In Game, article by Gordon Jennings, May 1997
Two questions have plagued my life as a motojournalist: The first is, "I'm thinking of getting a motorcycle. What shall I buy?" Then comes the second: "How should I break in my new motorcycle?" No satisfactory answer exists for the first question, as preference in such matter is so individual. I don't know anyone well enough to choose a motorcycle for them.
Giving break-in advice is much less dangerous and it's more in my line of work. I believe I can add to the scanty information provided by most owner's manuals. These manuals typically admonish owners to keep engine speed below a certain level and/or refrain from using full throttle. They don't say why the limits are necessary, or what damage might result from non-compliance.
Fortunately for all of us, motorcycle manufacturers have done a lot to solve the special problems of parts beginning life in service.
Their built-in solutions to those problems are so good your new bike's moving parts will settle into peaceful coexistence without much help from you, as speed crazed motojournalists know from long, shameful experience.
New motorcycles delivered into the unkind hands of magazine test riders get no help at all. Careful break-in for most magazine test bikes means no wide-open, red-line running until there are three digits [if that] showing on the odometer. That is not a good procedure to follow with a new motorcycle you own and will have to repair if it breaks. But, the fact that 30-plus years of new models have survived magazine guys' abuse speaks volumes for motorcycles' quality.
For the purposes of discussion, I'm going to assume you'd prefer to ease your new motorcycle through its break-in period undamaged. Your best chance of attaining this goal lies in understanding what's happening during those crucial first 500 to 1000 miles.
The tenderest of all new or newly rebuilt engine's tender points is at the scrubbing contacts between rings and cylinder bores.
Actually, it's the top compression ring that gets the big load because it uses pressure on the upper cylinder for its sealing action. Gas pressure above the piston pushes the compression ring down against the bottom of its groove and out against the cylinder wall. With gas pressure in the upper cylinder at 500 pounds per square inch or even more at part throttle, the load on the oil film separating ring and cylinder wall is also 500psi. If the ring gets past the oil and into direct contact with the cylinder, friction heating will cause melting at the contact point.
What happens next with plain iron rings is that a tiny bead of melted metal from the cylinder becomes welded to the ring's contact face. The bead, traveling with the ring, then picks up more metal from the cylinder until it grows too large and breaks away from the ring.
Once this separation occurs, the built-up metal particle scores the piston skirt before migrating down to the crankcase, where it does more damage until captured by the oil strainer.
Advances in piston ring technology remove most of the dangers from the break-in period. Today's new engines have their top rings faced with chromium or molybdenum, metals that do not readily friction-weld to an iron cylinder wall. The worst you get from a chrome- or moly-coated ring scrubbing roughness from the cast-iron cylinder bore are some small scratches.
Case iron, of the kind used in cylinders, has a porous microstructure that readily wets with oil and then retains it fairly well. It has the further advantage of containing numerous small graphite particles, which are themselves a lubricant. Despite these favorable factors it is still necessary to finish the cylinder bore with a relatively coarse-stone hone moved up and down as it spins to make cross-hatched scratches, which hold oil on the cylinder walls and help control oil consumption.
When you're building a racing engine you can finish-hone the bores to be so smooth they don't need a breaking-in. You can't do that in street-engines, as the smooth bores would soon become polished, and a little roughness is required for oil control. The small volume of gases cross-hatching leaks past the compression ring, moves oil down to the oil ring, then blows it through the oil return holes to the crankcase. In my racing days, I attempted to raise an engine's compression ratio by heli-arc welding more aluminum to the pistons' crowns. I tested the concept on an old piston, one I carefully measured before adding metal and was gratified to find negligible distortion after the welding. Alas, when I performed the same operation on a new piston it distorted so much down at the skirt as to be utterly unusable.
On a hunch, I placed an old piston and a new one on a tray and slid them into a 500-degree F oven, leaving them in for 30 minutes. The old piston came out of the oven just as it had gone in, but the new piston was badly warped. I should have anticipated this, as complex castings and forgings like pistons end up with a lot of locked-in stresses by the time the manufacturing process is completed.
A new piston's internal stresses are relaxed by heating, and if this occurs with the piston in an oven, but otherwise unrestrained, the metal squirms like mad and ends up distorted. The same piston, closely confined in a cylinder, will take on a shape much better suited to its surroundings. It is not surprising that this should be the case, as even after break-in the pistons in a running engine are a light-interference fit in their bores. Only the oil film between them and cylinders' walls prevents seizing.
Given time, your new motorcycle's pistons will adjust to life of whizzing up and down in cylinders. Heating will relax the locked-in stresses, and confinement will keep them from warping into aluminum pretzels. Repeated cycles of heating and cooling, as occur when you ride your new motorcycle and then park it for the night, work the pistons into shape, but they have to be treated with consideration while still new and nervous. If you pay heed to the advice given in your owner's manual, those pistons will settle in without having their skirts scuffed or distorted. The rings will appreciate it, too, and if you treat your new motorcycle with enough consideration to keep the pistons and rings healthy, you won't do any damage to other vulnerable bits, like bearings, gears, and cam followers.
You'll avoid post-break-in engine damage by avoiding a couple of things too many riders have made habit. Do not ever, ever zing a cold engine up to high revs, as this will pound in the pistons' skirts before you can moan "engine rebuild." The other bad habit is the lengthy warm-up, which just prolongs the period in which acids condense on cold cylinder walls and eat at everything. Fire it up, ride away just be gentle with it until it's warm and ready to roar.
