Father with family in SUV chased, beaten by speed-demon bikers

[Redfish Hunter]

No! You've got it all wrong! Mieses' family says he was the victim! He was just trying to do some stuntin' with his friends and this Lien guy was holding them back. This Lien character obviously led a "luxury lifestyle" (another quote from the Mieses family) and had no regard for the Hollywood Stuntas rights to shut down a public road and do some freestyle exhibition riding. Just because this Lien guy had a real job and was obeying the law, what gives him the right to interfere with the Hollywood Stuntas? These are real Playas, just keeping it real. They were probably all on their way to job interviews right after the festivities.

I will echo the sentiments of HotRodZilla. The film clearly shows the license plate #s. The "detective" work has already been done. Just arrest them.

 

[Warpdrv]

strange how criminals don't obey the law..... he got what he had coming to him, punk ***.....

Seeing as the communist state of NY - chooses to damn near all but take ones means to defend themselves by making it illegal for all but the elite to possess a firearm, the driver of the RR did what was necessary to protect his family in fear for his and their lives by these animals..... I'd have done the same

 

[bobg3723]

As for the other numb-skull with a 12 year old's maturity who decided he was going brake check the SUV on a public highway to earn some respect among his "crew" of stunter's, I'd have to say part of the blame is on the parent's of this loser for raising such an arrogant and reckless nitwit.

So I dunno if the guy who got run over and was left paralyzed truly deserved his fate in spite of his prior history with bad judgment, but when you put yourself in harm's way like he did by stopping in the middle of the road (as opposed to the emergency lane to the side) because you were gonna get yer stuntin' Jones on by literally entrapping another motorist from freely leaving then all bet's are off when you're dealing with another human being who you and your mob just terrorized.

No more good times for you.

 

[Redfish Hunter]

Probably the best part of this whole thing is the doofus who proudly posted the video. He was showing the world how awesome the Hollywood Stunta rally was and how bad-*** he and his buddies are. I bet he is really proud of himself right now. He showed how smart they all were. I wonder if any of his buddies have realized that they screwed themselves. Or maybe they are all sitting around their iphones watching the videos and laughing at how cool they looked.

 

[Top_Speed1]

Seeing stuff like this makes me start to believe that we really are a bunch of ********.

Well, not all of us, but certainly most of us.
I guess if I lived up there I might have to change my attitude though. You never know. Dude! I might have to become a Full Time Playa! My Iron Butt might start to rust on the seat of my Stunta Bike!

Dude, now that's sum funny shazitts. And if ya evah wanna b a FTP, I got some (off)season power toys for sale to fill your void.

NYC is a 5hr distance from me (it's good padding). I go down a couple times a year for events like Big East B-Ball Tourneys or sometimes Xmas shopping in Midtown. I never have had the itch to ride the bike through any of the boroughs however! I wonder, what the hookers do to bikers at stop lights (in a car on a hot summer nite, they will walk up to you and flop their ****ies in your window).

 

[bobg3723]

As for the other numb-skull with a 12 year old's maturity who decided he was going brake check the SUV on a public highway to earn some respect among his "crew" of stunter's, I'd have to say part of the blame is on the parent's of this loser for raising such an arrogant and reckless nitwit.
So I dunno if the guy who got run over and was left paralyzed truly deserved his fate in spite of his prior history with bad judgment, but when you put yourself in harm's way like he did by stopping in the middle of the road (as opposed to the emergency lane to the side) because you were gonna get yer stuntin' Jones on by literally entrapping another motorist from freely leaving then all bet's are off when you're dealing with another human being who you and your mob just terrorized.

No more good times for you.

