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beemerdons
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Finally once again, the Voice of Reason: Smitty! Brother Smitty, I am hearing you loud and clear! By Noon today I am going to make my decision: Either wait another six months for the Super Tenere or call Jerold of D & H to get my deposit money back.I don't get it...
You guys can go down to your local BMW dealer and be riding the best adventure bike out there. And of course I am talking about the BMW R1200GS Adventure. NO waiting... No, give me your fricking money ass wipe, I will call you when it gets here!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Simply put, nothing comes close....
Smitty
I've been riding BMW GS's continuously since October of 1995 and they have taken me from Alaska to Maine and to Acapulco, I know full well that they are a proven commodity. I also know a BMW R1200GS is 75 lbs. lighter than a ST, has more torque, more horsepower and comes from the factory with a switch to disable the ABS for true off road work. A year from now Steve K./Jorstin and Papa Chuy are taking our 14-year old Sons to Alaska for a month ride. We Stanley Boys may be better off with a R1200GS!
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Smitty, you are a True Genius. More profound words have never been spoken, a Hondapotamus is the epitome of a certified panty shield!
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Finally once again, the Voice of Reason: Smitty! Brother Smitty, I am hearing you loud and clear! By Noon today I am going to make my decision: Either wait another six months for the Super Tenere or call Jerold of D & H to get my deposit money back.I don't get it...
You guys can go down to your local BMW dealer and be riding the best adventure bike out there. And of course I am talking about the BMW R1200GS Adventure. NO waiting... No, give me your fricking money ass wipe, I will call you when it gets here!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:
Simply put, nothing comes close....
Smitty
I've been riding BMW GS's continuously since October of 1995 and they have taken me from Alaska to Maine and to Acapulco, I know full well that they are a proven commodity. I also know a BMW R1200GS is 75 lbs. lighter than a ST, has more torque, more horsepower and comes from the factory with a switch to disable the ABS for true off road work. A year from now Steve K./Jorstin and Papa Chuy are taking our 14-year old Sons to Alaska for a month ride. We Stanley Boys may be better off with a R1200GS!
Yes, Don it is lighter, but so will your wallet be lighter too me thinks
). And I like you am still in the deciding mode about the Super Tenere. I can use the bucks elsewhere, and they will still be making them or other bikes should I decide on something else for me stable next year sometime. I don't know if I want to be reading about the XTZ on forums for another 6 months. Oh, BTW, no doubt you will be fine with another GS but why a new one and not use one of the ones you already have for that trip?doctorj
canyonman
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Im gonna let it ride for all the same reasons that I made my decision on last September. Just gives me more time to save for it.
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beemerdons
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doctorJ and Other Super Tenere waiters: Papa Chuy finally just got tired of waiting! Below is what I posted over 14 months ago on 2/24/10. I called Jerold of D & H Cycle and they are very graciously returning my Super Tenere deposit monies back to me.
While I do believe that the Super Tenere is going to be a fantastic machine, waiting another seven months for its arrival just took the wind out of my sails. I have had "new bike fever" and waiting 210 days more just isn't in the cards for me. No can do, ese!
https://www.cycletrader.com/find/listing/2011-BMW-R-1200-GS--97581370 It's another 3 grand, but I've been riding BMW boxer opposed twins since March of 1969 and have 500+K miles on them. Been riding GS's since 10/1995.
Meine Freunde: Deutschland uber Alles, Schatzie!
While I do believe that the Super Tenere is going to be a fantastic machine, waiting another seven months for its arrival just took the wind out of my sails. I have had "new bike fever" and waiting 210 days more just isn't in the cards for me. No can do, ese!
https://www.cycletrader.com/find/listing/2011-BMW-R-1200-GS--97581370 It's another 3 grand, but I've been riding BMW boxer opposed twins since March of 1969 and have 500+K miles on them. Been riding GS's since 10/1995.
Meine Freunde: Deutschland uber Alles, Schatzie!
https://www.motorcycle.com/specs/bmw/on-off-road/2011/r/1200-gs/detail.html Still wish a 2011 BMW R1200GS was under 500 lbs., but 504 wet weight is still pretty damn close! Way better than 575!!!
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Agreed.
