Mom: "Motorcycle killed my son"

[radman]

Only 5 are my biological's..... the other 3 were absorbed in the merger.

So, is the FBI investigating you too then?

 

[cougar8000]

As a father of eight children, I feel for her tragedy. A pity. Totally preventable. However.... she is totally in the wrong here.

Did you really expected anything else from the woman that lost her son and has no first hand knowledge about motorcycling? It is Friday and all, but you are surprising me here.

 

[sonicspeed]

So WC, is eight truly enough?

Only 5 are my biological's..... the other 3 were absorbed in the merger.

and WHEN exactly do you have time to ride???? :lol:

 

[johnny80s]

I am more interested in Warchild and his 8 kids than this thread. Now I don't know Mr. Warchild except through his posts but I have seen some pictures of him. With that mug I am shocked that he has 8 kids.

Would you do it with this man?

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[monk69]

I am so sorry to hear of her son's death. I wish there was a way to go back in time,and tell her she needs to pay attention to what her responsibility is,when rearing a child,and to look into what the laws are for driving cars,or bikes before allowing her son to ride one.My heart goes out to Her for not taking the time to make sure her son took a motorcycle safety class,and getting the proper licenses and endorsements.Just like the laws that are out,in a lot of reasonable states,that don't allow kids out at night with more than one other passenger,till a certain age.Though,I'm somewhat confused about her concern of there not being any regulations,governing the speed of crotch rockets,and other big motor cars,and bikes,as there "are"laws on the books about speeding,and not looking back over the shoulder(which the law says is reckless driving),and there are governors on cars and bikes to regulate the speed of the motor.I can see where she might think that her son may not have gotten killed if the bike was governed to 70 miles an hour,unfortunately her son would of just as likely been killed doing 55.I'm also sorry she doesn't have the facts correct about her sons lack of control of any bike(which he would have known had he taken the class ,that you don't lay the bike down you keep it up and use the brakes and/or quick steering abilities that a bike has ).

Being a Father myself,with grand kids getting out of college.I feel her grief.I am so happy that I took the time to make sure all of my children took driving,and motorcycle class,gun safety classes,and hunting classes,and that,I, myself took the time to check on my children,and be sure they where doing what they were told to do,from the classes they took,and I took as well.

But,in all my grief for her,and her son.I would have to take the tough love road,and say that it's not anyone's responsibility outside the family's that their children act in a responsible manner.

I just hope She has learned from this,so as not to let the rest of her children follow in her eldest sons fate,and not delegate her responsibly to someone else ,and to do what she needs to do to control her children's fate.

 

[Warchild]

Did you really expected anything else from the woman that lost her son and has no first hand knowledge about motorcycling? It is Friday and all, but you are surprising me here.

You are so missing the point.

I pray for the mom that she will in time understand what really happened.... her son made a very bad decision for just a few seconds... game over.

In the end, the mother is reaching for anything to make it not her son's fault that he is dead. Her actions are normal. No one wants to think of a loved one like that. Unfortunately she has decided that his actions were all sound and it was the motorcycle that was the problem. That has started her on a "crusade" to ruin something we all love by trying to get government to legislate stupidity out of society.

Grief does a fine job of blinding people from the truth.... obviously, its the motorcycle's fault. It has a brain of its own and made him go that fast and then turn his head to look back at friends.

 

[Randy]

Did you really expected anything else from the woman that lost her son and has no first hand knowledge about motorcycling? It is Friday and all, but you are surprising me here.

You are so missing the point.

I pray for the mom that she will in time understand what really happened.... her son made a very bad decision for just a few seconds... game over.

In the end, the mother is reaching for anything to make it not her son's fault that he is dead. Her actions are normal. No one wants to think of a loved one like that. Unfortunately she has decided that his actions were all sound and it was the motorcycle that was the problem. That has started her on a "crusade" to ruin something we all love by trying to get government to legislate stupidity out of society.

Grief does a fine job of blinding people from the truth.... obviously, its the motorcycle's fault. It has a brain of its own and made him go that fast and then turn his head to look back at friends.