First, these hell on wheel idiots reap what they sow. You can clearly see that in the video as Cruz progressively reduced his MC's velocity in front of the SUV all the while simultaneously turning to face the SUV driver (Lien) as he was doing so. But Lien's got's some 'splaining of his own. While I've yet to see evidence that the Lien had or had not initially been tailgating, and despite the A-hole Cruz whose MC allegedly was clipped by Lien did clearly exacerbate a tailgating situation by his purposefully and deliberate brake checking, what was Lien doing for his part of the clipping. Cruz was clearly in view of Lien for several seconds (shown on video) before their vehicles collided (not shown on video). If Lien had several seconds at his disposal to also reduced his speed to avoid that ***** Cruz's reckless maneuver, why did they still collide? Whether the incident that followed (Lien clipping Cruz) was due an inexperienced driver behind the wheel not slowing down to avoid a collision or two hot heads jockeying for power on the highway needs to come out in discovery and should be brought before a judge. Two wrong's don't make a right, as they say and Lien may not be completely without fault here, too.

 

[Intech]

Hudson, didn't our MaryEllen - MEM star in this movie? jes' sayin' and nuff said!

Can't be. She is touching the ground flat-footed.

 

[wnyfjr]

First, these hell on wheel idiots reap what they sow. You can clearly see that in the video as Cruz progressively reduced his MC's velocity in front of the SUV all the while simultaneously turning to face the SUV driver (Lien) as he was doing so. But Lien's got's some 'splaining of his own. While I've yet to see evidence that the Lien had or had not initially been tailgating, and despite the A-hole Cruz whose MC allegedly was clipped by Lien did clearly exacerbate a tailgating situation by his purposefully and deliberate brake checking, what was Lien doing for his part of the clipping. Cruz was clearly in view of Lien for several seconds (shown on video) before their vehicles collided (not shown on video). If Lien had several seconds at his disposal to also reduced his speed to avoid that ***** Cruz's reckless maneuver, why did they still collide? Whether the incident that followed (Lien clipping Cruz) was due an inexperienced driver behind the wheel not slowing down to avoid a collision or two hot heads jockeying for power on the highway needs to come out in discovery and should be brought before a judge. Two wrong's don't make a right, as they say and Lien may not be completely without fault here, too.

I imagine Lien was likely looking all around at the bikes surrounding his vehicle. I don't find it hard to believe that for a few seconds he might have been looking either left or right at those on either side of him and didn't notice that Cruz was braking as fast as he was. At that point his head was likely on a swivel, perhaps looking for an escape route.

 

[chivvalry]

First, these hell on wheel idiots reap what they sow. You can clearly see that in the video as Cruz progressively reduced his MC's velocity in front of the SUV all the while simultaneously turning to face the SUV driver (Lien) as he was doing so. But Lien's got's some 'splaining of his own. While I've yet to see evidence that the Lien had or had not initially been tailgating, and despite the A-hole Cruz whose MC allegedly was clipped by Lien did clearly exacerbate a tailgating situation by his purposefully and deliberate brake checking, what was Lien doing for his part of the clipping. Cruz was clearly in view of Lien for several seconds (shown on video) before their vehicles collided (not shown on video). If Lien had several seconds at his disposal to also reduced his speed to avoid that ***** Cruz's reckless maneuver, why did they still collide? Whether the incident that followed (Lien clipping Cruz) was due an inexperienced driver behind the wheel not slowing down to avoid a collision or two hot heads jockeying for power on the highway needs to come out in discovery and should be brought before a judge. Two wrong's don't make a right, as they say and Lien may not be completely without fault here, too.

I imagine Lien was likely looking all around at the bikes surrounding his vehicle. I don't find it hard to believe that for a few seconds he might have been looking either left or right at those on either side of him and didn't notice that Cruz was braking as fast as he was. At that point his head was likely on a swivel, perhaps looking for an escape route.

Agreed.

 

[airboss]

Let justice prevail.

 

[PhilJet09]

As for the other numb-skull with a 12 year old's maturity who decided he was going brake check the SUV on a public highway to earn some respect among his "crew" of stunter's, I'd have to say part of the blame is on the parent's of this loser for raising such an arrogant and reckless nitwit.