And after riding both the Super-T and Beemer, I found the ergos nearly the same, but that was about it. Even if the Beemer weren't out of my price range, it just doesn't speak to me. The GS reminds me of a SAAB car in updating an old engine and systems with higher tech "stuff", versus not having to wonder about "tricks" or "issues" when in a higher end Jap car. The Jap car just works. Similarly, having slightly less power and such makes no difference because the delivery is nicer.
btw - I heard BMW is going to have a special seat on next year's model to work specifically with the whale foreskin riding suit that GS owners need to buy.
Another of my big reasons to get the Yamaha is that my son & I are also planning an Alaska ride in summer 2012. (Probably earlier than you guys and departing the east coast.) Yamaha could keep on slipping dates and we'd still be fine. We've got other bikes to ride and it'll be easier to sell the FJR in Spring, than in November.
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Have you guys seen this? Hee must have just bought it....... :lol:
The you-tube vid was taken down but here is a link to the same Video... pretty cool !!
https://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?action=media;sa=item;in=483
The you-tube vid was taken down but here is a link to the same Video... pretty cool !!
https://www.yamahasupertenere.com/index.php?action=media;sa=item;in=483
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Ive been reading it from the start... good review ! ! Looking forward to the scooter !! :yahoo:
doctorJ
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I'm still undecided Don. I vacillate some each day one way then the other. I am sure I'll decide by the end of May
. I have a couple of friends on the MTF, one with an RT and another with a GS. Both had rear drives bite the dust. Both said the same thing "the best bike I have owned and worst bike I've owned". One still has the GS, the other sold the RT instead of waiting for another issue. He has bought a final drive off ebay just as a precaution and did have to use it. I know these are rare but still too much for me to pay more for that kind of uncertainty. With your history, you will not be one to have these problems I would think. Best of luck with your GS.doctorj
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For the die hard ST guys you might have already found and read this article, if not you prolly should.. Some good info on delivery..........
https://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-news/2011/yamaha-super-tenere-delivery.htm
If your reading on your mobil device and cant down load the link, here is a copy & past of the article......
***May 3, 2011 - We express our heartfelt sorrow and support for the Japanese people for their great losses and efforts to rebuild the nation.
Don't forget that assistance for many hundreds of thousands of people who were affected by this tragedy is still required. You can help by contributing to the Japanese Red Cross Society.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Background
The unbelievable combination of disasters that took place in Japan in March have caused massive problems for Japanese manufacturers and exports.
The problems are beginning to be felt in the United States and around the world and the motorcycle industry is not exempt.
Yamaha headquarters are located nearly as far south of Tokyo as the earthquake zone is to the north, yet the total destruction of power grids, roads, and life in general have resulted in immense disruptions to the country's supply chain.
Even the Motegi racing complex was shut for about a month, postponing the Japanese Grand Prix until October and delaying Honda's test for their new 2012 MotoGP 1000 cc bike.
In addition, nuclear power provides a significant percentage (29%) of power in Japan and the loss of multiple power plants means that companies throughout the country are conserving power by working a reduced number of days per week.
Large-scale reductions at manufacturers of complete vehicles are now the norm, with companies such as Toyota and Honda and their suppliers having been affected. For example, the production of tires from Bridgestone has created delays for all of their customers in the motorcycle and automobile industries.
Super Ténéré Production and Delivery
As a result of the problems in Japan, Yamaha announced recently that deliveries of the Super Ténéré, originally planned to start in Spring of 2011, will also be delayed.
Yamaha introduced the the XTZ1200 Super Ténéré to the rest of the world as a 2010 model, with plans to bring it to the U.S. this year. The Super-T has received positive reviews in Europe, Australia, and South Africa and it would share the 1200 cc shaft drive adventure market with few other models, currently dominated by the BMW R1200GS.
At the end of last summer, Yamaha started to take Pre-Delivery Deposits (PDP) for the US purchase of the Super Ténéré with planned deliveries commencing in May 2011.
The company used a similar PDP plan to successfully introduce the FJR1300 back in 2003.
The PDP sales strategy may initially limit sales, because there are few demo bikes or floor models for customers to buy on impulse and some customers may not want to buy a motorcycle sight-unseen.
But the upside for the company is that every bike built will be sold, which can help to forecast profits and to gauge market demand prior to production. In fact, a Yamaha representative recently told me that the company has found this to be an effective tool to confirm demand.
The recent disasters in Japan have changed Yamaha’s Super Ténéré manufacturing and delivery schedules. After revising their plans and developing alternatives, the company recently sent a letter to their U.S. dealers and customers indicating that Super Ténéré PDP deliveries would be completed by the end of November 2011.
