How My Risk Equation Has Changed

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Hans - I know you're the analytical type and I can relate to your graphs, I give you a Stanford B+.

My grading reasoning:

Very high level charts for executive management. I need the Harvard Business Review details please.

Your Inherent Risk cylinder has increased dramatically although it may not be of statistical significant, and without reason for the perceived increase. Your residual risk also increased without explanation.

On the serious side Hans, I respect what you choose and I'm sure you'll fill your time with many other great things, like pursuing your love of family and art. There isn't enough time for family, so we make it count.

Stay connected here and keep us all in line.

 
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Screw all that.....just start taking heavy doses of LSD and hang out on the forum.

 
Screw all that.....just start taking heavy doses of LSD and hang out on the forum.
Here Here! The man does live and work near BerZerkley, after all!

Friday, only one day away!
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After looking at the risk chart at the top of this post the piece missing for me is the reward I get from riding. If the risk is greater than the reward it is time to hanging it up. Best wishes to you what every you decide.

My father and his father has/had dementia - it sucks. My dad entered a nursing home for good about 3 months ago. Death is certain. The only uncertainty is how we choose to live. I fear ending up in a nursing home staring at the ceiling lights.

Bust your comments on different pace/ style of riding hit home. I ride at my pace and in my style and ride solo more often than not. I find this very relaxing; it allows me space to do what I enjoy. Working at a large aerospace firm in Seattle, my working days are scheduled to the hilt so riding gets me out of my scheduled environment.

 
Hans, my friend, as many before have pointed out, it's a decision only you can make. Just like I've said, in life regarding recreation or work, if it isn't fun anymore, find something else that is. We both know, (all too well) that life is so precious and can be taken from us, as we know it or permanently in an instant.

The BITS ride is unfinished business for us so when you feel the need, give me a call and you can horse around on my SuperMoto up here on 49 and I'll cavort on my FJR to keep you from having too much fun!

Take care my friend and keep in touch...... now where was that article you wrote about everyone in the hospital seeing your private parts...?

 
Wow. Really? Full stop cold turkey?

I can respect your decision, but only hope I never have to make that kind of choice.

I figure I'll ride until I can't physically hold a bike up... But then I'll look at side cars and trikes.

But like gear, everyone has to make their own choice on the level they feel comfortable with. If riding a bike itself has moved out of your comfort zone than by all means stop.

Good luck to you.

 
Hans needs tough love, not all this pussy-footing gerrymandering, sensitive stuff.....

Hans, tomorrow is Friday, mi amigo! :lol:

 
A man's got to know his limitations. Said Clint Eastwood. He also said "turn right, clyde" to his pet orangutan so I wouldn't go getting too philosophical about the first part.

Hans, I don't think all the charts and factors are going to help you rationalize your decision anymore than the feedback on this forum. When you get on that bike and head out on the road, you have to have absolute confidence that you can do it. The only fear is that little bit you need that keeps you alert and stops you from doing the stupid stuff.

Carry any more fear or doubt, and you are right to take a break. It is bad enough that most of drivers out there are clueless, careless, or worse, impaired. They absolutely are out to kill you. You clearly don't need your doubts adding to the inherent challenge of riding. If it don't feel right, it ain't right.

Not sure I'd let a case of heebie jeebies completely stop me. There's always the dirt, where crashing is expected and less severe. A year of solid dirt riding might just get your doubts erased about the street. There is also track riding. You've not some nice tracks near your, and a nice 250 or 600 bike would keep the smile on your face.

Just don't go over-thinking it. If you want to chew on charts to get you to a decision, the data suggest you are more apt to hurt yourself riding due to your error. Think on that before doing something rash, like quitting cold turkey, because of some unquantifiable risk.

There is a still a whole lot of fun to be had on two wheels without the daily risks of commuting.

 
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Whoa, deja vu all over again!! I feel like we already had this discussion a while ago.
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Your increasing inherent risk has quite a few contributing factors, the very largest of which is exactly what "riding a motorcycle" means to you.

I know from your past posts that you (at least used to) like commuting and lane splitting in the heavy traffic of the Bay area. You've said before that you found this type of riding exhilarating and it made you feel alive. Most rational people would find it terrifying. If the definition of "riding" was synonymous with "commuting" in traffic I would be joining you on the quitters bandwagon.

It makes me wonder, has the inherent risk really increased? Or is it just your perception of that risk that has become greater? You've shown that your tolerance for it has decreased, which certainly suggests the latter.

Can you reduce the actual risk of riding further? Absolutely, just by choosing the time and place that you choose to ride, and especially adjusting your own frame of mind when you do. Would riding at a leisurely pace through the countryside without all of the adrenaline rush of constant near death experiences make riding seem less attractive? Only you can answer that one.

 
Hans needs tough love, not all this pussy-footing gerrymandering, sensitive stuff.....

Hans, tomorrow is Friday, mi amigo!
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If our Hans is comfortable with his decision then more power to him, since I enjoy talking to him and listening to him I certainly hope he stays on the FJR Forum and continues to attend West Coast Forum Events.

