2016 Is Official 6-spd, Slipper, LEDs, Analog Tach, Price

[mcatrophy]

Does this help?

2006 top gear: 75/48 x 35/37 x 21/27 x 33 / 9 x 26/28 = 3.914

2016 top gear: 75/48 x 34/36 x 21/27 x 33 / 9 x 22/26 = 3.561

Doing some hard sums:

speed rpm'06 rpm'16

50 2653 2414

60 3184 2896

70 3714 3379

80 4245 3862

90 4776 4345 5306

100 5306 4827

[edited to correct figure, thanks for the spot, chivvalry]

 

[chivvalry]

That does help... but I think one of those isn't quite right. 90, 4776, 5306... I think regardless of gas mileage that highway cruising will be slightly less buzzy on the Gen13 than the previous Gens. Not that I think my 08 is buzzy... I just think it should be a nice refinement.

Of course I might have to triple tap a downshift now instead of double tap... First world troubles? ;-)

 

[wfooshee]

Not quite, hppants.

I'm getting more like a 10% change in top gear. The 6-speed is 9.7% taller than the 5-speed, or going the other way around, you'll get an 8.8% reduction in RPM at a given speed.

At 80 mph I figure an RPM drop from about 4250 with the 5-speed to about 3850 with the 6-speed.

Tire size is mathematically "ideal" in my numbers, which doesn't actually happen.....

EDIT: lotsa folks typing whilst I was figurin'. mcatrophy and I are getting the same numbers, though.

 

[mcatrophy]

Bit more stuff (as wfooshee says, ideal tyre sizes and suchlike, but not a million miles out, and same for both sets of figures) ...

 

[rPGoatBoy]

I don't know if has been addressed already, but besides the sixth gear in the transmission, the shifting dogs are completely different, no longer cast on the part they were before. Will greatly help in any bent shifting fork possibilities I've been told.

That's what I was referring to in post 463 when I said synchronizers were next.

With straight-cut gears you can put the dogs on the sides of the gear wheel, and move the entire wheel side-to-side to engage the shift. With the helical gears, they've removed the dogs to a separate ring, and that ring is moved by the shift fork, the gears stay put.

Why not move the gears like before? Helical gears have an axial force (they push "sideways" to the rotation) which means they would ALWAYS try to apply pressure to the shift fork and eat it up quickly, so the gear wheel has to be retained in place by thrust bearings. (This may be why the gears aren't available separately any more, the requirements of getting those installations correct.)

So the dogs are removed to separate rings, and those are what move back and forth between the gear wheels to execute the ratio selection. This is exactly the same process used in automotive manual transmissions, except those rings are called synchronizer rings, and instead of dogs they carry synchronizer cones.

Thus, this is a very small step from a fully synchronized transmission, which we don't want because the shifts would most likely be slower.

As for better protection of the shift forks, I am dubious. That's not a design point at all, and I'm not sure it would be a result. The dogs can still wear, and if they present angled surfaces instead of flat surfaces, they can still produce an axial force on the shift ring, which would apply pressure against the shift fork and eat it up.

Another ancillary benefit of doing this is there's now a lighter ring for the shift fork to move, as opposed to a whole gear on a spline. That should mean that it will be easier shifting. Dogs and pockets cast on the side of gears probably work great for 600cc-700cc bikes, providing nice, snick-snick shifting, but that probably becomes a problem as the size and weight of the gears increases.

 

[hppants]

Thanks for the clarification on the ratios/rpm calculations. Pants will go ahead and stick to riding motorcycles. Designing? Uh ... no thank you.

 

[art miller]

Does this help?
2006 top gear: 75/48 x 35/37 x 21/27 x 33 / 9 x 26/28 = 3.914

2016 top gear: 75/48 x 34/36 x 21/27 x 33 / 9 x 22/26 = 3.561

Doing some hard sums:

speed rpm'06 rpm'16

50 2653 2414

60 3184 2896

70 3714 3379

80 4245 3862

90 4776 5306

100 5306 4827

Thanks for the clarification. For some the high RPM's is not a concern. I see no reason for a bike with this much horse power to be geared as it is in the pre 6 speed 2016. Big deal if you have to drop into 5th to pass! I'll take the less revs while enjoying the majority of my riding. If I get a little better MPG that will be an added benefit. Shit, my 2014 only has 16K so I can't justify buying the 6th speed yet.

 

[travel_man]

I saw the 2016 FJR at the Miami Motorcycle show yesterday. It looked very nice. I also saw Peter Withers ( 4 time IBR finisher ) and we had a nice long talk about the FJR.

 

[hppants]

Do you find that the blue is UNLIKE neither the '05 or the '06/'12?

 

[SkooterG]

Pants. The blue is exactly the same as the 06/12 FJR models.