In addition to the news that the Super Ténéré is still planned for U.S. delivery, the Yamaha representative also said that there should be no changes to the accessories that were also planned for the bike.
Dealers were also advised that customers should be offered a return of their PDP deposits if desired.
It's also possible that the fluctuation in world currency and rising fuel prices may cause the final selling price of the Super Ténéré to change, although PDP customers will not be affected.
November deliveries may also affect new Super Ténéré owners in the northern U.S. who had originally planned on taking delivery of the bike in the summer of 2011.
At this point, there just isn't a lot of information regarding the delivery schedule or whether customers in colder States can postpone deliveries, payments, and warranty activation until the Spring of 2012 when the new riding season begins (which seems unlikely).
Postulating a Delivery Schedule for 2011
Corporations generally take a conservative approach to this type of news by only relaying the minimum amount of factual information. But it may be possible to use historical data to postulate a scenario.
Scooters and motorcycles of less than 250 cc make up slightly under half of the entire Japanese 2007 data for 1.7 million total units produced, according to the Japanese Automobile Manufacturers Association. In 2008, there were about 520,502 motorcycles and 69,227 scooters sold in the U.S. and 455,000 (77%) of them came from Japan.
Yamaha's had about 17% of the U.S. market, which means roughly 88,435 motorcycles and 11,768 scooters were sold. Figured at roughly 200 manufacturing days per year, it's possible that Yamaha made about 442 motorcycles/day (all lines/models) and 58 scooters/day for the U.S. market.
Yamaha would not confirm the number of PDP orders for the U.S. and the Super Ténéré is not produced in the same quantities one of the smaller bikes.
Guessing that the entire first year production run for this model could be theoretically completed in a week or two on one production line, the problem now is how to plan for, restart and supply the Super Ténéré production line and then work with their supply chain to make it happen. Some of the suppliers in northern Japan may be a total write-off and will need completely new tooling for production to recommence.
Also, there are other possible issues to contend with. For example, the immediate basic transportation needs of the Japanese home market must be taken into account. And rising fuel prices around the world may mean that rising sales of scooters could influence production plans for motorcycles.
Taking all this into consideration, it is very nice to know that Yamaha has confirmed that they will indeed continue to offer the Super Ténéré.
To be able to accomplish this and complete the deliveries by the end of November will be a credit to the company, especially with the amount of electronics in the bike, some probably coming from the heavily-damaged north. Gleaning what little information is available, a delay of up to five to six months from May to November sounds appropriate.
The current information is that Yamaha will continue in a limited mode for the next several weeks and announce at the end of May how operations will expand in June and beyond. Reviewing announcements from other manufacturers, this appears to be typical.
With respect to the Super Ténéré, it is theoretically possible for Yamaha to build some of the U.S. versions of the bike alongside those meant for the rest of the world when the line re-opens.
If this were to happen, it may be possible for the bike to trickle into U.S. distribution before November. Further, Yamaha as a company usually strives to beat their goals, so late November could be a worst-case conservative announcement.
However, it is more efficient to build in batches and there are differences between bikes destined for the US and non-US markets. For example, when looking at a Super Ténéré in Ireland, the exhaust system did not have the American EPA certification stamp or a sticker showing compliance to US Federal safety requirements.
So it may be more efficient and possible for Yamaha to both build and ship the entire U.S. PDP order of Super Ténérés in one batch. It could then take a few weeks to clear and deliver those crates across the U.S.
The business questions are harder interpret than questions about production. At this point, there are no expected changes regarding accessories and holding inventory until snow melts has very little benefit to a company that earns a living through sales. We will report back if anything more is learned.
https://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycle-news/2011/yamaha-super-tenere-delivery.htm
If your reading on your mobil device and cant down load the link, here is a copy & past of the article......
***May 3, 2011 - We express our heartfelt sorrow and support for the Japanese people for their great losses and efforts to rebuild the nation.
Don't forget that assistance for many hundreds of thousands of people who were affected by this tragedy is still required. You can help by contributing to the Japanese Red Cross Society.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Background
The unbelievable combination of disasters that took place in Japan in March have caused massive problems for Japanese manufacturers and exports.
The problems are beginning to be felt in the United States and around the world and the motorcycle industry is not exempt.
Yamaha headquarters are located nearly as far south of Tokyo as the earthquake zone is to the north, yet the total destruction of power grids, roads, and life in general have resulted in immense disruptions to the country's supply chain.
