Mom: "Motorcycle killed my son"

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Gosh, maybe someone should help her with her facts and tell her that bike would really get to 60 in 2.5 seconds?

..... OK, that was tasteless. This thread is not funny. It is an absolute shame, but this is America, and freedom is what we demand. With freedom comes responsibility. Without responsibility, comes tragic results.

-BD

 
Stop being so damn politically correct, people. This was just another case of Darwinism in action.

Just because Mom published her anguish does not release her from her responsibility over the previous 18 years.

I shed no tears. Maybe some other squid will learn and live.

 
I hope She has all Her families vehicles governed so nothing else happens speed related. Another case of more dollars than sense. Testosterone is tough to handle when your young, but to blame anything but her son is pretty lame.

 
....What kind of deranged person would willingly take a picture of WC's arse?
RenoJohn.... one twisted-up ****, there. 'Nuff said. :lol: :lol: :lol:
well, guilty on all counts.
I was looking to enter WC in the "Wild Nevada" "Tramp Stamp" competition

Surprise to me, WC has no Tramp Stamp as of yet ...apparently waiting for the scratch-and-sniff technology to be made available for such.

For those of you not familiar with what a tramp stamp is ..example pic can be found on the "mom" at the focus of this thread here (clicky))

 
Tragic for all that the son didn't live through learning to have judgement and make decisions. Part of growing up is being exposed to all sorts of hazards and learning to reign yourself in. Don't touch that stove, don't hit that bridge with the car, etc.

Like anybody, the mother needs to work through her five stages of grief. (Wiki explanation) She got stuck in the first one for 11 months and looks to be in a major anger phase. Counseling would probably do her a world of good. Too bad this is playing out in such a public manor, like a wildfire, damaging anybody who gets in the way.

 
Testosterone is tough to handle when your young, but to blame anything but her son is pretty lame.
I understand her blaming everyone - she's grief stricken and just trying to cope - my issue is with the irresponsibility of the reporter, the editor in chief and the newspaper for publishing such a one-sided and inflammatory story. They could have easily written the story so it got their "emotional" point across but also educated and informed the general public about bikes in general and what the mother is referring to specifically.

In my opinion, *that's* what we should be focused on, not the (completely) understandable grief of a mother who has lost her son.

 
Very tragic story. Only gov't control is not an answer. When they outlaw guns/crotch rockets etc. only outlaws will have........and where's the responsibility factor in where one buys a liter+ bike or even smaller that will do high rates of speed? Is it the buyer, the dealer, government? I believe its the buyer's "responsibility" and common sense and the dealer's "common sense" to help in making the right choice when purchasing an item like this. We don't need more regulations. Just my $.02 worth. PM. <><

 
I was raised in a "no street bikes till your out of the house" setting. They (mainly mom) let my older brother have a sports car but, no bike for me.

Dirt bikes were ok for some reason. Looking back on things I would say playing in the dirt was far more dangerous for me. Its funny the way people think, I could carry a rifle and go hunting, snow ski, snomobile etc.. but, street bikes were too dangerous???

The government making a required test system at multiple levels before you get your Busa could only help save the idiots of America..... Then again there are way to many squid types around anyway...... :)

Being a parent and protecting your own children with some balanced and real education based on facts helps. Each child is different.

 
I find it interesting that folks think that laws can create common sense and maturity in a person. This is like asking society or the government to be the parents and not the..well...parents. I see this as a case in which the woman is upset that she may not have instilled more of a sense of responsibility in her son than she should have and is trying to find someone else that should have taken the job. As stated before-very sad and unfortunate event.

 
This reminds me of another story . . . . . . .

Mother mourns lost son, battles against speedy motorcycles

By ART BUKOWSKI, Argus-Press Staff Writer

Friday, May 25, 2007 10:03 AM EDT

VERNON TWP. - Like many mothers, Donna Simons spent a lot of time worrying. Simons grew very concerned when her son, Jon Simons, came home with a 2003 Kawasaki motorcycle last summer. In her mind the bike was a death trap, a device built for speed that could only spell disaster for Jon.

“I said a prayer every time he got on that bike,” said Simons. She felt Jon, 21, would not obey the laws of the road - like many young drivers, she knew he probably felt invincible. “Jon was a kid that was no-fear,” she said. “He was a free spirit.”