You have got to be kidding me! These are legal adults we are talking about here. At what point do you propose we cut the cord in our modern day society? 20? 25? Sometimes kids just grow up to be azzholes, no matter how good the parents are. Even if their parents are complete pieces of crap, society expects them to figure out how to get along when they become adults.

 

[allrider]

I'm looking forward to all of those knuckleheads being caught with help from that video.

They say you can't fix stupid. Well i have some suggestions they could try.

 

[bobg3723]

Eighteen years old (or legally emancipated) is the cut-off if you want to be pedantic about it. Of course the consequence belong only to the perpetrator(s), um...actions. Partly to blame on his parents that I'm referring to was his upbringing.

 

[chivvalry]

Gloria Allred is now involved...

"Edwin Mieses and his family deplore what happened to the driver of the SUV," she said. "However, let us not lose sight of the fact that Mr. Mieses had done nothing to Mr. Lien," she added. "We don't think our client should have been run over and crushed." Allred said the family has not decided whether to sue Lien, 33, and is cooperating with the Manhattan District Attorney's office as it investigates."

https://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/04/20820832-gloria-allred-injured-biker-was-innocent-victim-in-clash-with-suv?lite

 

[bobg3723]

First, these hell on wheel idiots reap what they sow. You can clearly see that in the video as Cruz progressively reduced his MC's velocity in front of the SUV all the while simultaneously turning to face the SUV driver (Lien) as he was doing so. But Lien's got's some 'splaining of his own. While I've yet to see evidence that the Lien had or had not initially been tailgating, and despite the A-hole Cruz whose MC allegedly was clipped by Lien did clearly exacerbate a tailgating situation by his purposefully and deliberate brake checking, what was Lien doing for his part of the clipping. Cruz was clearly in view of Lien for several seconds (shown on video) before their vehicles collided (not shown on video). If Lien had several seconds at his disposal to also reduced his speed to avoid that ***** Cruz's reckless maneuver, why did they still collide? Whether the incident that followed (Lien clipping Cruz) was due an inexperienced driver behind the wheel not slowing down to avoid a collision or two hot heads jockeying for power on the highway needs to come out in discovery and should be brought before a judge. Two wrong's don't make a right, as they say and Lien may not be completely without fault here, too.

I imagine Lien was likely looking all around at the bikes surrounding his vehicle. I don't find it hard to believe that for a few seconds he might have been looking either left or right at those on either side of him and didn't notice that Cruz was braking as fast as he was. At that point his head was likely on a swivel, perhaps looking for an escape route.

Well, that's a valid hypothesis, however it's also equally valid that a cager can display a hostile act by "playing chicken" with a smaller MC. I've experienced that just the other day when merging onto a the freeway from a cloverleaf curve when some ******* in the slow lane rather than adjusting his speed to allow me to ingress, "stepped on the gas" to close the gap as I was attempting to merge. I was clearly in his view in that situation since I was actually ahead of him as I started my transition onto the freeway. He didn't even attempt exit as he squeezed me onto the emergency lane. Who's to say that could not also be a possibility here when Cruz and Lien bumped heads?

 

[wnyfjr]

First, these hell on wheel idiots reap what they sow. You can clearly see that in the video as Cruz progressively reduced his MC's velocity in front of the SUV all the while simultaneously turning to face the SUV driver (Lien) as he was doing so. But Lien's got's some 'splaining of his own. While I've yet to see evidence that the Lien had or had not initially been tailgating, and despite the A-hole Cruz whose MC allegedly was clipped by Lien did clearly exacerbate a tailgating situation by his purposefully and deliberate brake checking, what was Lien doing for his part of the clipping. Cruz was clearly in view of Lien for several seconds (shown on video) before their vehicles collided (not shown on video). If Lien had several seconds at his disposal to also reduced his speed to avoid that ***** Cruz's reckless maneuver, why did they still collide? Whether the incident that followed (Lien clipping Cruz) was due an inexperienced driver behind the wheel not slowing down to avoid a collision or two hot heads jockeying for power on the highway needs to come out in discovery and should be brought before a judge. Two wrong's don't make a right, as they say and Lien may not be completely without fault here, too.