With all due respect my fellow bald one, and i hope i can say this without it being closed for going political because i am not stating political comments, only my interpretation of her comments, i don't read it as her blaming the motorcycle. I read it as her blaming the government for not having laws that require a governor on the bike (I bet her car doesn't have one), not requiring bike shops to validate motorcycle licenses (I bet she doesn't have to show a drivers license when she buys a car), and allowing bike bike manufacturers to sell bikes that go over 120 mph (I bet her car does).

I agree that she is looking to find fault in every place except for the very place where the fault lies.

 

[Warchild]

I read it as her blaming the government for not having laws that require a governor on the bike (I bet her car doesn't have one)

I'll bet her car doesn't have one either.... but my motorcycle does.

Pretty much every modern motorcycle has a rev limiter. Every major literbike+ has a manufacturer's ECU governor restricting the top speed (albeit 186mph).

I agree that she is looking to find fault in every place except for the very place where the fault lies.

Precisely.

 

[Braenen]

All kidding aside, this woman needs counciling. Now.

In fact, anyone who spends 11 months locked in their home for ANY reason needs professional help. If you know anyone who is like this, get them the help they need. This is a clear warning sign of someone who is suicidal.

This woman appears to have put off suicide for now and gone on the crusade. Once her furvor has been spent she will be in danger again.

I hope she gets the help she needs.

 

[Big Sky]

Typical response from a grieving and guilt-ridden parent - it's about atonement.

"I can't bring Max back but I can improve society in his name and honor, and can perhaps prevent other parents from knowing my pain. If it saves just one life..." yadda, yadda.

She has already collared the sympathetic press looking for the emotional sensation; next she will start lobbying and it will be called "Max's Law."

I have a 23-year-old son who I introduced to motorcycles. That is a very difficult choice to make (my brother is getting two of his sons started now). I have over and over ad nauseum stressed safety. That's all we can do. The potential joy is worth the potential risk, IMO.

I do feel terribly for her. But it wasn't the machine, it was the operator.

 

[Gerry.GEG]

No doubt sad, no sadder than the young person (18) who driving an older Ford Bronco II lost control coming down a hill I drive daily flipped the rig and smashed into a rock. Killed him. His family and friends have kept a memorial for him at this rock for 8 years. Truly tragic but speed kills not just on motorcycles.

Very sad when anyone dies especially young people due to their lack of judgement.

 

[Tenchi]

Everyone here is probably thinking the same thing: "You're responsible for your own safety", "that's why MSF courses exist", "OMG WC has 8 kids?!"... so anything I say on the whole general article won't add value to this topic.

“When I started to look into all of the facts, I found myself shocked and bewildered,” Martin said. “Max did not have a motorcycle endorsement on his license. When I realized it was Texas law that you have to have one to ride a bike, I wondered why it had not been enforced the day he bought the bike. I called the dealership and asked them about it. The salesman informed me that although it was state law, it was not the responsibility of the dealership to check.”

This part hit me especially hard. When I was out and about buying my gear before my MSF course, Aurora Suzuki in Seattle was one of the places we stopped. There on the showroom was one of only two Suzuki DL650 V-Strom's available in the state. The salesman walks over and sees me eyeing off the bike and assessing whether it was worth it. He then pushes to sell the bike to me, without asking what I'm looking for or whether I have my license - and when I explicitly stated I didn't have my license he said something along the lines of, "Don't worry about that, you can deal with that later." That salesman is why I refuse to buy anything from the store (I get service there because it's close but go elsewhere for parts).

 

[airboss]

Typical response from a grieving and guilt-ridden parent - it's about atonement.


I have a 23-year-old son who I introduced to motorcycles. That is a very difficult choice to make (my brother is getting two of his sons started now). I have over and over ad nauseum stressed safety. That's all we can do. The potential joy is worth the potential risk, IMO.

I do feel terribly for her. But it wasn't the machine, it was the operator.

Have to agree with Big Sky on this, my 30-something Daughter started riding, and she did MSF, she read the books, we did the parking lot practice, and she followed me around on the streets until she couldn't take it any more and took off on her own. Still I would be devastated if any thing happened to her, she is the youngest and still our baby girl, but blame the motorcycle..........I don't think so, we are responsible, we knew exactly what we where doing.