One last thing: Give yourself a little time to become accustomed to that new motorcycle. There's nothing more depressing than throwing your brand-new bike down the road."
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beemerdons
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https://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?action=forum No One, there already is a great Super Tenere Owners group web site. This one is fantastic with tons of technical information!No One, I'm certainly not blowing you off Amigo and I'm not sure what message you're referring to; I was down in Mexico on mi Moto quite a bit over the last few months.Jeremy L over at AltRider in Seattle has the ABS disabling switch unit up and running; price will be announced very soon. Soon as I can buy it, it gets shipped to D & H for installation on my Super Tenere! Yamaha Corporation had to have been sniffing glue or gasoline, not to make the ABS disabling swith standard issue for off road use!
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Kinda been thinking about this aswell.... I think im going to install one myself. I have a much better idea on the switch, looks a ton better too.. But I think this is going to be a good thing.....
Beemerdons, Did ya get my message? Where ya down in Mexico, or just blow'in me off ?
My Verizon Wireless cell will not work farther South than 5 kilometers down in Mexico and occasionally my lousy AOL Account doesn't always get my e-mails to me.
Best way to contact me is either by Private Messages here, or Cell of 480-440-4666 or once again at [email protected] I am planning on notifying you when I will be returning from Alabama, maybe we can get together for lunch or dinner as I am crossing Texas. I plan to meet Walt-wfooshee and Steve-RadioHowie in Panama City, Florida while I am putting on 1,000 immediate miles on my Super Tenere; since I want Jerold of D & H to do the 1st service on the bike. After I drop by bike off back in Cullman, Alabama for its service, I plan on riding a loaner down to the Barber Motorcycle Museum in Birmingham, AL and meeting 03HiYoSilver from Georgia for either a lunch or dinner also. Also, I'd like to team up with you to plan a Big Bend National Park Expedition for the North American Super Tenere Owners in the Spring of 2012!
Sounds great ! ! I'm down for the BIG BEND ride.. Want to head out by you aswell and head North and do a loop of CO... Want to work on a new Super Tenere owners group web site aswell for riders to find other ST riders, get info, learn, Etc.....
ANYONE reading this that might want to help with the web site or just participate PM me.....
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I just wanted to bring up that we have just about 29,000 views on this thread and 750 post...... WOW... Thats GREAT !! :yahoo:
I think I might just blow up this thread when I get my bike....... Gotta show off all the parts im building..
Iv also started a little early on my SUPER FARKELS... :blink: I already have my Akrapovic exhaust for the bike and just bought the ZEGA bags for the new beast ! ! :dribble: Im on my way... :lol:
Ive also learned that the Pezzo levers that fit the FJR will fit the Super Tenere.... nice part
I think I might just blow up this thread when I get my bike....... Gotta show off all the parts im building..
Iv also started a little early on my SUPER FARKELS... :blink: I already have my Akrapovic exhaust for the bike and just bought the ZEGA bags for the new beast ! ! :dribble: Im on my way... :lol:
Ive also learned that the Pezzo levers that fit the FJR will fit the Super Tenere.... nice part
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I'm a little ahead of you w/Akrapovic exhaust
Sunny Day in Atlanta....
Can't wait to see you get your Tenere ...
Sunny Day in Atlanta....
Can't wait to see you get your Tenere ...
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I'm a little ahead of you w/Akrapovic exhaust
Sunny Day in Atlanta....
SWEET !!!! What else is on your list? All these new bikes.... ALL these new parts.. :yahoo:
LOVE THAT SNOW PICTURE...
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With My Akrapovic Pipes, they were tooo booming so I was able to get some FZ1 DB Killers and grind them down to fit... the Public appreciates it... not flagging myself with the police and more tolerable to ride in the cockpit. The Tires are the 149mph Rated Pirelli Scorps 80/20 On Road/Off Road Rated Tires good for about 5-7k miles on the rear and 7-10k miles on the front.
Have done other things...but these things were specific to this bike.
Not sure about the Super Tenere, but this bike will do 0-60 in about 3.2 Sec (but not in the Snow!)...quite frankly surprised me...thought it was going to be doggish compared to the FJR...Not.
Have done other things...but these things were specific to this bike.
Not sure about the Super Tenere, but this bike will do 0-60 in about 3.2 Sec (but not in the Snow!)...quite frankly surprised me...thought it was going to be doggish compared to the FJR...Not.
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Is that a KTM 990 ADV :dribble: That's a cool scooter ! Is this the bike you have the Akrapovic's on ? I got it for the Super Tenere showing up in May.. When I rode the ST I was expecting a strong motor, but it had allot more power than I anticipated... it was awesome ! Switch it to "S" mode and pop wheelies all day..... LOL Cant wait ! !
Again, great picture...... I rode in about 18* a few weeks ago on the highway.. that was nice.. :lol:
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Actually, this is the last '06 950 Carbed version which is actually faster than the 990. Have yet to stretch out the 6-9" Shock Travel.
beemerdons
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A very humorous and colorful Super Tenere dirt/road video from Moto Journal, filmed in Greece. Just posted this video over at https://www.azbeemers.org/forum to piss off all my BMW GS Friends!
My compliments and gratitude to spklbuk of FJR Riders Forum for locating this little gem of a movie! The French people have always cracked Papa Chuy up, even whackier than goofy Canadians!
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I have not been following this thread because I can't afford another bike right now anyway, so this information may be a mute point. But I see Honda East Toledo is offering a new 2012 Yamaha Super Ténéré in either of the two colors for $12,399.00.
If I could I would like to have one of these also.
If I could I would like to have one of these also.
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