I imagine Lien was likely looking all around at the bikes surrounding his vehicle. I don't find it hard to believe that for a few seconds he might have been looking either left or right at those on either side of him and didn't notice that Cruz was braking as fast as he was. At that point his head was likely on a swivel, perhaps looking for an escape route.

Well, that's a valid hypothesis, however it's also equally valid that a cager can display a hostile act by "playing chicken" with a smaller MC. I've experienced that just the other day when merging onto a the freeway from a cloverleaf curve when some ******* in the slow lane rather than adjusting his speed to allow me to ingress, "stepped on the gas" to close the gap as I was attempting to merge. I was clearly in his view in that situation since I was actually ahead of him as I started my transition onto the freeway. He didn't even attempt exit as he squeezed me onto the emergency lane. Who's to say that could not also be a possibility here when Cruz and Lien bumped heads?

I, too, have seen cagers force an issue with me. However, in the video you can see that the SUV was being passed on both sides by the riders, so I still think Lien was looking around and not just straight ahead. And if you watch, you'll see Mr. Cruz staring right at Lien as he slowly passes close by on the left of him, as if he was challenging him somehow. Cruz then pulls in front of the SUV and quickly begins his decelleration. Seems like Lien was targted for some reason (maybe something happened earlier before the start of the posted video). Of course, there may be no real reason for it, they may have just figured he was as good as any other motorist to harrass.

 

[BobbyBlue]

a little hotter, flatter, and more crowded....the future....i'll go out of my way to use signals etc, but when casting pearls at swine, dont throw the good ones for nothing...

i'm happy to see video chips used in this manner usually turns against the mis-user....fortunately, these genetic mutants memories are about as long as there batteries charge...

as a materials scientist, i was curious, once, about the texas rot rally...how does that much burned flesh not crisp around the edges...really fat people have no edges...another phd dissertation down the tubes...they do fight off the bikes though..its a slow motion thing too...but no motorcycles or suv's were much damaged...

i still resolve to ride nicer just because....

Bobby

 

[Fred W]

Well, that's a valid hypothesis, however it's also equally valid that a cager can display a hostile act by "playing chicken" with a smaller MC. I've experienced that just the other day when merging onto a the freeway from a cloverleaf curve when some ******* in the slow lane rather than adjusting his speed to allow me to ingress, "stepped on the gas" to close the gap as I was attempting to merge. I was clearly in his view in that situation since I was actually ahead of him as I started my transition onto the freeway. He didn't even attempt exit as he squeezed me onto the emergency lane. Who's to say that could not also be a possibility here when Cruz and Lien bumped heads?

Sorry, you need to go back and learn the rules (and courtesies) of the road.

You, as the entering driver/rider have the obligation to yield to traffic already on that roadway, regardless of what they are doing. The driver already in the road has no obligation whatsoever to yield or adjust to accommodate you or your entry. Their job is to maintain steady course and speed (as much as practical) so that you can then adjust yours to perform the merge. When people do such silly crap as slow down for entering traffic it is what causes huge traffic delays and tie ups at every exit ramp of limited access highways, all because people do not understand what they are supposed to do.

Inability to merge with other traffic is why our interstates are in a continuous state of total chaos. Nobody, including slower traffic or tractor trailer trucks, who should be driving in the slow lane, will drive in the rightmost lane because of this fear of having to deal with "merging". This makes them ride in the 2nd lane, even if the right lane is open, and even while traveling at a speeds far less than the average traffic.

Naturally, since the right lane is mostly open that entices the people who want to pass the middle lane turtles to do so on their right, and this causes faster(est) traffic to be present in the right lane where people are attempting to merge.

I don't mean to come down hard on you, but you have tripped over one of my biggest traffic pet peeves.

 

[ionbeam]

Sorry...you have tripped over one of my biggest traffic pet peeves.

Boy would I love to jump in on this, but due to thread drift I'll keep out.

 

[Fred W]

I have no scruples