Even the Motegi racing complex was shut for about a month, postponing the Japanese Grand Prix until October and delaying Honda's test for their new 2012 MotoGP 1000 cc bike.
In addition, nuclear power provides a significant percentage (29%) of power in Japan and the loss of multiple power plants means that companies throughout the country are conserving power by working a reduced number of days per week.
Large-scale reductions at manufacturers of complete vehicles are now the norm, with companies such as Toyota and Honda and their suppliers having been affected. For example, the production of tires from Bridgestone has created delays for all of their customers in the motorcycle and automobile industries.
Super Ténéré Production and Delivery
As a result of the problems in Japan, Yamaha announced recently that deliveries of the Super Ténéré, originally planned to start in Spring of 2011, will also be delayed.
Yamaha introduced the the XTZ1200 Super Ténéré to the rest of the world as a 2010 model, with plans to bring it to the U.S. this year. The Super-T has received positive reviews in Europe, Australia, and South Africa and it would share the 1200 cc shaft drive adventure market with few other models, currently dominated by the BMW R1200GS.
At the end of last summer, Yamaha started to take Pre-Delivery Deposits (PDP) for the US purchase of the Super Ténéré with planned deliveries commencing in May 2011.
The company used a similar PDP plan to successfully introduce the FJR1300 back in 2003.
The PDP sales strategy may initially limit sales, because there are few demo bikes or floor models for customers to buy on impulse and some customers may not want to buy a motorcycle sight-unseen.
But the upside for the company is that every bike built will be sold, which can help to forecast profits and to gauge market demand prior to production. In fact, a Yamaha representative recently told me that the company has found this to be an effective tool to confirm demand.
The recent disasters in Japan have changed Yamaha’s Super Ténéré manufacturing and delivery schedules. After revising their plans and developing alternatives, the company recently sent a letter to their U.S. dealers and customers indicating that Super Ténéré PDP deliveries would be completed by the end of November 2011.
In addition to the news that the Super Ténéré is still planned for U.S. delivery, the Yamaha representative also said that there should be no changes to the accessories that were also planned for the bike.
Dealers were also advised that customers should be offered a return of their PDP deposits if desired.
It's also possible that the fluctuation in world currency and rising fuel prices may cause the final selling price of the Super Ténéré to change, although PDP customers will not be affected.
November deliveries may also affect new Super Ténéré owners in the northern U.S. who had originally planned on taking delivery of the bike in the summer of 2011.
At this point, there just isn't a lot of information regarding the delivery schedule or whether customers in colder States can postpone deliveries, payments, and warranty activation until the Spring of 2012 when the new riding season begins (which seems unlikely).
Postulating a Delivery Schedule for 2011
Corporations generally take a conservative approach to this type of news by only relaying the minimum amount of factual information. But it may be possible to use historical data to postulate a scenario.
Scooters and motorcycles of less than 250 cc make up slightly under half of the entire Japanese 2007 data for 1.7 million total units produced, according to the Japanese Automobile Manufacturers Association. In 2008, there were about 520,502 motorcycles and 69,227 scooters sold in the U.S. and 455,000 (77%) of them came from Japan.
Yamaha's had about 17% of the U.S. market, which means roughly 88,435 motorcycles and 11,768 scooters were sold. Figured at roughly 200 manufacturing days per year, it's possible that Yamaha made about 442 motorcycles/day (all lines/models) and 58 scooters/day for the U.S. market.
Yamaha would not confirm the number of PDP orders for the U.S. and the Super Ténéré is not produced in the same quantities one of the smaller bikes.
Guessing that the entire first year production run for this model could be theoretically completed in a week or two on one production line, the problem now is how to plan for, restart and supply the Super Ténéré production line and then work with their supply chain to make it happen. Some of the suppliers in northern Japan may be a total write-off and will need completely new tooling for production to recommence.
Also, there are other possible issues to contend with. For example, the immediate basic transportation needs of the Japanese home market must be taken into account. And rising fuel prices around the world may mean that rising sales of scooters could influence production plans for motorcycles.
Taking all this into consideration, it is very nice to know that Yamaha has confirmed that they will indeed continue to offer the Super Ténéré.
To be able to accomplish this and complete the deliveries by the end of November will be a credit to the company, especially with the amount of electronics in the bike, some probably coming from the heavily-damaged north. Gleaning what little information is available, a delay of up to five to six months from May to November sounds appropriate.