On Aug. 6, Jon was southbound on Grand River Road near Bancroft when he went into a ditch, hit a driveway and launched into the air. He traveled more than 100 feet through the air on the bike before smashing into a tree 25 feet above the ground. Jon was thrown from the bike and killed, and the bike itself remained wedged in a tree. Shiawassee County Sheriff's Department accident investigators later determined that Jon was traveling about 120 mph at the time of the crash - more than twice the speed limit.

He had a type of motorcycle commonly referred to as a “crotch-rocket” - relatively light in build and capable of reaching very high rates of speed in a short period.

Simons was obviously shattered by the loss, and the hurt will never completely subside. “You lose all joy,” she said. “I wake up every day of my life, and it's like, I just can't believe it.”

Crotch-rocket style bikes - usually called “sport bikes” by the industry - are the object of great enthusiasm and a target of much derision, depending on who you ask. Critics say they encourage speeding and dangerous tricks, but dealers, owners and others say the bikes are perfectly safe, provided they are driven responsibly.

Sgt. Mike Gute of the Sheriff's Department said the bikes are built for speed, which can encourage drivers to test the limits. “There's definitely that thrill with these bikes,” said Gute, the accident reconstructionist who investigated Jon's crash. “These bikes are built to go 150, 180 mph, and there's just no reason for that.” Gute said the bikes also put police in a difficult situation when it comes to enforcement. Because they travel so fast, they can outrun most police cruisers - and engaging in a high-speed chase is not always the best solution, especially if the biker crashes during the pursuit. “It's a catch-22 for us,” he said. “Are we going to be looked at as the one that caused this?”

Mix the power of the bikes with the age of people most interested in them - a typically younger crowd - and the situation becomes worse. Inexperience combined with a feeling of invincibility and desire to stand out can quickly lead to tragedy, police say. Sgt. Doug Chapman of the Sheriff's Department said he stops sport bikers frequently, many of them young. He tells them about the dangers of speed and recklessness, but he knows the warning doesn't always stick. “They think they're invincible, but they're not,” he said. “But how you drill that into a young mind, I don't know.”

Despite the potential risk, many law enforcement officers don't want to outlaw the bikes. Gute, for one, thinks riders need to use their heads and drive safe. “If you're going to own something like that, you have to keep it under control,” he said. “You've got to use common sense.”

Tom Bodenbach, general manager of Michigan Honda in Caledonia Township, said safety is always stressed to riders who purchase bikes at his shop, and they are encouraged to obtain lessons if necessary. Still, a salesman can't remain with the rider forever, and the store has only so much control over what a rider does. “We don't control the throttle once it leaves here,” he said. Bodenbach suggested people sometimes put too much blame on the type of vehicle, pointing out that riders can get injured in almost anything. “It's just like any other vehicle that's sold,” he said. “If someone gets into a Corvette and (speeds and crashes), do you hear people crying to ban Corvettes?”

Jon did not purchase his bike from Michigan Honda.

Dean Thompson, spokesperson for the Irvine, Calif.-based Motorcycle Safety Foundation, said the risk of injury on a motorcycle lies with the rider, not the bike. “You're really looking at behavior and choices, and behavior is a hard thing to regulate,” he said. “I think you have to look at the individual rather than the product.”

Even in the case of high-performing sport bikes, Thompson said the level of danger still lies with the rider. “That person is going to take whatever risks he feels comfortable taking, regardless of the product,” he said.

Simons acknowledges that her son was driving well over the speed limit when he crashed, but that doesn't mean she's made peace with the bike. She aims to push for a change in regulations - among other things, she's upset that a driver in the state of Michigan doesn't need a motorcycle endorsement on their license to purchase a motorcycle, a fact confirmed by Bodenbach - and she would even like to see sport bikes removed from the roads. “I knew that I didn't like the bike, but I didn't realize the power,” she said. “From zero to 100 in seconds - that scares me.”

Jon was also able to obtain a loan for his bike despite Simons and her husband refusing to co-sign, and Simons would like to see changes in lending regulations. “My words were that they were death traps - case closed,” she said. “If I would have thought there was a chance of him being financed, I would have done everything I could to stop the sale.”

 
nothing we could say will help a grieving parent over the senseless and tragic closs of their son - especially on a motorcycle.

When I was in junior high one of the senior boys died while riding his Yamaha 350 - it happened it front of a carload of his friends. His dad took a cutting torch and cut the bike in pieces.

