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mg: Cry havoc and let loose the dogs of war! (Attributed to that old dead English guy)twowheelnut
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Working for the oil companies for over 35yrs, using both dino and synthetics in motors, pumps, gearboxes and air-compressors, I have been able to see (real world) the benefits of synthetics. They are measurable. No marketing hype going on here. There is proof out there, you just need to pay attention and not be so stuck in the past"Wrong" Synthetic's also flow better when cold. They also run cooler. They also show less wear. They also leave less carbon deposits. There are many benefits to running Synthetic oils. These are already proven facts
SEE!!! Living proof that SOMEONE listens to those marketing wizards selling synthetic oil!!!
If you are "coldstarting" below -40 I would concur that synthetics would be helpful. For an FJR this is not an issue.
Synthetics do NOT run cooler. Myriads of engine cooling tests performed by myself over the years have debunked this idea long ago. Just don't happen.
Less wear...??? Right..... Wonder how all those 200,000 plus mile engines got that far with all the "wear" that conventional oil allows. Conventional oils provide the exact same "wear" protection that any synthetic can. Proven by decades of successful operation of engines on conventional oil. And successfully starting them at -40 with conventional oil under the worst operating conditions.
Less carbon deposits? Not likely. Since carbon deposits and piston cleanliness are part of the API performance specifications the conventional oils perform the same as synthetics.
The only "benefit" to synthetics is their ability to survive at extended operation above 305 F. If your engine oil is getting that hot then do something other than change to synthetics.
Don't get me wrong. Synthetics are great products....if you need them. Most people...er..ah...engines do not need them. They are a waste of money in most all cases but they do make people feel much better pouring them into their machine......and they justify those good feelings by secumbing to the synthetic marketing geniuses with promises of less wear and better cold flow etc... I really don't have any problem at all with people using synthetics in anything (heck, I use Mobil 1 in my Corvette...) but just don't ascribe magical properties to them.
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twowheelnut
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:lol: "Show is over". Sometimes it is best to just let it go and do what you know is best B) .
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mdisher
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Greg E.
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Damn! I just hate it when I come in and they're rolling the credits....... :blink:
HaulinAshe
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Just for the record, I run synthetics in all my engines, even the damn lawnmower. Synthetics make a big difference in motocross conditions, especially around here during summer temps close to 100F. But I also don't believe that the synthetic lube is any real benefit to my FJR.
1. I don't have to maintain a stock of several different types. I have a motorcycle grade synthetic and a cager grade synthetic. The lawnmower gets whatever I have the most of at the time.
2. By using synthetics, I believe that in some small way I may be helping support the further development of synthetic blends. Seems to me that it's unrealistic of me to expect constantly improved lubricants if I'm not willling to put my money where my desire is. Pretty darn sure that it makes no difference how much dino oil I use, no one is going to invent a better rotted dinosaur!
But I am very careful not to expect synthetic oil to do anything more than dino blends in most applications. It does give me that feel good experience. And I am well known for spending money on anything that makes me feel good.
1. I don't have to maintain a stock of several different types. I have a motorcycle grade synthetic and a cager grade synthetic. The lawnmower gets whatever I have the most of at the time.
2. By using synthetics, I believe that in some small way I may be helping support the further development of synthetic blends. Seems to me that it's unrealistic of me to expect constantly improved lubricants if I'm not willling to put my money where my desire is. Pretty darn sure that it makes no difference how much dino oil I use, no one is going to invent a better rotted dinosaur!
But I am very careful not to expect synthetic oil to do anything more than dino blends in most applications. It does give me that feel good experience. And I am well known for spending money on anything that makes me feel good.
Using synthetics in your FJR is giving you some benefit.
(1) Using synthetic oil generates less heat. Your cooling system will not need to work as hard. The rear end will run cooler. You can actually measure this change in heat.
(2) You get less carbon build-up. I am not talking about carbon on the topside of the piston. I am talking about the black stuff that you can see under the valve covers and on most internal parts of the engine. Not only will you not see it when using synthetic oil, synthetic oil will clean it out of an engine that previously was not using it. This is why using synthetic in a very old engine that has always used dino oil is not always a good thing.
Just my .02 take it or leave it B) .
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twowheelnut
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Jeff, Jeff, Jeff... You do realize, of course, that oil was not generated from decomposing dinosaurs, don't you? If you do, then you shouldn't buy the swill that warsr is trying to sell. Syns generate less heat? How the hell does that work?
SkooterG
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Bah, humbug!
Well sheeee-ut! That synthetic stuff of which you speak must be MAGIC! I wonder what else it can do? Can it cure TWN' predelection for Gerbils? Iggy's rudeness? :lol: Radman's warped wit? And most of all, will it keep my FJR from crashing no matter how I ride it?
Where's the beef? Where's some factual proof of what you claim? A link to a 3rd party technical paper perhaps? Synthetic oil is still just an oil. It ain't hocus pocus. Clever marketing however, is priceless.
Synthetic oil magically cleaning out an engine dirty from conventional oil?
Hmmmm..........
I am leaving it.
mcatrophy
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JimLor
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Interesting read, BUT......Hmmm, a test performed by a synthetic oil maker to show how superior their product is....
And Whaddya mean oil doesn't come from compacted dinosaurs! Next you'll say there's no Easter Bunny or Santa Claus.
And Whaddya mean oil doesn't come from compacted dinosaurs! Next you'll say there's no Easter Bunny or Santa Claus.
Scab
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I have seen numerous tests proving that Aunt Jemima can enhance a pancake better than Mrs. Butterworth.
Aunt Jemima has a better ratio of water and sugar and is more viscous than others. Aunt Jemima has less tendency to produce crystals with its particular hydrogen bonds between the dissolved sugar and the water.
If you like the taste of Mrs. Butterworth, than go ahead and use it. Amazingly enough, in real world tests conducted at many IHOP restaurants around the world, the brands were split at nearly 50/50.
Both brands were able to achieve a similar result with a wide range of users, leveling the playfield. Customer satisfaction and fulfillment are closely linked to personal preference, influence and tradition.
Although one brand may sweeten more than another, the ultimate answer is based on the pancake, the hunger and the need. Extra sucrose may not be necessary in all situations.
Aunt Jemima has a better ratio of water and sugar and is more viscous than others. Aunt Jemima has less tendency to produce crystals with its particular hydrogen bonds between the dissolved sugar and the water.
If you like the taste of Mrs. Butterworth, than go ahead and use it. Amazingly enough, in real world tests conducted at many IHOP restaurants around the world, the brands were split at nearly 50/50.
Both brands were able to achieve a similar result with a wide range of users, leveling the playfield. Customer satisfaction and fulfillment are closely linked to personal preference, influence and tradition.
Although one brand may sweeten more than another, the ultimate answer is based on the pancake, the hunger and the need. Extra sucrose may not be necessary in all situations.
evil_henchman
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Only 100% pure maple syrup for me thank you very much. Preferably Canadian. I realize this is a synthetic thread but this is one instance where a conventional product definately holds the trump card. Unlike motor oil
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