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Not only did FJR1300 sales slow down. ST1300's have just been at Honda Auction because Honda made to many. Guys.. most everyone that wanted a FJR1300 has one.. why? Because most of you guys are older adults that have that kind of money to buy something now then later. Your a educated buyer. With what these dealerships have done is made it simpler for you to see a FJR1300 before you purchased one.
It was a contract between Yamaha and U.S. motorcyclists -- a contract that you (and Chicago Cycles) undermined. There were several facets to the PDP -- some for us, some for Yamaha; thanks to greedy U.S. dealers we, the riders, have little say in the matter anymore.I understood the PDP program was for pre orders.
Interesting perspective, Fred -- do you know the difference between excrement and a popular shoe-shine substance?? :huh:SBNFred: Hell more people should look at the FJR1300 then the Goldwing in my opinion.
Most have us have dis-liked the PDP from the beginning. I bought a used '03 rather than waiting on the '04 PDP.The FJR1300.. a special order bike.. only way to get it. $500 deposit. Dealerships charge retail price.. ok fine no freight and prep.. You wait.. You have never sat on this bike. never touched this bike.. hell never even test rode this bike.. But your willing to pay full price of 12k or so???? Just doesnt make sence..
But now a dealership.. and many others.. fork up the money.. $500 deposit.. get the bike on the floor and now.. like 2006 got stuck with many of them and you get a great deal on a 06 FJR1300.. is this wrong for the consumer.. why the heck would they care if Yamaha was being lied too?
Now, what was that about generic claims about salesmen?Hehe.. I would have.. but see.. since so many people in this world think its a easy job to run a successful website.. people try to setup there own and set forth permissions making it difficult to do so.
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I can understand people being upset for that reason. But like you said you guys didnt like the program either. Sure there are some that ran into not getting there bike. But at the same time there is a lot of customers that loved the idea that we put the $500 down right away. We did it for our customers.The reason so many FJR owners get upset about falsing the PDP order is twofold.
#1 is the warranty issue. I know what the owner of your dealership told you, and that somehow may hold true. Our collective experience has been the exact opposite in every previous case. We have had several issues with people's warranties being started when the dealer received the bike. In fact, I have not seen a post by a user to the contrary. Your comments are the first I've heard of a full warranty on a falsely-pdp'd bike.
#2 is that for the first few years, we had lots of users who's bike deliveries were late in the PDP, meanwhile mega-dealers like Chicago cycle had bikes on the floor with no customer. Even though falsing the PDP could be construed as good for your customer, it just makes other people who followed Yamaha's protocol wait longer.
I personally have no horse in this race. I just wanted you to know why people get upset about it, because we HAVE had dealers lie to us in the past about these issues.
Holy CRAP! Is this a real offer? Dang-it, man, I'll take the whole lot!!!! $22,000 and change for 20 bikes is the deal of the century!The owner is willing to take a loss of 11,800 for the bike. No other fee's. No setup.. no freight.. just tax and 57.33 for the title. I figured with all the reviews that bike would have done very well.
Et ain'a gonna werk. We's all up to figgerin' yer tricks, TWN. En bee'-sides, them thar merdersickles cain't be registered en Kaliforney, ennyhow!Holy CRAP! Is this a real offer? Dang-it, man, I'll take the whole lot!!!! $22,000 and change for 20 bikes is the deal of the century!The owner is willing to take a loss of 11,800 for the bike. No other fee's. No setup.. no freight.. just tax and 57.33 for the title. I figured with all the reviews that bike would have done very well.
sorry for not being clear about it. i didn't give a rats ass about a personal opinion on sales interest in one dealership. i didn't even respond until you hit the site with a shotgun pattern of comments about how your dealership tried to "work" the PdP system. If a franchise dealership is willing the violate the terms of the PdP defined by the Mfgr, what else will they do?See the problem is this. I dont know what your complaining about.
go back and read the replies again. a single-shop warranty means jack to people who ride touring bikes. what will the dealership do when someone breaks down in AZ, NV, TX, FL, or anywhere other than a short tow from their shop? Will they pay another Yamaha dealership back for out-of-warranty repairs needed to get back on the road? it impacts when any YES contract has to be bought (within the first 12 months of the OEM contract - how many of your customers missed that oportunity because they thought they had a factory warranty for 12 months from the date of delivery). it also takes coverage off the end of a YES for any time between delivery to the dealership and purchase by the customer.If its the Warranty and we already stated that any FJR1300 bought from Chicago Cycle has a 12 month warranty on it from date of purchase. Its a statement that I can stand behind from the owner of the Company.
You REALLY gonna give 'em away? If so, the first one's mine - I'll have to arrange shipping though. You'll have a credit card when I get your contact details. Maybe I'll pay you storage and ride it up when it warms up in about 8 weeks . . . and I have to arrange export documentation, which means a letter of certification from Yamaha that the recalls have been done.You know what gets me. I have 20 2006 Silver AE's in stock right now. I cant give the things away. The owner is willing to take a loss of 11,800 for the bike. No other fee's. No setup.. no freight.. just tax and 57.33 for the title. I figured with all the reviews that bike would have done very well.
Don't let them charge you TT&L either, since you're from out of state, they waive that and give you a Certificate of Origin and a Bill of Sale. You then deal with TT&L in your home state.You REALLY gonna give 'em away? If so, the first one's mine - I'll have to arrange shipping though. You'll have a credit card when I get your contact details. Maybe I'll pay you storage and ride it up when it warms up in about 8 weeks . . . and I have to arrange export documentation, which means a letter of certification from Yamaha that the recalls have been done.You know what gets me. I have 20 2006 Silver AE's in stock right now. I cant give the things away. The owner is willing to take a loss of 11,800 for the bike. No other fee's. No setup.. no freight.. just tax and 57.33 for the title. I figured with all the reviews that bike would have done very well.
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It may have benefitted the 2006 buyers, but, what does it do for the 2007 buyers? I haven't heard you say that the original poster was incorrect in that you 'won't be getting any 07As because the FJR market is drying up'. Where is the benefit for the 2007 buyer if you don't have one on your floor to see/feel/touch? If you don't have any in, then you don't give buyers a chance to buy and you don't give your salesmen a chance to sell. With a shop of that size, it surprises me that you wouldn't get 1 to put on the floor.Chicago Cycle worked around the PDP program for one reason.. the consumer. So the consumer had the chance to touch, feel, and test ride the bike before they purchased it. Many dealerships did the same thing. Why so the consumer could see the bike before they purchased it.
This is benifiting you guys. Why would a consumer worry about a dealership working around a PDP from with Yamaha. This gives the consumer a better chance to get a better deal then paying full retail price.
Hey, screw you! I have first dibs! :grin:You REALLY gonna give 'em away? If so, the first one's mine - I'll have to arrange shipping though. You'll have a credit card when I get your contact details. Maybe I'll pay you storage and ride it up when it warms up in about 8 weeks . . . and I have to arrange export documentation, which means a letter of certification from Yamaha that the recalls have been done.You know what gets me. I have 20 2006 Silver AE's in stock right now. I cant give the things away. The owner is willing to take a loss of 11,800 for the bike. No other fee's. No setup.. no freight.. just tax and 57.33 for the title. I figured with all the reviews that bike would have done very well.
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