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/// KEY IMPROVEMENTS FOR 2016:

  • New 6-speed transmission

New slipper clutch with assist function
New exhaust catalyzers
New LED headlights with "active" LED cornering lights
New LED tail light design & display … FJR now features full LED lighting
Revised instrument / meter assembly … speedo display can be changed to read either kilometers or miles per hour
Revised rear tail section & rear fender design
 
/// KEY IMPROVEMENTS FOR 2016:

  • New 6-speed transmission Don't care about this option
  • New slipper clutch with assist function Dont' care about this one either
  • New exhaust catalyzers, WTF what's wrong with the old ones?
  • New LED headlights with "active" LED cornering lights Not that big a deal, the add on lights cover that range already
  • New LED tail light design & display … FJR now features full LED lighting, Not a big enough option to make me run out and get a new bike
  • Revised instrument / meter assembly … speedo display can be changed to read either kilometers or miles per hour, I can do the math in my head
  • Revised rear tail section & rear fender design, ? Not
  • They should have come out with a yellow version! Then that would have sold me on a new bike.
I am thinking a leftover 15 is looking better all the time.

 
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Sorry about all you that have no interest, I still want one.

Panman and escapefjrtist are going "Don't do it". It took us a couple of long weekends to swap all of my crap over to the new bike the last time I traded.

Hot chicks love that blue.

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Sorry about all you that have no interest, I still want one.
Panman and escapefjrtist are going "Don't do it". It took us a couple of long weekends to swap all of my crap over to the new bike the last time I traded.

Hot chicks love that blue.

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I will also be one of the early owners of the 2016 ES. Perfect timing for an upgrade from my Cobalt Blue 06.

 
So a couple more small tidbits on the new '16 FJR.

I don't know if has been addressed already, but besides the sixth gear in the transmission, the shifting dogs are completely different, no longer cast on the part they were before. Will greatly help in any bent shifting fork possibilities I've been told.

Also, the OBD port is new in that with an adapter, any OBD tool can be used to access the FJR. Unlike in prior years where you had to get Yamaha's specific reader.

 
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Sorry about all you that have no interest, I still want one.

Panman and escapefjrtist are going "Don't do it". It took us a couple of long weekends to swap all of my crap over to the new bike the last time I traded.

Hot chicks love that blue.

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I will also be one of the early owners of the 2016 ES. Perfect timing for an upgrade from my Cobalt Blue 06.
Really you're just going stealth..... we're not even gonna know you changed bikes and neither will the chicks.

 
I don't know if has been addressed already, but besides the sixth gear in the transmission, the shifting dogs are completely different, no longer cast on the part they were before. Will greatly help in any bent shifting fork possibilities I've been told.
That's what I was referring to in post 463 when I said synchronizers were next.

With straight-cut gears you can put the dogs on the sides of the gear wheel, and move the entire wheel side-to-side to engage the shift. With the helical gears, they've removed the dogs to a separate ring, and that ring is moved by the shift fork, the gears stay put.

Why not move the gears like before? Helical gears have an axial force (they push "sideways" to the rotation) which means they would ALWAYS try to apply pressure to the shift fork and eat it up quickly, so the gear wheel has to be retained in place by thrust bearings. (This may be why the gears aren't available separately any more, the requirements of getting those installations correct.)

So the dogs are removed to separate rings, and those are what move back and forth between the gear wheels to execute the ratio selection. This is exactly the same process used in automotive manual transmissions, except those rings are called synchronizer rings, and instead of dogs they carry synchronizer cones.

Thus, this is a very small step from a fully synchronized transmission, which we don't want because the shifts would most likely be slower.

As for better protection of the shift forks, I am dubious. That's not a design point at all, and I'm not sure it would be a result. The dogs can still wear, and if they present angled surfaces instead of flat surfaces, they can still produce an axial force on the shift ring, which would apply pressure against the shift fork and eat it up.

 
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Anybody know what the six speed does to the top end speed?
From Yamaha a recopy of their only statement about it:

a tall 6th gear for relaxed highway riding

<obvious>So, that means it either changes the RPM inwhich a top speed could be achieved or if top speed is now would be achieved in 5th gear (since they don't describe an actual ratio) then 6th gear would no longer be part of the mix.</obvious>

 
If you are interested in the Gear ratio's:

For 2016 it is: 1e 35/14 (2.500), 2e 31/18 (1.722), 3e 27/20 (1,350), 4e 30/27 (1.111), 5e 26/27 (0.963), 6e 22/26 (0,846)

It used to be : 1e 43/17 (2.529), 2e 39/22 (1.773), 3e 31/23 (1,348), 4e 28/26 (1.077), 5e 26/28 (0.929)

This info is from the 2016 Owners Manual that is now available for download at Yamaha...

 
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... There's also a difference in one of the intermediate transmission ratios ... working on it ...

... Link to gearing calculator ...

2006 - 2015 (Click on image for larger view)


2016 -


 
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Yes there is, that is the Final transmission:

2016: 34/36 x 21/27 x 33/9 (2.693)

2015: 35/37 x 21/27 x 33/9 (2.698)

Primary drive has remained the same: 75/48 (1.563)

 
Well, I'd speculated that they would change the middle gear ratio, but my speculation was that it would be shorter, a la Gen I, to make up for the taller low gears.

It's actually taller again, but not by enough anyone would actually be able to tell. Then Gen 1 to Gen II change in the middle gear made it 2.7% taller. Then change in this one is 0.15% taller than before. That makes me wonder if the change was for packaging rather than ratio, as the gears could be slightly smaller, being one tooth less each.

The end result is that at the rear wheel, 1st gear is only about 1% taller than before, but top gear is almost 10% taller.

mcatrophy, if you built your graphs with the same scale they'd make a better comparison. The different scales (200 vs 220 at the top) changes the slope, making the top gear slope actually look the same.

 
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I'm way out of my league here. Ya'll please check me out.

I'm going to interpret "primary drive is the same" to mean the gear ratio for the input shaft on the '16 transmission is not changed. It appear that the final drive has been shortened just a smidge. OTOH, 6th gear is now considerably taller than 5th gear for the Gen III.

If my math is correct (and it is probably not), the means a 3.8% reduction in rear wheel rpm for the 2016 in 6th, v/s the Gen III in 5th. So if my bike runs 74 mph (indicated) at 4,000 rpm. The 2016 will be running 3848.

Here's my math (for better or worse):

PRIMARY RPM x TRANS Ratio / FINAL DRIVE RATIO = REAR WHEEL RPM

DIFFERENCE IN 2016 REAR WHEEL RPM RATIO = 0.0303 (OR 3.8% OVERALL INCREASE IN REAR WHEEL SPIN FOR EQUAL RPM INPUT)

 
I like to think in overall final drive numbers and it looks like 6th will be 3.56:1 and 5th will be 4.05:1.....in comparison the GEN2s 5th gear was 3.92:1. I think 6th gear is a bit tall to actually improve gas mileage but its not as tall as the C14's 6th gear which is 3:40:1.

 
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