Anger and the Forum

[Fencer]

Yep, it was here a few months ago

Yo Admins! Close this thread down as a duplicate quick. The noob that started it didn't bother to read that most excellent write-up about searching threads before he rehashed a topic from July. String him up!!

Admin?

Any admins here?....

....Damn. It was me. My bad. :blink:

Ah yes, A fine example

 

[OrangevaleFJR]

I'm gonna try to be nice now. I love you all and you have cool motorcycles too.

 

[Ignacio]

Jumping down someone's throat (and yes to a reader it appears that way IMHO) to tell them to go find and use the search button. This appears especially true to a FNG. While I agree, adults should not need to be led by the hand all the time, it is needed sometimes.

Hmmm. Thought I *was* being constructive. I'll try and take down attitude a notch and maybe rephrase it with "You might wanna try searching on......."?

Also, one other thing (and its prob me). Lately there have been double or tripple posts (the new connie or GSXR for sale for example) on the same subject. Sometimes (not all) it seems the dup posters are getting bitch slapped (Hey dumbass, we've already talked about this - I have not seen this typed out in quotes but this is how I have read some IMHO). As has been stated, you can't tell the mood of the poster.

Would just saying "Duplicate thread *here*. Closing thread." be a fair alternative?

 

[Fencer]

Jumping down someone's throat (and yes to a reader it appears that way IMHO) to tell them to go find and use the search button. This appears especially true to a FNG. While I agree, adults should not need to be led by the hand all the time, it is needed sometimes.

Hmmm. Thought I *was* being constructive. I'll try and take down attitude a notch and maybe rephrase it with "You might wanna try searching on......."?

Also, one other thing (and its prob me). Lately there have been double or tripple posts (the new connie or GSXR for sale for example) on the same subject. Sometimes (not all) it seems the dup posters are getting bitch slapped (Hey dumbass, we've already talked about this - I have not seen this typed out in quotes but this is how I have read some IMHO). As has been stated, you can't tell the mood of the poster.

Would just saying "Duplicate thread *here*. Closing thread." be a fair alternative?

I think yes to "Duplicate thread *here*. Closing thread."

I'm not picking on you. You just made a fine example this morn :lol:

 

[OrangevaleFJR]

let's go for a ride to New Mexico

 

[NoCage]

Yep... I've noticed the increased animosity.

Before I post, I always think, "Would I say this to this guy/gal in person?". I've seen some replies on this board that would get your ass kicked in person.

But, good-natured ribbing is fun. One problem I've seen with that is when a newer member gets in on the ribbing and gets blasted. There is an undefined time or number of posts before they can without a beat down.

 

[fjrchik]

Honestly, I think we are missing Odot's tree and beer. He must have that Harley pulled apart all over his puter by now B)

all the argueing, whining and bitchiness is a major reason why elvis left the building. it hasn't been that much fun around here lately.

i personally think the lack of a major event in the near future has left us without something to anticipate and get excited about.

we need woodstock's humor back too! say somethin woody!

 

[mdisher]

Honestly...

Forums are Cyclical. You've about done all you can a section for "Never Ending Pointless Recurring BS"

People come and people go.

But the fact remains, that every new person will have the same questions you did when you were new. They will go through the same things you and I did. If you don't want to help them, then don't, but there's no need to kick them in the teeth. That only stifles future contribution and turns people off.

What a lot of people tend to forget is that if you search for a solution, and the thread happened 6 months ago, it may not necessarily be relevant anymore. New stuff comes out all the time. So it's is often worth asking again.

Forums aren't the be-all end-all. Having the Bin-o-Facts is HUGE and helps a lot, but newbs don't know where that is when they are NEW.

What might be better is to expand that into a WIKI section and grow it further. Allowing people contribute stuff to it instead of waiting for the facts to be updated when ever an admin decides something is worthy or fits. (I'm not saying that the Bin-O-Facts isn't good, it's great, but can be greater even)

That's the beauty of Wiki's

OK, I'm done rambling now.

 

[twowheelnut]

TWN wants all the big dicks anyway :lol:

Nah, mate, me only loiks this kinna Dick, wot?

 

[rogdeb]

TWN wants all the big dicks anyway :lol:

Nah, mate, me only loiks this kinna Dick, wot?

Aye, aye then -- that looks familiar

 

[Warchild]

Any psychologists in the group?

I had a crusty old Master Chief Aviation Boatswain's Mate who worked the Flight Deck with me during Desert Storm.

He was a philosopher extraordinaire, lemme tell you.

Whenever he would come across a couple sailors who were bickering or fighting (to the deteriment of the team as a whole), he'd first drag them down to the potato locker, have them don boxing gloves to prevent major cuts, and have them duke it out. When they were done, he'd order them to clean up..... and then take them down to his favorite whorehouse to get them laid.

