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Do you really believe that Honda, Yamaha make money on all their bikes? I bet if you say a breakdown of the profitablity of their platform it would say that some bikes after discounting ECT ECT actual cost them money. But other platform have high margins IE the cruiser lines, and make up for...

Sam = size of avaiable market

Do i have hard numbers in front of me? No. though i do have a fairly good idea about markets and the way they operate. Though some numbers that i have seen say that only 2% of the bikes in america are Sport-touring bikes. Also in my post i said that with out continued growth in the ST market...

Lets look at this from another perspective that i feel is a good one. What is the total "SAM" of rider that are in the market for a sport-touring bike? Also what are the buying habits of that type of rider? Out of the overall riding community sport-tours make up a very small percentage, so the...

Ummmm i like this board for the good content, can we maybe go back and make comments on my post or something that is at least interesting to read. Instead of internet mudd slinging.

I will not even respond to the sales guy because he hs basing his comment on no real data, just a gut feeling to sale a slow moving bike on his floor. But, lets look at this from another perspective that i feel is a good one. What is the total "SAM" of rider that are in the market for a...

First and foremost the standings of this rally and any other rally does not matter in the whole scene of life and riding in general. If you ask most of the participants they would say that having a safe and fun rally is much more important than where they finish. Also the rally staff does not...

You do not get deals?? Hmmmmmmm really well i guess you must be the right. COME ON!!!!!!!

I think you all make goosd points. The bike is nice, as alot of nice stuff, and would be a good steed to do any type of riding. But it is expensive to purchase. We will jsut have to see what the right up say, i do not trust anyone that just bought one and is ridinging it around saying it is...

Actually you have just played into a myth. Go price a BMW Hourly labor rate verses your Yamaha dealer. It is surprising they are real close. My local yam. dealer is $87 and hour my BMW dealers is $85. Parts are not really that expensive either, go price a oil filter for a v-strom!!!!!!! I...

So what does this crowd think of this bike. More power, apparantly the great handling, Big Power Output, 580 wet. Guys i think the FJR has finally got some competion in the Super sport touring area. BIG price tag to. But FJR are not that cheap anymore 14.6K

Guys this is a huge accounting issue in my book for HDC. So HDC recognize revenue when the motorcycle is shipped, they also reduce their inventory balance. But in reality all they are doing is shipping to a dealer warehouse that HDC is paying the rent. What HDC probably offers long terms on...

Chris if she makes you one i will take one two see if we can get a deal on two of them. I have that jazz cell on my k12RS really good cell not as cool as tangi's but up nice quality.

OK i have defended this movie many times and i'm going to do it once again. I thought the movie was great, Ewan and Charlie set out on adventure and accomplished their goal. Did they have more help then the average rider? Yes. Are the movie stars?Yes. Did they ride their motorcyles across...

Well i think you do not really understand multi-national corp. First off if BMW was not using any type if transfer price allocation model, or hedging model your theory may be right. But, it really would not be, because if bmw was converting dollars to euros the devalue of the euro would mean...

No no no the pricing is wrong. It is going to 15.5K Stripped down and 18.9K fully loaded. That is from a good sources inside BMWNA.

I do not get this top speed discussion. I think the last thing i care about is the bikes top speed. I would take better handling and comfort over top speed. Not that i do not like speed, i mean i was on the US Ski team-C team competeing in the super G and Downhill. Skiing down a ice Downhill...

MC how do you compare out the door price? So let say that you get OTD price on FJR for 11.5K, under your formula the BMW would be 15.3KOTD. 11.5K X 1.33 =15.3K I think that the BMW would be a pretty good deal at 15.3K. I'm thinking more like $17.2K.

Here it is https://www.bmwhp.org/content.asp?ID=1064&CLASS=NEWS#

No i do not work for BMW. But i do ride a BMW, but i'm really thinking about a FJR. But the BMW is paid for and i do not have the flow for a new FJR so i will have to wait a while. I'm not a BMW guy, i just buy what i like and what makes me feel like a 10 year old boy the first time i say a...