Did I forget to mention the boy died when the bike crashed - while standing up on the saddle and showing off - at 45 mph - while on a gravel road - and when riding wearing nothing but a pair of shorts and thongs?

And it was the bikes fault.

 
As stated by others, we already know he was going waaaay tooo fast for the circumstance [sounds like a neighborhood setting also]. I didn't however pick-up anything in the dialogue about the presence or absence of two critical items? Booze[or other drugs] & helmet/safety gear? If either of the former were present, or either of the latter were absent; then as sympathetic as I am with the mothers grief, I don't want to hear anything about the bike killing him.

 
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The other flaw in the "outlaw crotch rockets" campaign is that, they say that they should be outlawed because they are "capable of going too fast". So, once those are outlawed, then what is next? Where does one draw the line as to what capability is safe and what isn't. Who decides that?

A friggen 50cc skooter will run double the speed limit (in a 25 mph school zone).

My Gawd... think of the little chill'rens!! :blink:

 
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Turning this thread toward something each of us can do...

We're coming into the season when the statistics about the summer accidents get compiled and potential regulations get drafted. The Insurance Institute and a few others for years have tried on both the Federal and State levels to fight against sport bikes and m/c with more than lame amounts of power. Since we all own 145/127 hp machines, we'd probably all be affected by this and I'm sure we all already have the same dim viewpoint on the need for such regs. I'm putting this in this thread, becasue these are the stories and surviving family members who they use to carry their banners.

THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL THREAD, SO DON'T MAKE IT ONE!!!

My point is this and it really needs no response here:

[SIZE=14pt]Be attentive for the start of drafting such rules.[/SIZE] If you hear of something, let both the AMA know both at HQ in Pickering Ohio, and the person lobbying for them in your State. These types of rules have been proposed and lost for years, but only because people have been willing to speak out about how mis-guided they are. It has to be done by each of us as individuals.

Bob

 
Momentary hijack - Who's the guy with his head up WC's caboose?

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Let this be a lesson - don't piss of WC. Oh sh*t...did I just do exactly that?

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

 
Turning this thread toward something each of us can do...
We're coming into the season when the statistics about the summer accidents get compiled and potential regulations get drafted. The Insurance Institute and a few others for years have tried on both the Federal and State levels to fight against sport bikes and m/c with more than lame amounts of power. Since we all own 145/127 hp machines, we'd probably all be affected by this and I'm sure we all already have the same dim viewpoint on the need for such regs. I'm putting this in this thread, becasue these are the stories and surviving family members who they use to carry their banners.

THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL THREAD, SO DON'T MAKE IT ONE!!!

My point is this and it really needs no response here:

[SIZE=14pt]Be attentive for the start of drafting such rules.[/SIZE] If you hear of something, let both the AMA know both at HQ in Pickering Ohio, and the person lobbying for them in your State. These types of rules have been proposed and lost for years, but only because people have been willing to speak out about how mis-guided they are. It has to be done by each of us as individuals.

Bob
My guess is, A.B.A.T.E. would lobby FOR laws restricting horsepower, acceleration and top speed. At least Montana A.B.A.T.E probably would. When the Legislature here debated imposing a numerical speed limit over the (at the time) existing "reasonable and prudent" speed law, A.B.A.T.E. testified in favor of imposing numerical speed limits (which law passed, of course). They would likely lobby for horsepower limited to whatever an Evo Big Twin makes, would lobby for a horsepower-to-weight limit that mirrors Harleys, and would (and do) lobby against laws requiring helmets and mufflers. See, these "nonconformists" would like the rest of the motorcycle world to conform to their preferences, from what I have seen. I quit A.B.A.T.E. after 15 years of membership about 18 years ago when it became all too apparent they were prejudiced against all makes (and riders) not HD. Last summer, during Evel Knievel Days here, A.B.A.T.E. had a booth and was selling raffle tickets. An organization rep asked me if I wanted to buy a ticket. I asked, "Do you still hate Jap bikes?" The guy responded incredulously, "Of course!"

I didn't buy a ticket.

 
Momentary hijack - Who's the guy with his head up WC's caboose?

Let this be a lesson - don't piss of WC. Oh sh*t...did I just do exactly that?

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

Damn, I didn't even catch that in the original pic. Now that's funny. You talk about some major *** kissing. :dribble: :dribble: :D :D

 
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