 

[RossKean]

I have never championed either a paddle shifter (auto-clutch) or a six-speed transmission. Thinking about it, it seems like these features were made for each other. The YCCS makes a lot more sense in an environment where you may be making more frequent up/down shifts in a fairly small engine speed range.

 

[rPGoatBoy]

Here's an idea...will someone bring a fish scale to a show so we can put a number behind the clutch pull force?

 

[mcatrophy]

I have never championed either a paddle shifter (auto-clutch) or a six-speed transmission. Thinking about it, it seems like these features were made for each other. The YCCS makes a lot more sense in an environment where you may be making more frequent up/down shifts in a fairly small engine speed range.

My 2014 paddle shift is even slicker than the Gen 2 was. Want to pass in a hurry? Open the throttle, click down once, twice or, if it's very tight, three times (hurrah for traction control ), as quickly as you can flick your finger. No manual throttle twitching, the computer deals with that.

I'd be very happy to have that 6th gear just to reduce cruising revs, but it certainly isn't necessary.

 

[hikevint]

This is my next bike. I had a 2006 fjr but an elderly lady (87) decided that she wanted to drive in my lane while I was still in it. Ended up breaking my neck (c2) and shattered my knee. I had approval to buy a used FJR but not a new one due to the price. However, when they announced that the 2016 had 6 gears my wife immediately approved the new bike. I always complained to her that I needed a 6th gear (lots of flat roads in Buffalo) and when she saw a chance to get me to stop complaining she agreed to the purchase right away. So, to make a long story short, if the 2016 FJR didn't have 6 gears I would be driving a used bike and would not have already put a down payment on my new bike (and I still have no idea how much it will cost me). Now I have to wait for it, which is going to be worse than waiting till Christmas for a 10 year old! This is a horrible statement to make (especially for an Environmental Science Teacher), but I'm hoping for some global warming in March and really hoping that it is the warmest on record! Now if everybody can please keep their cars in their own lanes, I'll be a happy camper.

 

[El Toro Joe]

This is my next bike. I had a 2006 fjr but an elderly lady (87) decided that she wanted to drive in my lane while I was still in it. Ended up breaking my neck (c2) and shattered my knee. I had approval to buy a used FJR but not a new one due to the price. However, when they announced that the 2016 had 6 gears my wife immediately approved the new bike. I always complained to her that I needed a 6th gear (lots of flat roads in Buffalo) and when she saw a chance to get me to stop complaining she agreed to the purchase right away. So, to make a long story short, if the 2016 FJR didn't have 6 gears I would be driving a used bike and would not have already put a down payment on my new bike (and I still have no idea how much it will cost me). Now I have to wait for it, which is going to be worse than waiting till Christmas for a 10 year old! This is a horrible statement to make (especially for an Environmental Science Teacher), but I'm hoping for some global warming in March and really hoping that it is the warmest on record! Now if everybody can please keep their cars in their own lanes, I'll be a happy camper.

Sorry to hear about your 06...I also have one (it's now sitting in my dealers warehouse), but why would you put a down payment on a bike that the dealer can't even order yet? My dealer will be ordering one for me as soon as he can, without a down payment.

 

[palerider]

So is this officially Gen 4?

I wouldn't say that....not even close IMO. BTW, I don't think there is an "official" generation ever bestowed by Yamaha. Generations are a designation the marketplace tended to apply after the MAJOR structural and styling updates in 2006 and harmonization of North America with the rest of the world on model year designation. I don't think one more gear or lighting updates constitute a major structural change nor have there been any significant styling changes.
And I will still be designating it as Gen 3 in the matrix.

I think there are enough changes to warrant calling it a Gen IV...6 speed, slipper clutch, LED/Adaptive lighting, re-designed dash...put it to a vote??

I agree. The transmission alone is a major change. Ignatio (kidding): In your view, what would it take to merit a Gen 4 designation ? A bigger engine?

I'm on only Page 6 of this thread. Maybe this has already been answered.

 

[palerider]

I want an AE too (I've only got two of them), but I've ordered one of these in the Cobalt Blue ES flavor.
I'm as excited about this one as I've been about any of the new bikes I've bought in the last decade.

FWIW, "order" means that my name is now at the head of our local official list.

They didn't want a deposit. When it is actually possible to submit orders to Yamaha, we'll work out the details. But it is hard to imagine a circumstance underwhich I would not end up with one of these, unless I truly have to give up clutching entirely.

I would buy a 2016 AE were one available here, but as it's not, I'm seriously considering a 2016 ES with a quick-shifter (https://www.annitoriqs.com/product_detail_1.php).

 

[palerider]

Or perhaps Gen 3.6 for the six-speed?

That's brilliant!

 

[Abercrombie FJR]

Or perhaps Gen 3.6 for the six-speed?

That's brilliant!

Gen 3.6 Nails it dead on!

 

[palerider]

But for now, I'll have to stick with my 2006 in good condition, stored in my unlocked garage with the keys in it and title in the sidecase FJR.

You left out your address.