The current information is that Yamaha will continue in a limited mode for the next several weeks and announce at the end of May how operations will expand in June and beyond. Reviewing announcements from other manufacturers, this appears to be typical.
With respect to the Super Ténéré, it is theoretically possible for Yamaha to build some of the U.S. versions of the bike alongside those meant for the rest of the world when the line re-opens.
If this were to happen, it may be possible for the bike to trickle into U.S. distribution before November. Further, Yamaha as a company usually strives to beat their goals, so late November could be a worst-case conservative announcement.
However, it is more efficient to build in batches and there are differences between bikes destined for the US and non-US markets. For example, when looking at a Super Ténéré in Ireland, the exhaust system did not have the American EPA certification stamp or a sticker showing compliance to US Federal safety requirements.
So it may be more efficient and possible for Yamaha to both build and ship the entire U.S. PDP order of Super Ténérés in one batch. It could then take a few weeks to clear and deliver those crates across the U.S.
The business questions are harder interpret than questions about production. At this point, there are no expected changes regarding accessories and holding inventory until snow melts has very little benefit to a company that earns a living through sales. We will report back if anything more is learned.
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canyonman
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Thanks for the update No One. Good info.
Checkswrecks
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No One -
I see you put the following in red:
"it may be possible for the bike to trickle into U.S. distribution before November. Further, Yamaha as a company usually strives to beat their goals, so late November could be a worst-case conservative announcement."
I hope that you didn't highlight that text in hope that it means Yamaha will deliver the bikes by trickling them in. That text was only there to acknowledge they technically possibly maybe perhaps could do it that way, while leading into the next sentences:
"However, it is more efficient to build in batches and there are differences between bikes destined for the US and non-US markets. ...So it may be more efficient and possible for Yamaha to both build and ship the entire U.S. PDP order of Super Ténérés in one batch. It could then take a few weeks to clear and deliver those crates across the U.S."
Having done the math on the guesstimated number of PDPs: Once the line is re-established for Teneres in general, Yamaha could build the entire US-variant batch in DAYS and then ship them in a single cargo hold of one ship. They wouldn't disclose anything when directly asked, but the company is organized on efficiency and lowest cost and this is clearly the best for both. And it still completes deliveries before the end of November.
As for me, I'm very happy and relieved the bike is still coming.
Bob
I see you put the following in red:
"it may be possible for the bike to trickle into U.S. distribution before November. Further, Yamaha as a company usually strives to beat their goals, so late November could be a worst-case conservative announcement."
I hope that you didn't highlight that text in hope that it means Yamaha will deliver the bikes by trickling them in. That text was only there to acknowledge they technically possibly maybe perhaps could do it that way, while leading into the next sentences:
"However, it is more efficient to build in batches and there are differences between bikes destined for the US and non-US markets. ...So it may be more efficient and possible for Yamaha to both build and ship the entire U.S. PDP order of Super Ténérés in one batch. It could then take a few weeks to clear and deliver those crates across the U.S."
Having done the math on the guesstimated number of PDPs: Once the line is re-established for Teneres in general, Yamaha could build the entire US-variant batch in DAYS and then ship them in a single cargo hold of one ship. They wouldn't disclose anything when directly asked, but the company is organized on efficiency and lowest cost and this is clearly the best for both. And it still completes deliveries before the end of November.
As for me, I'm very happy and relieved the bike is still coming.
Bob
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I think this was posted along time ago but not sure.. Its really an Alpine Star add but has some good Super Tenere 1200 action....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xGMHKSCJc8&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xGMHKSCJc8&feature=related
beemerdons
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I just wanted to state what a fantastic dealership D and H Cycles of Cullman, Alabama is; and how wonderful D and H Owners Jerold and Renaa are also!
When Super Tenere deliveries were moved into November, I elected to get my deposit money back to spend on another BMW and they were very cooperative.
I just got off the phone with them and Yamaha has released my deposit monies back to them; and, I should see my Refund Check by the end of this month.
When Super Tenere deliveries were moved into November, I elected to get my deposit money back to spend on another BMW and they were very cooperative.
I just got off the phone with them and Yamaha has released my deposit monies back to them; and, I should see my Refund Check by the end of this month.
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Cool..... are we going to see you on one of those new 1600 six cylinders after your test ride? Cool looking scooter !
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