But I keep coming back to what Fontanaman, Spud, Fred W, Bugnatr and so many others have said about motorcycling: The Reward of a Day's riding is the greatest thing on Earth, that riding Reward is so Special!

 
Those kind of decisions are huge and everybody will have to walk that walk themselves. For me there would be the limitation, that I physically cannot pursue my hobby bike riding anymore, and since we've got trikes, narrows that down too.

I get the concept of residual risk and its comparisons vs. the missing part of reward, yet the only way I can mitigate it is to not do something at all. Hans said it right, good mitigation's to bike riding's residual risk is education, education and more education. I go for at least two classes per year, apart from my affiliations with a bike riding club and our befriended drill team of WA. The more I have experienced various situation, the better I can respond to it. My take on bike riding was always, I need to maintain a decent level of respect for the matter, having grown now 46 years old has at least manifested, that I indeed think of risk, which before passing the 40's age line actually never truly did happen. All matters are relative, I had in my life as a vehicle operator a few encounters of the third kind and I made it my way to face my fear and turn it in to respect. Not even my Hummer protects me from the ignorance of lane crossing fellow cagers to say the least.

Hans and his decision is a big one and I can only wish him well in his quest, for me is a life without a bike a boring one and even the Russian movie as shared earlier in the week won't make me walk away from my bikes, I need that wind in my face!! The last frontier in which the corporate world hasn't been able to intrude for good!! Because my company knows, I'm on my bike and hell will have to freeze over, before I Bluetooth my crackberry to my intercom system.

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Because my company knows, I'm on my bike and hell will have to freeze over, before I Bluetooth my crackberry to my intercom system.
I can certainly relate to what you say, but when you have your crackberry paired through your intercom it can open up a whole bunch of new riding time for you. Besides, you don't have to answer it. ;)

PS - Sorry for the goofed up initial reply

 
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Speaking for myself-I think I would feel awful stupid if someday I find myself lying in bed dying of nothing..And in the words of the inimitable HST-better to be shot out of a canon than squeezed out of a tube..

 
JB - In the end, you will decide what works for you and most of us will respect that.

For me, FredW said it all best.

I rode everywhere for 10 years. 20-40k a year, fun rides, trips and commuting every day. Around 1993 I had a couple of incidents where people tried much harder than normal to kill me while commuting to work in a high density environment. Riding stopped being fun and became a high stress, high risk activity. I did what you no doubt have done and spent some time thinking about it while still riding.

Then I sold the bike and bought a Miata. The Miata was fun, I did the group thing, joined the local club and let myself become a bit more social. But every Spring, hearing a bike go by would make me long for riding again. I did track days an autoX in the Miata, but still missed riding. I did this for ten years. The Miata thing transitioned when I bought a house and sold the car for more down payment. I bought another, but it wasn't the high performance of the one I had sold, just a beater to have some fun with. In the end, it became just a small car that was ok on gas and not that great a commuter.

Then one day I realized I still missed riding. A friend was returning to riding after 40 years and it got me thinking more about what I did to relax and have fun. I realized that list was pretty short. I thought about what I liked most from riding and what I liked least and realized that I liked going places on the bike. Seeing things from that perspective, being part of the world, not just traveling thru it enclosed in a cage.

So I bought another bike. What I decided was to change my riding environment though. No commuting. I only ride for fun. My fun might not be your fun, but the point is that my choice removed me from the high density traffic and combat commuting that was the root of what caused me to stop riding before. Sure, there will always be traffic, but not every day, twice a day, at the exact worst times to be mixed in with distracted drivers.

Ask yourself if you enjoy riding, or enjoy the rush. If the latter, move on to something else. But if you enjoy riding, stop commuting and consider learning to ride The Pace. It's not slow, but it is different from the brake in throttle out method. Learn to be patient. If you aren't so focused on getting somewhere on time, you don't need to perform all the aggressive moves you're accustomed to doing. You may feel those moves are under your control, but they always increased your risk margin, both by putting yourself in places drivers didn't always expect you to be, and by pissing off other drivers, (justified or not). You used to find all that traffic cutting fun, but it still increased your risks by a large margin over a non-commute ride that didn't need them.

Oh, the friend? He and I spent several years riding together. We saw a lot of the country and had a lot of fun times together. He sold his bike last year and retired, heading in other directions. I'm still riding as much as ever, but with different partners, mostly my wife.

 
Hans, I certainly understand what you're thinking. 90% of my riding is commuting, and I have thought about packing it in on occasion after a particularly bad commute. Be happy, and good luck whichever way you end up.

BTW, aren't you supposed to give a speech or something at next year's Gatherning of the Clan's...?

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I have brainwashed my daughters, if you walked up to them on the street and asked what is the number one rule they would answer "stay dry". Although Erin might stab you before you got too close.
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The number two rule is "if it doesn't feel right, don't do it."

Hans is experiencing the number two rule and should heed the feeling.

 
Hans -- OCfjr just nailed it, far more eloquently than I could have. But THAT is exactly what I have always felt about the difference between where you've been riding and where I've been riding (though we live less than 2 hours apart).

 
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