To him, that seemed to be pretty much the answer to all social problems... he said he would often turn bitter rivals into lifelong freinds after allowing them to hash it out, then go score some nooky together.

Dunno how that process could be reasonably implemented on the forum, mind you, but I bet the concept is still sound enough.... :lol: :lol:

Seriously though, y'all may not appreciate how good we've got it here.... if you want to see a forum that has descended into the sewers, swing by the American CBR1100XX forum. Once a great place of on-topic info and tremendous comraderie, it is now a gigantic steaming pile of horseshit, with trolls running rampant, hate-mongers spewing crap all over the place, religious nutbags pushing their cults, complete bullshit political tirades filled with acrid venom... it is a brautal shame what it has become. Many, many, MANY long-term (5+ years or more) users have departed, and the place is a lot, LOT poorer because of it. Anymore, I am spending what little XX forum surfing I can afford over on the Australian XX forum.

Now admittedly, the primary reason the XX forum has sunk to the lows it has is due to the fact that there are no rules there. I mean, none whatsoever. We have very few rules here (only 7, I believe), but there is nothing whatsoever on the Blackbird forum. This was perhaps okay when the forum was young and most all members were serious about discussing the XX. But with 3000+ members, it's not okay. Too, the Blackbird is so stone reliable, there's virtually no problem areas to discuss. No ticking, no heat, no perceived sidestand issues, no throttle abruptness, none of the traits we deal with here. That being the case, coupled with the no-rules policy, well.... little wonder trolls and hate-mongers flourish there.

Not to worry, though, because I guarantee you that the FJR Forum Admin team will not - under any circumstances - allow that to happen here.

 

[Ignacio]

Dunno how that process could be reasonably implemented on the forum, mind you, but I bet the concept is still sound enough.... :lol: :lol:

A new thread to be turned on for one hour a week called "The Ticking Octagon". Two people allowed to post. No rules 1 through 7. Only rule is No eyepoking or jokes about one's mother. Pick up whatever is left after an hour and haul them over to www.babesforhire.com aftewards.

Now admittedly, the primary reason the XX forum has sunk to the lows it has is due to the fact that there are no rules there. I mean, none whatsoever. We have very few rules here (only 7, I believe), but there is nothing whatsoever on the Blackbird forum. This was perhaps okay when the forum was young and most all members were serious about discussing the XX. But with 3000+ members, it's not okay.
...Not to worry, though, because I guarantee you that the FJR Forum Admin team will not - under any circumstances - allow that to happen here.

That really does help my friend. It's a forest-for-the-trees perspective and not a path we should go down.

Let's keep attacking the problem then....like the thread author has been trying to do.

What might be better is to expand that into a WIKI section and grow it further. Allowing people contribute stuff to it instead of waiting for the facts to be updated when ever an admin decides something is worthy or fits. (I'm not saying that the Bin-O-Facts isn't good, it's great, but can be greater even)
That's the beauty of Wiki's

OK, I'm done rambling now.

I did experiment and got a blank Wiki up in test mode, but couldn't figure out the ontology. You have specific experience in setting one up from scratch? If so, PM me and I think we (you, me, and Rickster possibly) might be able to work on this.

 

[Fencer]

, have them don boxing gloves to prevent major cuts, and have them duke it out. When they were done, he'd order them to clean up..... and then take them down to his favorite whorehouse to get them laid.
To him, that seemed to be pretty much the answer to all social problems... he said he would often turn bitter rivals into lifelong freinds after allowing them to hash it out, then go score some nooky together.

Dunno how that process could be reasonably implemented on the forum, mind you, but I bet the concept is still sound enough.... :lol: :lol:

This works for me. Too many folks want to solve a dissagreement with guns. My pop (a Marine, go figure) raised me with the above philosophy. You kick the crap outa him or he does it to you, when you are done- friends again.

I don't know how I'm gonna thump Thug from Bama, but we still have internet porn :lol:

 

[skyway]

Let me see if I can possibly hit at least one nail on the head here, doubtful but worth a try?

Here are a couple of examples.

The '06 FJR has a lot of changes over previous years, where 03-05 owners cannot relate to and provide relative information. This leaves a big void between forum members sharing information, which has no real way of being filled. Lately however, I've been reading of several '06 owners who have come forward with their own good ideas and findings, instead of "Does XYZ work on my '06 FJR." This is ok to a point, but after reading it over and over and over on the same subject, begins to get a little monotonous.

I have noticed that there are a few forum members here, who when they have decided that their single mod, findings, ideas have seemingly helped their situation, become the instant "holy grail of fact" and low and behold anyone who dares challenge their findings and will accept nothing else as an alternative. It becomes a situation of "my way is right and everyone else can just blow me." Even to the point where alternative ideas seem to promote even better results, still such perpetrators refuse point blank to take a step back and maybe open their mind for a nano second and think about the new information that's in front of them. It simply becomes a stalemate situation, where nobody really knows what to believe.