WOW! 8 kids :grin:

 

[HartClimbs]

After reading all of that, the primary thought in my mind is.....
"Holy ****, warchild fathered 8 kids!"

I'm not sure what to say about the article. Anything, in the wrong hands, can be deadly. I watched someone die because of misuse of a paper clip (swallowed it, perforated his small bowel, lead to peritonitis because he delayed seeking help, sepsis, then death). It returns back to user error. I couldn't argue against more education on safety before hopping on any scoot, regardless of size.

My 2 cents.

That's why we need warning labels on paperclips. Qtips should be classified as weapons of mass destruction.

Losing a child is horrible, but a 20 yr old is responsible for his own actions.

 

[Geezer]

Well, I guess it varies by state, but I don't need a license to buy a motor vehicle. I only need a license if I personally operate the vehicle on public roads.

 

[cougar8000]

Did you really expected anything else from the woman that lost her son and has no first hand knowledge about motorcycling? It is Friday and all, but you are surprising me here.

You are so missing the point.

I pray for the mom that she will in time understand what really happened.... her son made a very bad decision for just a few seconds... game over.

In the end, the mother is reaching for anything to make it not her son's fault that he is dead. Her actions are normal. No one wants to think of a loved one like that. Unfortunately she has decided that his actions were all sound and it was the motorcycle that was the problem. That has started her on a "crusade" to ruin something we all love by trying to get government to legislate stupidity out of society.

Grief does a fine job of blinding people from the truth.... obviously, its the motorcycle's fault. It has a brain of its own and made him go that fast and then turn his head to look back at friends.

With all due respect my fellow bald one, and i hope i can say this without it being closed for going political because i am not stating political comments, only my interpretation of her comments, i don't read it as her blaming the motorcycle. I read it as her blaming the government for not having laws that require a governor on the bike (I bet her car doesn't have one), not requiring bike shops to validate motorcycle licenses (I bet she doesn't have to show a drivers license when she buys a car), and allowing bike bike manufacturers to sell bikes that go over 120 mph (I bet her car does).

I agree that she is looking to find fault in every place except for the very place where the fault lies.

Exactly.

That is why I said what I said. She is looking to pass a blame and someone is helping her.

Just like people in project blame guns and police when their son that pulled a gun on the cop got killed. I think I just said too much. Crawling under the rock. Ya'll have a good evening.

 

[HotRodZilla]

I read that woman's article and all I see is: "Blah, blah, blah...Not my fault, not his fault, it must be the Government's fault, must be the motorcycle's fault...Blah, blah, blah."

On another note; 8 kids? Holy crap! No wonder he rides so many miles. It is the only place he can get any peace and quiet. :lol:

 

[wfooshee]

It reminds me very much of how my own mother would handle it.

Growing up, there was no talk of motorcycles, they were dangerous, you could be killed. There was no talk of guns, they were dangerous, you could be killed. Never did a more ignorant woman walk the face of the earth.

Her reaction on learning of my modest skill with firearms was, "Well, I tried to raise you right but you're old enough I can't tell you what to do any more."

I rode some, but somehow never owned a bike while she was alive. Yet in a smashing display of poetic justice the Feej was purchased with money I got from the sale of her house.

So I understand where this woman comes from. In her mind, it is the equipment that is dangerous, not the operator. It is the authorities who are irresponsible, not the operator. She did everything she could to protect her boy, yet he was still taken from her, and it's somebody's fault.

As for Dale's family; with all that riding, how did he find time to start the 5 of his own? How did he get close enough to somebody with 3 to set up shop with her? Or did he not know they were there?

 

[Fencer]

Only 5 are my biological's..... the other 3 were absorbed in the merger.

We all knew no-one would "do you" eight times :lol:

Would you do it with this man?

Everything else has been said about this article

 

[thompsonian]

Why hasn't anyone mentioned the fact of: What kind of deranged person would willingly take a picture of WC's arse?