Some folks here just like a little ribbing, while others are very easily offended. For those who don't enjoy a little ribbing, let me point out that people who do it, usually only direct it to others that they like.

The membership seems to have grown rapidly lately, at least to me anyway. New members seeking information should should put some effort into the search function or look in the archives for your standard oil, tires, service intervals, windshields, seats, topcase, bulbs, whatever else, etc. The same old questions are repeating multiple times on almost a weekly basis and are clogging up the forum pages with the same old same old. I suggest admin politely close this type of recurring thread when spotted, with the reason as to why this is happening. The search functions does work here last time I checked.

If for some reason you feel you have been "offended" in some way, use the PM/email function to duke it out and don't waste bandwidth with public shooting matches, that's so 80's. :lol:

If all else fails, a "fight club" section of the forum should not be out of the question? At least this way, folks know what their clicking into, before they get there. That keeps 95% of the forum work safe for those being hawk-eyed by big brother during the work day.

 

[Warchild]

If all else fails, a "fight club" section of the forum should not be out of the question?

No way. We're not going to waste resources creating a bandwidth-sucking, purpose-built cesspool.

They do that nonsense over on ST.N, so if folks want to engage in that activity, they can use their bandwidth.

That having been said, ever notice how you can sometimes never even get ST.N site to resolve? Gee... think they might have a bandwidth issue? :glare:

 

[skyway]

If all else fails, a "fight club" section of the forum should not be out of the question?

No way. We're not going to waste resources creating a bandwidth-sucking, purpose-built cesspool.

They do that nonsense over on ST.N, so if folks want to engage in that activity, they can use their bandwidth.

That having been said, ever notice how you can sometimes never even get ST.N site to resolve? Gee... think they might have a bandwidth issue? :glare:

It was worth a shot? I was quite looking forward to some of the usual suspects slinging mud back and forth.

 

[Ignacio]

If all else fails, a "fight club" section of the forum should not be out of the question?

No way. We're not going to waste resources creating a bandwidth-sucking, purpose-built cesspool.

They do that nonsense over on ST.N, so if folks want to engage in that activity, they can use their bandwidth.

That having been said, ever notice how you can sometimes never even get ST.N site to resolve? Gee... think they might have a bandwidth issue? :glare:

Gee. Folks have been right about it being difficult to detect mood from pure text.

For the record, that was sarcasm at what I thought was my most dripping level. Me, the one that hunts down political threads wants to start a purpose-built exception to the rules?

Yeah..not so much. No fight club.

Sorry Warchild.

 

[Scab]

Ah, growing pangs. All this is really quite simple. We might all be better served to remember the "Idiot Rule." And that is simply; No one wants to look like an idiot, sound like an idiot, feel like an idiot, or be thought to be an idiot.

So before hitting "add relpy" to a post, ask yourself if that post is going to do any of the above to any other poster. Then let your conscience be your guide. 90%+ of all perceived hostility will evaporate.

Geez, this just isn't shouldn't be that hard. Act like your mother told you to act.

 

[ionbeam]

Adding on to what Skyway said...

I have noticed that there are a few forum members here, who when they have decided that their single mod, findings, ideas have seemingly helped their situation, become the instant "holy grail of fact" and low and behold anyone who dares challenge their findings and will accept nothing else as an alternative. It becomes a situation of "my way is right and everyone else can just blow me." Even to the point where alternative ideas seem to promote even better results, still such perpetrators refuse point blank to take a step back and maybe open their mind for a nano second and think about the new information that's in front of them. It simply becomes a stalemate situation, where nobody really knows what to believe.

That covers part of it. I would offer just the opposite too. Someone says that they have a problem, fault, defect, difficulty using, etc., then another person that doesn't have that particular problem/issue doesn't just say, "Not me." They jump all over the poster telling them that they have an IQ lower than a worm and they are the most sorry piece of shit they have ever seen because the they had that problem. People have been dog piled because they wanted a turn signal canceling unit. There was a dog pile for the errant kick stand users. One poster that piled the 'lame' people that can't use a side stand was in another thread saying how they needed a turn signal canceling unit.
When the reaction to a small issue gets so overblown that long time posters stop participating in the Forum then we have all lost something. When one or a few shout down the masses from the "holy grail of fact" then they have lost an important source that could educate, diversify our understanding or enrich our collective. We need to spend more of our effort focusing on the subject and not the person. Some of the most cherished posts I have read have been flaming, raging, spittle spewing, out of control, over the top rants. Take the original Continental Heart Attack tire review. Or, some of the forest rat tirades. Note that in these cases the emotion was on a subject and not a person. Agree or disagree with the view, but leave the person out. Advise, promote, educate but don't force feed.

 

[FJRMGM]

can't we all just get along?